Is Micheal Vick the best QB in the NFL?

papz · 11-18-2010, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

I used to love these forums but as of late (past few weeks) the moderators are getting heavy handed and removing posts and entire threads... This is a bit much for me.

There were pages about PT that are now gone.

Heavy handed? Are you kidding me? This is one of the most lienient and least moderated boards out there. If people were to stick to the topic, not do a complete 180, and leave out the personal attacks on one another(which is allowed in the appropriate place on these boards, then we wouldn't have to worry about missing threads or post.

Since the beginning of June, there's been a whooping 2 Saints threads that was moved into the trash bin. You got that? 2. One on Pierre Thomas that did a 180 and went political, which never ends well, and a thread of Ochocinco going to the Saints from E! News.

Please... we aren't Nazi's around here by any means. I find remarks like that very insulting. It also holds no water.

Saintswrath · 11-19-2010, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

DOPE! I read that wrong or NFl.com had it backwards....

That page issue you posted is because moderators remove posts but they stay in the thread where we can not see them...

I used to love these forums but as of late (past few weeks) the moderators are getting heavy handed and removing posts and entire threads... This is a bit much for me.

There were pages about PT that are now gone.

As a moderator i take offense to that, i take pride in being the most lenient non-Nazi, most laid back moderator ever, believe me if the board was trashed we moderators discuss a reason why it was and if it should remain trashed, we are very diplomatic here, i read through that thread and the topic was totally changed, no reason to keep it on the board disturbing Saints related stuff, we're not going to allow topics to get derailed.. Sorry, there are boards around that allow that, go look at their traffic compared to ours and you'll see why we are currently gaining more popularity.

Anyway all opinions are welcomed and everyone is welcomed to start a topic about anything you want, just please try and be on topic and start the topics in the right threads and you'll be aiigght.

Back on to Micheal Vick, some of ya'll are still thinking about that dog event,
I don't see how Rapist Ben get's a pass but Vick family harms dogs and serves all of his time given by the courts and you want him to just vanish, Ben has had 2 Rape cases just evaporate, Favre has sent nude pix of himself to a chick and he gets no punishment, in fact the NFL is trying to cover it up for him, yet Vick gets crucified, used as an example, dragged around, all of his funds drained, and he basically has to start over from scratch and people want to completely kick the guy and all that talent off the field? where's the fairness?
If he was completely garbage i'd agree, why is he playing, but that man has made a complete turn around, i don't think he'll be a repeat offender and he's paid his dues, he should be allowed to play and im happy for him.

TheOak · 11-19-2010, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Saintswrath

As a moderator i take offense to that, i take pride in being the most lenient non-Nazi, most laid back moderator ever, believe me if the board was trashed we moderators discuss a reason why it was and if it should remain trashed, we are very diplomatic here, i read through that thread and the topic was totally changed, no reason to keep it on the board disturbing Saints related stuff, we're not going to allow topics to get derailed.. Sorry, there are boards around that allow that, go look at their traffic compared to ours and you'll see why we are currently gaining more popularity.

Anyway all opinions are welcomed and everyone is welcomed to start a topic about anything you want, just please try and be on topic and start the topics in the right threads and you'll be aiigght.

Back on to Micheal Vick, some of ya'll are still thinking about that dog event,
I don't see how Rapist Ben get's a pass but Vick family harms dogs and serves all of his time given by the courts and you want him to just vanish, Ben has had 2 Rape cases just evaporate, Favre has sent nude pix of himself to a chick and he gets no punishment, in fact the NFL is trying to cover it up for him, yet Vick gets crucified, used as an example, dragged around, all of his funds drained, and he basically has to start over from scratch and people want to completely kick the guy and all that talent off the field? where's the fairness?
If he was completely garbage i'd agree, why is he playing, but that man has made a complete turn around, i don't think he'll be a repeat offender and he's paid his dues, he should be allowed to play and im happy for him.

Please do not be offended I was having a rough morning and never saw what had transpired after I had left my last PT comment. I just know I logged in and the thread no longer existed in my list of last posts, and search would not find it... I own and mod a few different boards and fully understand, and appreciate your soft handed approach.. Hell, the fact that you even took the time to reply to he lifts you up a few thousand notches in my book.

