What if?

dam1953 · 07-08-2013, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Kind of like human overpopulation consuming the environment. I think sometimes about what happened to ancient civilizations like the Mayans, was there really an Atlantis, and if diggers keep digging up ancient ruins what kind of plague will mankind be faced with, a lot of what if. The earth will take back one day what it wants with us here or not, that's evolution.

I think you hit on quite a few interesting facts/ideas. Numerous civilizations, some relatively advanced, have come and gone over the past 10,000 years. If the attached chart is reasonably accurate, modern man (Homo sapiens) has been around for at least 100,000 and possibly 500,000 years. Considering how far man has advanced in just the past 10,000 years, it would appear that there has been ample time for multiple advanced societies to rise and fall. Hence the opportunity for multiple Atlantises with remnants wiped away by time and the occasional meteorite.

As to your plague comment: I recently read that archeologists excavating graves from the Roman period came up with an interesting discovery. They were able to extract DNA from 19 sixth-century skeletal remains indicating that they had succumbed to "the plague". So, the Black Death of the 14th wasn't an isolated event. In fact, it may have been a major factor in the fall of the Roman Empire since a weakened population couldn't hold off the invading Huns.

SmashMouth · 07-08-2013, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by dam1953

I think you hit on quite a few interesting facts/ideas. Numerous civilizations, some relatively advanced, have come and gone over the past 10,000 years. If the attached chart is reasonably accurate, modern man (Homo sapiens) has been around for at least 100,000 and possibly 500,000 years. Considering how far man has advanced in just the past 10,000 years, it would appear that there has been ample time for multiple advanced societies to rise and fall. Hence the opportunity for multiple Atlantises with remnants wiped away by time and the occasional meteorite.

As to your plague comment: I recently read that archeologists excavating graves from the Roman period came up with an interesting discovery. They were able to extract DNA from 19 sixth-century skeletal remains indicating that they had succumbed to "the plague". So, the Black Death of the 14th wasn't an isolated event. In fact, it may have been a major factor in the fall of the Roman Empire since a weakened population couldn't hold off the invading Huns.

Good point ...

Huns - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Huns - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I just wonder if Attila might have been a Saints fan.

dam1953 · 07-08-2013, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Good point ... Huns - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I just wonder if Attila might have been a Saints fan.

Your comment had me reading the Wikipedia link about the Huns. It mentions that the "Huns may have stimulated the Great Migration, a contributing factor in the collapse of the western Roman Empire." Based upon recent DNA data linking the fall of the Roman Empire to an early occurrence of the plague, is it not possible that the "Great Migration" might have been the result of a pandemic, with people abandoning plague infested cities.

PS: Based upon the axiom that an enemy of my enemy is my friend, Attila was a Saints fan. Let's see if you can provide the logic why.

saintfan · 07-08-2013, 07:03 PM

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TheOak · 07-09-2013, 06:38 AM

My gremlin'd post recovered

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I place no distinction between human and the rest of the animals that populate the earth.

Whales are beaching them selves naturally, and another animal (man) is interfering with natures harmonics. Albeit it is justified cause "they are so pretty to look at"...

Man try's to play God or mother nature, however you wish to see it, to justify his own beliefs. Some actions interfere with nature, some are natural.

Whales found on a beach - Man must interfere!
Woodpecker found in a tree - Man must not interfere!
Homosapien's desire to posses trophy's of Rhinoceros horns - Man must interfere!
Mosquito's breed and reach nuisance levels - man must interfere!
Sharks obliterate populations of seals - man must video and put it on the Discovery Channel.
Coonasses obliterate populations of migratory fowl - man must interfere!

If a herd of velociraptors and tyrannosaurus rexs were found to exist just outside of Detroit do ya think man would let them roam freely?

Man applies his logic as he sees fit.

I have very little faith in either religion or science... They are both someone justifying a paycheck.

TheOak · 07-19-2013, 09:48 AM

What if these super forest fires that are burning up thousands of acres of our country periodically are man caused and a result from putting out forest fires and not allowing nature to burn off surface debris naturally?

dam1953 · 07-19-2013, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

What if these super forest fires that are burning up thousands of acres of our country periodically are man caused and a result from putting out forest fires and not allowing nature to burn off surface debris naturally?

That's not a what it. It pretty much fact. The National Forest Service has documented that the practice of putting out "small burns" allows the fuel (fallen trees, brush, seedlings, saplings, etc.) to accumulate to dangerous levels. Then, when a fire erupts you have a catastrophic event. The attached photograph illustrates the impact of humans on the forest understory.

FYI. Many don't realize that fire "prevention" is also a major cause of desertification. Up until the 1800's large tracts of the southwest US were short grass prairie. Once man arrived and started farming and ranching, the belief was that grass fires destroyed the grassland that the cattle depended on. Unfortunately, the opposite is true. Most grasslands are sustained by fire. A fire quickly burns grassland which can re-sprout from the buried root structure and seeds after the first rainfall. Shrubs, saplings, etc. take much longer to regrow after a grass fire. So, with periodic fires, the habitat becomes an established, regenerative grassland. Man's intervention resulted in the grasslands being overrun with slower growing, invasive species such as creosote, sage, mesquite, etc. that crowd-out grasses. When spring rains appeared the lack of the grass root structure resulted in erosion of the thin top soil, permanently damaging the ecosystem and expanding the SW US deserts. So, fires were actually beneficial to the farmer and cattlemen.

Similarly, fires are essential to sustaining the south Louisiana marsh ecosystems.

dam1953 · 07-19-2013, 11:10 AM

PS: This means that today's big forest fires have little if anything to do with global warming, especially since global warming does't exist except in Al's mind.

