LT accused of rape (Lawrence Taylor)

SaintPauly · 05-17-2010, 02:28 AM

Ah ha. Let this be a lesson to all of you who jumped on LT's lynch mob, before the case played out. Not saying guilty, or innocent, either way. I will wait for all of the facts. And really, since chances are, I won't be on the jury, then it's not my place to judge him anyway.

saintfan · 05-17-2010, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by saintpaul25

Ah ha. Let this be a lesson to all of you who jumped on LT's lynch mob, before the case played out. Not saying guilty, or innocent, either way. I will wait for all of the facts. And really, since chances are, I won't be on the jury, then it's not my place to judge him anyway.

+1...again. It is the oldest profession in the world, for a reason. I'm just not going to judge, which doesn't mean I don't have an opinion, but rather it means I recognize that it is just that - an opinion.

When the facts are clear I think it is likely the only thing LT will be guilty of is paying for sex, and if that proves to be true than he just did it in the wrong state. Legislating morality is a horribly slippery slope ya'll...

skymike · 05-17-2010, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Legislating morality is a horribly slippery slope ya'll...

Actually, Law and morality come from the same place, as our laws are based upon certain moral norms, regardless what the college pony-tail professors try to tell you. Our law is also based on precedence, and so using traditional moral standards would actually be a return from where we came, not a slide into any new pits. To legislate a lack of morality would also be setting a moral standard, so you cant get away from somebody's standards becoming the standard for all, just as you cannot truly avoid theocracy of some form, even if it is secularism.

aaagh. enough of that kind of talk-- I'm making myself sick. Philosophy, is the talk on a cereal box. (says Edie B.) -not to mention a waste of time.

Anyway, while I support religious values, and especially people who live a bit cleaner than you and me, I dont care who's naked with whom, unless one of them is a kid... and I think if your arse is all you got for sale, maybe the government should look the other way, kind of like they have during some periods in New Orleans. Some lawbreaking, I couldnt care less about. I break the law every time I drive.

But I dont think we're in any danger of becoming like Iran. We're free for a long time to drink beer, wear jeans, rock and roll, and get nekkid. You may do all of these tonight.

saintfan · 05-17-2010, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

Actually, Law and morality come from the same place, as our laws are based upon certain moral norms, regardless what the college pony-tail professors try to tell you. Our law is also based on precedence, and so using traditional moral standards would actually be a return from where we came, not a slide into any new pits. To legislate a lack of morality would also be setting a moral standard, so you cant get away from somebody's standards becoming the standard for all, just as you cannot truly avoid theocracy of some form, even if it is secularism.

aaagh. enough of that kind of talk-- I'm making myself sick. Philosophy, is the talk on a cereal box. (says Edie B.) -not to mention a waste of time.

Anyway, while I support religious values, and especially people who live a bit cleaner than you and me, I dont care who's naked with whom, unless one of them is a kid... and I think if your arse is all you got for sale, maybe the government should look the other way, kind of like they have during some periods in New Orleans. Some lawbreaking, I couldnt care less about. I break the law every time I drive.

But I dont think we're in any danger of becoming like Iran. We're free for a long time to drink beer, wear jeans, rock and roll, and get nekkid. You may do all of these tonight.

True Mike - our laws are in part based on a moral 'standard', but that's not legislation necessarily. Sin taxes on smoking, drinking, etc, that's what I mean by legislating morality.

When you speak of 'traditional moral standards', who's tradition do we settle on? What's right for those in the Northeast doesn't fly (necessarily) for those in the southwest. The country is bigger, more diverse than it has ever been, and a common moral ground is, in many ways, next to impossible.

I'm not arguing for prostitution...far from it, but I think we have to recognize the difficulty involved in getting this country to settle on a moral standard.

05-17-2010, 02:28 AM	#1
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	Re: LT accused of rape (Lawrence Taylor) Ah ha. Let this be a lesson to all of you who jumped on LT's lynch mob, before the case played out. Not saying guilty, or innocent, either way. I will wait for all of the facts. And really, since chances are, I won't be on the jury, then it's not my place to judge him anyway.

05-17-2010, 12:28 PM	#2
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: LT accused of rape (Lawrence Taylor) Originally Posted by saintpaul25 Ah ha. Let this be a lesson to all of you who jumped on LT's lynch mob, before the case played out. Not saying guilty, or innocent, either way. I will wait for all of the facts. And really, since chances are, I won't be on the jury, then it's not my place to judge him anyway. +1...again. It is the oldest profession in the world, for a reason. I'm just not going to judge, which doesn't mean I don't have an opinion, but rather it means I recognize that it is just that - an opinion. When the facts are clear I think it is likely the only thing LT will be guilty of is paying for sex, and if that proves to be true than he just did it in the wrong state. Legislating morality is a horribly slippery slope ya'll...

05-17-2010, 07:15 PM	#3
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: LT accused of rape (Lawrence Taylor) Originally Posted by saintfan Legislating morality is a horribly slippery slope ya'll... Actually, Law and morality come from the same place, as our laws are based upon certain moral norms, regardless what the college pony-tail professors try to tell you. Our law is also based on precedence, and so using traditional moral standards would actually be a return from where we came, not a slide into any new pits. To legislate a lack of morality would also be setting a moral standard, so you cant get away from somebody's standards becoming the standard for all, just as you cannot truly avoid theocracy of some form, even if it is secularism. aaagh. enough of that kind of talk-- I'm making myself sick. Philosophy, is the talk on a cereal box. (says Edie B.) -not to mention a waste of time. Anyway, while I support religious values, and especially people who live a bit cleaner than you and me, I dont care who's naked with whom, unless one of them is a kid... and I think if your arse is all you got for sale, maybe the government should look the other way, kind of like they have during some periods in New Orleans. Some lawbreaking, I couldnt care less about. I break the law every time I drive. But I dont think we're in any danger of becoming like Iran. We're free for a long time to drink beer, wear jeans, rock and roll, and get nekkid. You may do all of these tonight.

05-17-2010, 08:23 PM	#4
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: LT accused of rape (Lawrence Taylor) Originally Posted by skymike Actually, Law and morality come from the same place, as our laws are based upon certain moral norms, regardless what the college pony-tail professors try to tell you. Our law is also based on precedence, and so using traditional moral standards would actually be a return from where we came, not a slide into any new pits. To legislate a lack of morality would also be setting a moral standard, so you cant get away from somebody's standards becoming the standard for all, just as you cannot truly avoid theocracy of some form, even if it is secularism. aaagh. enough of that kind of talk-- I'm making myself sick. Philosophy, is the talk on a cereal box. (says Edie B.) -not to mention a waste of time. Anyway, while I support religious values, and especially people who live a bit cleaner than you and me, I dont care who's naked with whom, unless one of them is a kid... and I think if your arse is all you got for sale, maybe the government should look the other way, kind of like they have during some periods in New Orleans. Some lawbreaking, I couldnt care less about. I break the law every time I drive. But I dont think we're in any danger of becoming like Iran. We're free for a long time to drink beer, wear jeans, rock and roll, and get nekkid. You may do all of these tonight. True Mike - our laws are in part based on a moral 'standard', but that's not legislation necessarily. Sin taxes on smoking, drinking, etc, that's what I mean by legislating morality. When you speak of 'traditional moral standards', who's tradition do we settle on? What's right for those in the Northeast doesn't fly (necessarily) for those in the southwest. The country is bigger, more diverse than it has ever been, and a common moral ground is, in many ways, next to impossible. I'm not arguing for prostitution...far from it, but I think we have to recognize the difficulty involved in getting this country to settle on a moral standard.
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