Is Terrorism Real?

SloMotion · 06-05-2012, 04:59 PM

Well, they caught that 'underwear bomber' on a Northwest flight to Detroit, Christmas Day 2009, and there was a 'shoe bomber' that they caught also, right after 9/11 ... do those guys count as 'terrorists'? And they're still adding to all those guys down in Guantameno Bay, do they count as 'terrorists'? ... I think they've caught a few since 2001.

WhoDat!656 · 06-05-2012, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

Well, they caught that 'underwear bomber' on a Northwest flight to Detroit, Christmas Day 2009, and there was a 'shoe bomber' that they caught also, right after 9/11 ... do those guys count as 'terrorists'? And they're still adding to all those guys down in Guantameno Bay, do they count as 'terrorists'? ... I think they've caught a few since 2001.

You are forgetting that both of those terrorist got past security, boarded a plane and attempted to detonate their devices.

I think both of those nut jobs boarded aircraft outside of the USA, so the domestic TSA can't really be blamed for that.

As an Israli anti-terrorist expert pointed out, the next terrorist act will be like a backpack carried into a mall or other heavily-traficked public area and detonated.

As someone already pointed out in another thread, the domestic security system is 'reactionary' based, instead of aggresively looking for threats. Try flying out of an Israel and you will see what real airport security should be!! You won't get anywhere near a terminal without a thorugh screening of you, your papers, luggage.

SloMotion · 06-06-2012, 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

You are forgetting that both of those terrorist got past security, boarded a plane and attempted to detonate their devices.

I think both of those nut jobs boarded aircraft outside of the USA, so the domestic TSA can't really be blamed for that.

As an Israli anti-terrorist expert pointed out, the next terrorist act will be like a backpack carried into a mall or other heavily-traficked public area and detonated.

As someone already pointed out in another thread, the domestic security system is 'reactionary' based, instead of aggresively looking for threats. Try flying out of an Israel and you will see what real airport security should be!! You won't get anywhere near a terminal without a thorugh screening of you, your papers, luggage.

Yeah, that's true ... didn't think it through, but I think the point I was trying to make was to say they had caught a few 'terrorists'; ergo, 'terrorists' may exist ... I've been to Israel (before 9/11) and agree with you on Israeli security measures ... they don't mess around, and for good reason.

saintfan · 06-06-2012, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

Try flying out of an Israel and you will see what real airport security should be!! You won't get anywhere near a terminal without a thorugh screening of you, your papers, luggage.

I went to Europe when I was 16, and I recall armed guards in the terminals in Luxembourg. It was like trying to get in to Ft Polk when I was a kid and the 5th infantry was still there - it was a closed base with armed guards at the entrance. You stated your purpose and proved it or you got shot.

In both cases, you had to prove you were supposed to be there. I had no problem with it then and I have no problem with it now. I get the argument about giving up civil liberties and all. I really do.

But that's not your airport, and it's not your airplane, and there are other people to consider, so at least in my opinion, much like entering a 'closed' military base, when you decide you want to fly you give up a few civil liberties for the needs of the many. It pisses me off that everybody doesn't think that way...

06-05-2012, 06:48 PM	#2
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,086	Originally Posted by SloMotion Well, they caught that 'underwear bomber' on a Northwest flight to Detroit, Christmas Day 2009, and there was a 'shoe bomber' that they caught also, right after 9/11 ... do those guys count as 'terrorists'? And they're still adding to all those guys down in Guantameno Bay, do they count as 'terrorists'? ... I think they've caught a few since 2001. You are forgetting that both of those terrorist got past security, boarded a plane and attempted to detonate their devices. I think both of those nut jobs boarded aircraft outside of the USA, so the domestic TSA can't really be blamed for that. As an Israli anti-terrorist expert pointed out, the next terrorist act will be like a backpack carried into a mall or other heavily-traficked public area and detonated. As someone already pointed out in another thread, the domestic security system is 'reactionary' based, instead of aggresively looking for threats. Try flying out of an Israel and you will see what real airport security should be!! You won't get anywhere near a terminal without a thorugh screening of you, your papers, luggage.
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06-06-2012, 05:53 AM	#3
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 You are forgetting that both of those terrorist got past security, boarded a plane and attempted to detonate their devices. I think both of those nut jobs boarded aircraft outside of the USA, so the domestic TSA can't really be blamed for that. As an Israli anti-terrorist expert pointed out, the next terrorist act will be like a backpack carried into a mall or other heavily-traficked public area and detonated. As someone already pointed out in another thread, the domestic security system is 'reactionary' based, instead of aggresively looking for threats. Try flying out of an Israel and you will see what real airport security should be!! You won't get anywhere near a terminal without a thorugh screening of you, your papers, luggage. Yeah, that's true ... didn't think it through, but I think the point I was trying to make was to say they had caught a few 'terrorists'; ergo, 'terrorists' may exist ... I've been to Israel (before 9/11) and agree with you on Israeli security measures ... they don't mess around, and for good reason.

06-06-2012, 11:46 AM	#4
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 Try flying out of an Israel and you will see what real airport security should be!! You won't get anywhere near a terminal without a thorugh screening of you, your papers, luggage. I went to Europe when I was 16, and I recall armed guards in the terminals in Luxembourg. It was like trying to get in to Ft Polk when I was a kid and the 5th infantry was still there - it was a closed base with armed guards at the entrance. You stated your purpose and proved it or you got shot. In both cases, you had to prove you were supposed to be there. I had no problem with it then and I have no problem with it now. I get the argument about giving up civil liberties and all. I really do. But that's not your airport, and it's not your airplane, and there are other people to consider, so at least in my opinion, much like entering a 'closed' military base, when you decide you want to fly you give up a few civil liberties for the needs of the many. It pisses me off that everybody doesn't think that way... WhoDat!656 likes this.
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06-05-2012, 04:59 PM	#1
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Well, they caught that 'underwear bomber' on a Northwest flight to Detroit, Christmas Day 2009, and there was a 'shoe bomber' that they caught also, right after 9/11 ... do those guys count as 'terrorists'? And they're still adding to all those guys down in Guantameno Bay, do they count as 'terrorists'? ... I think they've caught a few since 2001.