TheOak · 07-19-2013, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by dam1953

PS: This means that today's big forest fires have little if anything to do with global warming, especially since global warming does't exist except in Al's mind.

Speaking of Al and warming.... I'd love to show him my "heater".

TheOak · 07-26-2013, 06:13 AM

07-08-2013, 12:19 PM	#1
dam1953 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 4,645	Re: What if? Originally Posted by halloween 65 Kind of like human overpopulation consuming the environment. I think sometimes about what happened to ancient civilizations like the Mayans, was there really an Atlantis, and if diggers keep digging up ancient ruins what kind of plague will mankind be faced with, a lot of what if. The earth will take back one day what it wants with us here or not, that's evolution. I think you hit on quite a few interesting facts/ideas. Numerous civilizations, some relatively advanced, have come and gone over the past 10,000 years. If the attached chart is reasonably accurate, modern man (Homo sapiens) has been around for at least 100,000 and possibly 500,000 years. Considering how far man has advanced in just the past 10,000 years, it would appear that there has been ample time for multiple advanced societies to rise and fall. Hence the opportunity for multiple Atlantises with remnants wiped away by time and the occasional meteorite. As to your plague comment: I recently read that archeologists excavating graves from the Roman period came up with an interesting discovery. They were able to extract DNA from 19 sixth-century skeletal remains indicating that they had succumbed to "the plague". So, the Black Death of the 14th wasn't an isolated event. In fact, it may have been a major factor in the fall of the Roman Empire since a weakened population couldn't hold off the invading Huns. Attached Thumbnails
	”It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.” Charles Darwin

07-08-2013, 08:53 PM	#3
dam1953 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 4,645	Re: What if? Originally Posted by SmashMouth Good point ... Huns - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I just wonder if Attila might have been a Saints fan. Your comment had me reading the Wikipedia link about the Huns. It mentions that the "Huns may have stimulated the Great Migration, a contributing factor in the collapse of the western Roman Empire." Based upon recent DNA data linking the fall of the Roman Empire to an early occurrence of the plague, is it not possible that the "Great Migration" might have been the result of a pandemic, with people abandoning plague infested cities. PS: Based upon the axiom that an enemy of my enemy is my friend, Attila was a Saints fan. Let's see if you can provide the logic why.
	”It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.” Charles Darwin

07-09-2013, 06:38 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: What if? My gremlin'd post recovered ----------------------------------------------------- I place no distinction between human and the rest of the animals that populate the earth. Whales are beaching them selves naturally, and another animal (man) is interfering with natures harmonics. Albeit it is justified cause "they are so pretty to look at"... Man try's to play God or mother nature, however you wish to see it, to justify his own beliefs. Some actions interfere with nature, some are natural. Whales found on a beach - Man must interfere! Woodpecker found in a tree - Man must not interfere! Homosapien's desire to posses trophy's of Rhinoceros horns - Man must interfere! Mosquito's breed and reach nuisance levels - man must interfere! Sharks obliterate populations of seals - man must video and put it on the Discovery Channel. Coonasses obliterate populations of migratory fowl - man must interfere! If a herd of velociraptors and tyrannosaurus rexs were found to exist just outside of Detroit do ya think man would let them roam freely? Man applies his logic as he sees fit. I have very little faith in either religion or science... They are both someone justifying a paycheck.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

07-19-2013, 09:48 AM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: What if? What if these super forest fires that are burning up thousands of acres of our country periodically are man caused and a result from putting out forest fires and not allowing nature to burn off surface debris naturally?

07-19-2013, 11:06 AM	#7
dam1953 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 4,645	Re: What if? Originally Posted by TheOak What if these super forest fires that are burning up thousands of acres of our country periodically are man caused and a result from putting out forest fires and not allowing nature to burn off surface debris naturally? That's not a what it. It pretty much fact. The National Forest Service has documented that the practice of putting out "small burns" allows the fuel (fallen trees, brush, seedlings, saplings, etc.) to accumulate to dangerous levels. Then, when a fire erupts you have a catastrophic event. The attached photograph illustrates the impact of humans on the forest understory. FYI. Many don't realize that fire "prevention" is also a major cause of desertification. Up until the 1800's large tracts of the southwest US were short grass prairie. Once man arrived and started farming and ranching, the belief was that grass fires destroyed the grassland that the cattle depended on. Unfortunately, the opposite is true. Most grasslands are sustained by fire. A fire quickly burns grassland which can re-sprout from the buried root structure and seeds after the first rainfall. Shrubs, saplings, etc. take much longer to regrow after a grass fire. So, with periodic fires, the habitat becomes an established, regenerative grassland. Man's intervention resulted in the grasslands being overrun with slower growing, invasive species such as creosote, sage, mesquite, etc. that crowd-out grasses. When spring rains appeared the lack of the grass root structure resulted in erosion of the thin top soil, permanently damaging the ecosystem and expanding the SW US deserts. So, fires were actually beneficial to the farmer and cattlemen. Similarly, fires are essential to sustaining the south Louisiana marsh ecosystems. Attached Thumbnails
	”It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.” Charles Darwin

07-19-2013, 11:10 AM	#8
dam1953 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 4,645	Re: What if? PS: This means that today's big forest fires have little if anything to do with global warming, especially since global warming does't exist except in Al's mind.

07-19-2013, 02:35 PM	#9
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: What if? Originally Posted by dam1953 PS: This means that today's big forest fires have little if anything to do with global warming, especially since global warming does't exist except in Al's mind. Speaking of Al and warming.... I'd love to show him my "heater". Danno likes this.

07-26-2013, 06:13 AM	#10
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: What if?

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