LT accused of rape (Lawrence Taylor)

saintsfan1976 · 05-17-2010, 08:29 AM

I doubt this witness is anything more than someone LT's lawyer is using to create a "reasonable doubt".

skymike · 05-17-2010, 08:39 AM

I have reasonable doubt that aliens havent parked at my house, and came in and stole my beer.

TheOak · 05-17-2010, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

No. They aren't Saints.

So if they play for New Orleans it is a different story?

LOL

niteadept · 05-17-2010, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by QBREES9

Can ya really trust what a 16 year old whore sez ???

REALLY??!! You just put 16 y/o and whore in the same sentence. Why is a 51 y/o man trying to get something that young?! Blame it on the females and how old they look and how great he is because of all his $$ and fame. If his $ and fame are so great than why is he at the Holiday Inn and why does he call a pimp?! Don't know what happened there and will probably never know the real truth. Just wish adults would take responsibility for their f****ed up choices and teach their children how to do the same.....

saintfan · 05-17-2010, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by saintpaul25

Ah ha. Let this be a lesson to all of you who jumped on LT's lynch mob, before the case played out. Not saying guilty, or innocent, either way. I will wait for all of the facts. And really, since chances are, I won't be on the jury, then it's not my place to judge him anyway.

+1...again. It is the oldest profession in the world, for a reason. I'm just not going to judge, which doesn't mean I don't have an opinion, but rather it means I recognize that it is just that - an opinion.

When the facts are clear I think it is likely the only thing LT will be guilty of is paying for sex, and if that proves to be true than he just did it in the wrong state. Legislating morality is a horribly slippery slope ya'll...

skymike · 05-17-2010, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Legislating morality is a horribly slippery slope ya'll...

Actually, Law and morality come from the same place, as our laws are based upon certain moral norms, regardless what the college pony-tail professors try to tell you. Our law is also based on precedence, and so using traditional moral standards would actually be a return from where we came, not a slide into any new pits. To legislate a lack of morality would also be setting a moral standard, so you cant get away from somebody's standards becoming the standard for all, just as you cannot truly avoid theocracy of some form, even if it is secularism.

aaagh. enough of that kind of talk-- I'm making myself sick. Philosophy, is the talk on a cereal box. (says Edie B.) -not to mention a waste of time.

Anyway, while I support religious values, and especially people who live a bit cleaner than you and me, I dont care who's naked with whom, unless one of them is a kid... and I think if your arse is all you got for sale, maybe the government should look the other way, kind of like they have during some periods in New Orleans. Some lawbreaking, I couldnt care less about. I break the law every time I drive.

But I dont think we're in any danger of becoming like Iran. We're free for a long time to drink beer, wear jeans, rock and roll, and get nekkid. You may do all of these tonight.

saintfan · 05-17-2010, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

Actually, Law and morality come from the same place, as our laws are based upon certain moral norms, regardless what the college pony-tail professors try to tell you. Our law is also based on precedence, and so using traditional moral standards would actually be a return from where we came, not a slide into any new pits. To legislate a lack of morality would also be setting a moral standard, so you cant get away from somebody's standards becoming the standard for all, just as you cannot truly avoid theocracy of some form, even if it is secularism.

aaagh. enough of that kind of talk-- I'm making myself sick. Philosophy, is the talk on a cereal box. (says Edie B.) -not to mention a waste of time.

Anyway, while I support religious values, and especially people who live a bit cleaner than you and me, I dont care who's naked with whom, unless one of them is a kid... and I think if your arse is all you got for sale, maybe the government should look the other way, kind of like they have during some periods in New Orleans. Some lawbreaking, I couldnt care less about. I break the law every time I drive.

But I dont think we're in any danger of becoming like Iran. We're free for a long time to drink beer, wear jeans, rock and roll, and get nekkid. You may do all of these tonight.

True Mike - our laws are in part based on a moral 'standard', but that's not legislation necessarily. Sin taxes on smoking, drinking, etc, that's what I mean by legislating morality.