B.O.T... I do not give Ben a pass, or Vick. Having one momentary lapse of character does not a bad guy make. Just like getting in a fight while drunk does not make someone less appealing to drink around.. Condoning, orchestrating, participating, and profiting from an illegal and immoral act like dog fighting puts a person right below whale sh1t in my book. So does abusing females... Neither should be allowed to play the game. They both broke the leagues Code of Conduct intentionally and repeatedly... There were no "misunderstandings"... THen when you look at sports as a whole... And look at Rose being kept out of the Hall of Fame because of betting... You really have to wonder... What in the hell does an NFL player have to do to get the boot???

I mean we almost lost players for 6 games (I believe) because of the use of a product that was not on the NFL's No-No list. Thats two more games than Rapist Ben!

Favre should be suspended after the "Porkey's p3nis" line up... But the NFL does not want to harm his precious start record.

TheOak · 11-19-2010, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by strato

The pages that were removed are in the trash can..because they became political....nothing here has been touched to my knowledge..

http://blackandgold.com/f13/30461-lo...ame-saint.html

Thanks... That did get pretty stupid. Ill comment no more on that LOL.. Dont want this one locked.

Saintswrath · 11-17-2010, 02:16 PM

I think he's doing great because they're allowing him the freedom of using all of his gifts.. when he initially went to the Falcons in ATfail they allowed him to use his feet as well as throw the ball mostly he ran to compensate for his lack of accuracy..
Since the dog case and all he's apparently gotten more accurate with the help of mentoring from Mcnabb and now they are allowing him to run his type of offense and allow him the freedom he had in college and his first couple of years in the Pro's.. We're seeing the Real Micheal Vick and he looks very dangerous when he's healthy! YIKES!!!!!!

saintsfan601 · 11-17-2010, 03:26 PM

How come I can't see page five?

Halo · 11-17-2010, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan601

How come I can't see page five?

I think you're on page 5...

saintsfan601 · 11-17-2010, 03:34 PM

okay I kept seeing page four everytime I clicked on this thread.Sorry about the useless post.It's fixed now.It may have just been a problem on my end.

D_it_up · 11-17-2010, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Saintswrath

He may quite possibly be at least this year be the best QB in the NFL..

The two words in bold type are the operative words in this statement. Even before the dog scandal, Vick was a RB in a QB's body. He's always had a cannon for an arm, but he never had the head to match it.....until this year. He finally harnessed all of his talent and is having the best year of his career. It doesn't hurt that he has some nice talent at the skill positions surrounding him, but he has learned what to do with all their talent and his own. Can he keep up this pace the rest of the season? The Magic 8 Ball says "Outlook looks good". Will he be able to keep it up next season? That remains to be seen. This year, however, he's top "dog".

OldMaid · 11-17-2010, 06:18 PM

He should not be in the NFL. He should have not been allowed back.
Playing football for a living , THE FEW YEARS ONE CAN DO SO is not a right,but a PRIVILEGE.

11-18-2010, 12:09 PM	#1
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Originally Posted by x626xBlack I used to love these forums but as of late (past few weeks) the moderators are getting heavy handed and removing posts and entire threads... This is a bit much for me. There were pages about PT that are now gone. Heavy handed? Are you kidding me? This is one of the most lienient and least moderated boards out there. If people were to stick to the topic, not do a complete 180, and leave out the personal attacks on one another(which is allowed in the appropriate place on these boards, then we wouldn't have to worry about missing threads or post. Since the beginning of June, there's been a whooping 2 Saints threads that was moved into the trash bin. You got that? 2. One on Pierre Thomas that did a 180 and went political, which never ends well, and a thread of Ochocinco going to the Saints from E! News. Please... we aren't Nazi's around here by any means. I find remarks like that very insulting. It also holds no water.
	Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege. All little common sense goes a long way.

