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Srgt. Hulka · 02-15-2012, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Crusader

He probably could have been indicted for war crimes for civilians getting killed or abuse of prisoners and such things. But on the opposite side tha allied leaders probably could have been indicted too for the fire bombings of a number of german citys which mainly struck against civilians.

Originally Posted by SloMotion

... don't forget Hiroshima/Nagasaki ... if they'd go after any Axis/Allied leaders for civilian casualties, FDR would be on the hook for dropping those bombs.

It was NOT illegal in WWII to wage war on the civilian population of your enemy. It was a part of war, tragic as it may have been, it was a part of war. It was not illegal to wage war on civilians until 1949, after the 4th Geneva Convention. So no, the Allies could not be indicted for war crimes for fire bombing Berlin, Hamburg, Tokyo, and all the other Axis Power cities. And the United States could not be indicted on the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The fact that it was not illegal to wage war on civilian populations during WWII is the reason the war only lasted 4 years. Also, since we dropped "The Bomb" on Japan saved millions of Japanese and American lives. Can you imaging the death toll and how long it would have taken if we had to invade Japan and fight street to street, house to house along the length of the whole country against an enemy that did NOT know the word surrender? Also, with the current Geneva Convention in place, if we had to fight WWII today, the war would last at least 20 years or longer, cost trillions of dollars, and still end up with no winner. (Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan) And just wait, another World War is coming. It will be another "Crusade," The Christians, or non-Muslims, against the Muslims. It's inevitable. We can all see it on the horizon. I feel for our kids and grandkids for the future we've left them.

Fourth Geneva Convention
The Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, commonly referred to as the Fourth Geneva Convention and abbreviated as GCIV, is one of the four treaties of the Geneva Conventions. It was adopted in August 1949, and defines humanitarian protections for civilians in a war zone, and outlaws the practice of total war. There are currently 194 countries party to the 1949 Geneva Conventions, including this fourth treaty but also including the other three.[1]
In 1993, the United Nations Security Council adopted a report from the Secretary-General and a Commission of Experts which concluded that the Geneva Conventions had passed into the body of customary international law, thus making them binding on non-signatories to the Conventions whenever they engage in armed conflicts.[2]

SloMotion · 02-16-2012, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by Srgt. Hulka

And just wait, another World War is coming. It will be another "Crusade," The Christians, or non-Muslims, against the Muslims. It's inevitable. We can all see it on the horizon. I feel for our kids and grandkids for the future we've left them.

I didn't mean to imply FDR, Truman or the US was guilty of anything by dropping those bombs, and they were necessary, I was just using it as an example of how without the Holocaust, Hitler would have been no more a war criminal then the leader of any other belligerant country involved in WWII, none of whom were prosecuted for civilian deaths.

The largest population of muslim peoples outside of the Middle East is right here in Detroit ... some days I would agree with you, some days not, but I don't think we have the problems they do in Europe with the muslim population because American society acts as a unifier of people from many different cultures without asking them to give up their cultural indentities.

02-15-2012, 11:07 AM	#1
Srgt. Hulka 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shreveport, LA Posts: 4,417	Originally Posted by Crusader He probably could have been indicted for war crimes for civilians getting killed or abuse of prisoners and such things. But on the opposite side tha allied leaders probably could have been indicted too for the fire bombings of a number of german citys which mainly struck against civilians. Originally Posted by SloMotion ... don't forget Hiroshima/Nagasaki ... if they'd go after any Axis/Allied leaders for civilian casualties, FDR would be on the hook for dropping those bombs. It was NOT illegal in WWII to wage war on the civilian population of your enemy. It was a part of war, tragic as it may have been, it was a part of war. It was not illegal to wage war on civilians until 1949, after the 4th Geneva Convention. So no, the Allies could not be indicted for war crimes for fire bombing Berlin, Hamburg, Tokyo, and all the other Axis Power cities. And the United States could not be indicted on the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The fact that it was not illegal to wage war on civilian populations during WWII is the reason the war only lasted 4 years. Also, since we dropped "The Bomb" on Japan saved millions of Japanese and American lives. Can you imaging the death toll and how long it would have taken if we had to invade Japan and fight street to street, house to house along the length of the whole country against an enemy that did NOT know the word surrender? Also, with the current Geneva Convention in place, if we had to fight WWII today, the war would last at least 20 years or longer, cost trillions of dollars, and still end up with no winner. (Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan) And just wait, another World War is coming. It will be another "Crusade," The Christians, or non-Muslims, against the Muslims. It's inevitable. We can all see it on the horizon. I feel for our kids and grandkids for the future we've left them. Fourth Geneva Convention The Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, commonly referred to as the Fourth Geneva Convention* and abbreviated as GCIV, is one of the four* treaties of the Geneva Conventions. It was adopted in August 1949, and defines humanitarian protections for civilians in a war zone, and outlaws the practice of total war. There are currently 194 countries party to the 1949 Geneva Conventions, including this fourth treaty but also including the other three.[1] In 1993, the United Nations Security Council adopted a report from the Secretary-General and a Commission of Experts which concluded that the Geneva Conventions had passed into the body of customary international law, thus making them binding on non-signatories to the Conventions whenever they engage in armed conflicts.[2]
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02-16-2012, 07:38 AM	#2
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Originally Posted by Srgt. Hulka And just wait, another World War is coming. It will be another "Crusade," The Christians, or non-Muslims, against the Muslims. It's inevitable. We can all see it on the horizon. I feel for our kids and grandkids for the future we've left them. I didn't mean to imply FDR, Truman or the US was guilty of anything by dropping those bombs, and they were necessary, I was just using it as an example of how without the Holocaust, Hitler would have been no more a war criminal then the leader of any other belligerant country involved in WWII, none of whom were prosecuted for civilian deaths. The largest population of muslim peoples outside of the Middle East is right here in Detroit ... some days I would agree with you, some days not, but I don't think we have the problems they do in Europe with the muslim population because American society acts as a unifier of people from many different cultures without asking them to give up their cultural indentities.