When you speak of 'traditional moral standards', who's tradition do we settle on? What's right for those in the Northeast doesn't fly (necessarily) for those in the southwest. The country is bigger, more diverse than it has ever been, and a common moral ground is, in many ways, next to impossible.

I'm not arguing for prostitution...far from it, but I think we have to recognize the difficulty involved in getting this country to settle on a moral standard.

strato · 05-17-2010, 09:31 PM

No mix church and state...make strato irate...

SaintPauly · 05-18-2010, 12:06 AM

Initially, there are too many cultures, and sub-cultures in the United States now, to where you are going to be able to please them all. Especially on a "moral" view. Isn't it weird how people come to this country, to get away from the culture they were born and raised in, only to bring that same culture, and value system with them? Crazy. Back to topic, my problem with alot of people in this country, is that they run around with American flags, screaming SUPPORT THE SYSTEM. Then, instead of waiting for all of the facts to come out, they form their opinions, based on initial facts, before the trial even starts. Now, if I am to support, "the system", I believe it's written that we are "innocent, until proven guilty", not the other way around. And don't give me that, well that's just the way it is crap. If you support our legal system, then get the interpretation down first. Because if that's just the way it is, then you are going out on your own limb of justice, not the way it's supposed to be.

Until the D.A. decides to prosecute, this isn't even a crime yet! Now maybe I missed something, and they already announced that they are pursuing it, but if not, then guess what? Innocent, until proven guilty. I didn't write it, but I damn sure support it.

skymike · 05-18-2010, 07:55 AM

I never scream support the system. I hate the system. Court is always a bad experience for me.

05-17-2010, 08:29 AM	#61
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,849 Blog Entries: 3	Re: LT accused of rape (Lawrence Taylor) I doubt this witness is anything more than someone LT's lawyer is using to create a "reasonable doubt".

05-17-2010, 08:39 AM	#62
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: LT accused of rape (Lawrence Taylor) I have reasonable doubt that aliens havent parked at my house, and came in and stole my beer.

05-17-2010, 10:52 AM	#63
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: LT accused of rape (Lawrence Taylor) Originally Posted by saintfan No. They aren't Saints. So if they play for New Orleans it is a different story? LOL

05-17-2010, 12:04 PM	#64
niteadept Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 520 Blog Entries: 1	Re: LT accused of rape (Lawrence Taylor) Originally Posted by QBREES9 Can ya really trust what a 16 year old whore sez ??? REALLY??!! You just put 16 y/o and whore in the same sentence. Why is a 51 y/o man trying to get something that young?! Blame it on the females and how old they look and how great he is because of all his $$ and fame. If his $ and fame are so great than why is he at the Holiday Inn and why does he call a pimp?! Don't know what happened there and will probably never know the real truth. Just wish adults would take responsibility for their f****ed up choices and teach their children how to do the same.....
	"Six-Four walk the line. TOUCHDOWN Colston!"

05-17-2010, 01:28 PM	#65
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: LT accused of rape (Lawrence Taylor) Originally Posted by saintpaul25 Ah ha. Let this be a lesson to all of you who jumped on LT's lynch mob, before the case played out. Not saying guilty, or innocent, either way. I will wait for all of the facts. And really, since chances are, I won't be on the jury, then it's not my place to judge him anyway. +1...again. It is the oldest profession in the world, for a reason. I'm just not going to judge, which doesn't mean I don't have an opinion, but rather it means I recognize that it is just that - an opinion. When the facts are clear I think it is likely the only thing LT will be guilty of is paying for sex, and if that proves to be true than he just did it in the wrong state. Legislating morality is a horribly slippery slope ya'll...

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05-17-2010, 08:15 PM	#66
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: LT accused of rape (Lawrence Taylor) Originally Posted by saintfan Legislating morality is a horribly slippery slope ya'll... Actually, Law and morality come from the same place, as our laws are based upon certain moral norms, regardless what the college pony-tail professors try to tell you. Our law is also based on precedence, and so using traditional moral standards would actually be a return from where we came, not a slide into any new pits. To legislate a lack of morality would also be setting a moral standard, so you cant get away from somebody's standards becoming the standard for all, just as you cannot truly avoid theocracy of some form, even if it is secularism. aaagh. enough of that kind of talk-- I'm making myself sick. Philosophy, is the talk on a cereal box. (says Edie B.) -not to mention a waste of time. Anyway, while I support religious values, and especially people who live a bit cleaner than you and me, I dont care who's naked with whom, unless one of them is a kid... and I think if your arse is all you got for sale, maybe the government should look the other way, kind of like they have during some periods in New Orleans. Some lawbreaking, I couldnt care less about. I break the law every time I drive. But I dont think we're in any danger of becoming like Iran. We're free for a long time to drink beer, wear jeans, rock and roll, and get nekkid. You may do all of these tonight.

05-17-2010, 09:23 PM	#67
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: LT accused of rape (Lawrence Taylor) Originally Posted by skymike Actually, Law and morality come from the same place, as our laws are based upon certain moral norms, regardless what the college pony-tail professors try to tell you. Our law is also based on precedence, and so using traditional moral standards would actually be a return from where we came, not a slide into any new pits. To legislate a lack of morality would also be setting a moral standard, so you cant get away from somebody's standards becoming the standard for all, just as you cannot truly avoid theocracy of some form, even if it is secularism. aaagh. enough of that kind of talk-- I'm making myself sick. Philosophy, is the talk on a cereal box. (says Edie B.) -not to mention a waste of time. Anyway, while I support religious values, and especially people who live a bit cleaner than you and me, I dont care who's naked with whom, unless one of them is a kid... and I think if your arse is all you got for sale, maybe the government should look the other way, kind of like they have during some periods in New Orleans. Some lawbreaking, I couldnt care less about. I break the law every time I drive. But I dont think we're in any danger of becoming like Iran. We're free for a long time to drink beer, wear jeans, rock and roll, and get nekkid. You may do all of these tonight. True Mike - our laws are in part based on a moral 'standard', but that's not legislation necessarily. Sin taxes on smoking, drinking, etc, that's what I mean by legislating morality. When you speak of 'traditional moral standards', who's tradition do we settle on? What's right for those in the Northeast doesn't fly (necessarily) for those in the southwest. The country is bigger, more diverse than it has ever been, and a common moral ground is, in many ways, next to impossible. I'm not arguing for prostitution...far from it, but I think we have to recognize the difficulty involved in getting this country to settle on a moral standard.
	C'mon Man...

05-17-2010, 09:31 PM	#68
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: LT accused of rape (Lawrence Taylor) No mix church and state...make strato irate...

05-18-2010, 12:06 AM	#69
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	Re: LT accused of rape (Lawrence Taylor) Initially, there are too many cultures, and sub-cultures in the United States now, to where you are going to be able to please them all. Especially on a "moral" view. Isn't it weird how people come to this country, to get away from the culture they were born and raised in, only to bring that same culture, and value system with them? Crazy. Back to topic, my problem with alot of people in this country, is that they run around with American flags, screaming SUPPORT THE SYSTEM. Then, instead of waiting for all of the facts to come out, they form their opinions, based on initial facts, before the trial even starts. Now, if I am to support, "the system", I believe it's written that we are "innocent, until proven guilty", not the other way around. And don't give me that, well that's just the way it is crap. If you support our legal system, then get the interpretation down first. Because if that's just the way it is, then you are going out on your own limb of justice, not the way it's supposed to be. Until the D.A. decides to prosecute, this isn't even a crime yet! Now maybe I missed something, and they already announced that they are pursuing it, but if not, then guess what? Innocent, until proven guilty. I didn't write it, but I damn sure support it.
	What's popular is not always right, and what's right is not always popular.....

05-18-2010, 07:55 AM	#70
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: LT accused of rape (Lawrence Taylor) I never scream support the system. I hate the system. Court is always a bad experience for me.