11-19-2010, 10:03 AM	#2
Saintswrath +Mod Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Between 504 & 813 Posts: 1,776 Blog Entries: 4	Originally Posted by x626xBlack DOPE! I read that wrong or NFl.com had it backwards.... That page issue you posted is because moderators remove posts but they stay in the thread where we can not see them... I used to love these forums but as of late (past few weeks) the moderators are getting heavy handed and removing posts and entire threads... This is a bit much for me. There were pages about PT that are now gone. As a moderator i take offense to that, i take pride in being the most lenient non-Nazi, most laid back moderator ever, believe me if the board was trashed we moderators discuss a reason why it was and if it should remain trashed, we are very diplomatic here, i read through that thread and the topic was totally changed, no reason to keep it on the board disturbing Saints related stuff, we're not going to allow topics to get derailed.. Sorry, there are boards around that allow that, go look at their traffic compared to ours and you'll see why we are currently gaining more popularity. Anyway all opinions are welcomed and everyone is welcomed to start a topic about anything you want, just please try and be on topic and start the topics in the right threads and you'll be aiigght. Back on to Micheal Vick, some of ya'll are still thinking about that dog event, I don't see how Rapist Ben get's a pass but Vick family harms dogs and serves all of his time given by the courts and you want him to just vanish, Ben has had 2 Rape cases just evaporate, Favre has sent nude pix of himself to a chick and he gets no punishment, in fact the NFL is trying to cover it up for him, yet Vick gets crucified, used as an example, dragged around, all of his funds drained, and he basically has to start over from scratch and people want to completely kick the guy and all that talent off the field? where's the fairness? If he was completely garbage i'd agree, why is he playing, but that man has made a complete turn around, i don't think he'll be a repeat offender and he's paid his dues, he should be allowed to play and im happy for him.
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11-19-2010, 12:43 PM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Originally Posted by Saintswrath As a moderator i take offense to that, i take pride in being the most lenient non-Nazi, most laid back moderator ever, believe me if the board was trashed we moderators discuss a reason why it was and if it should remain trashed, we are very diplomatic here, i read through that thread and the topic was totally changed, no reason to keep it on the board disturbing Saints related stuff, we're not going to allow topics to get derailed.. Sorry, there are boards around that allow that, go look at their traffic compared to ours and you'll see why we are currently gaining more popularity. Anyway all opinions are welcomed and everyone is welcomed to start a topic about anything you want, just please try and be on topic and start the topics in the right threads and you'll be aiigght. Back on to Micheal Vick, some of ya'll are still thinking about that dog event, I don't see how Rapist Ben get's a pass but Vick family harms dogs and serves all of his time given by the courts and you want him to just vanish, Ben has had 2 Rape cases just evaporate, Favre has sent nude pix of himself to a chick and he gets no punishment, in fact the NFL is trying to cover it up for him, yet Vick gets crucified, used as an example, dragged around, all of his funds drained, and he basically has to start over from scratch and people want to completely kick the guy and all that talent off the field? where's the fairness? If he was completely garbage i'd agree, why is he playing, but that man has made a complete turn around, i don't think he'll be a repeat offender and he's paid his dues, he should be allowed to play and im happy for him. Please do not be offended I was having a rough morning and never saw what had transpired after I had left my last PT comment. I just know I logged in and the thread no longer existed in my list of last posts, and search would not find it... I own and mod a few different boards and fully understand, and appreciate your soft handed approach.. Hell, the fact that you even took the time to reply to he lifts you up a few thousand notches in my book. B.O.T... I do not give Ben a pass, or Vick. Having one momentary lapse of character does not a bad guy make. Just like getting in a fight while drunk does not make someone less appealing to drink around.. Condoning, orchestrating, participating, and profiting from an illegal and immoral act like dog fighting puts a person right below whale sh1t in my book. So does abusing females... Neither should be allowed to play the game. They both broke the leagues Code of Conduct intentionally and repeatedly... There were no "misunderstandings"... THen when you look at sports as a whole... And look at Rose being kept out of the Hall of Fame because of betting... You really have to wonder... What in the hell does an NFL player have to do to get the boot??? I mean we almost lost players for 6 games (I believe) because of the use of a product that was not on the NFL's No-No list. Thats two more games than Rapist Ben! Favre should be suspended after the "Porkey's p3nis" line up... But the NFL does not want to harm his precious start record.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

11-19-2010, 11:28 AM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Originally Posted by strato The pages that were removed are in the trash can..because they became political....nothing here has been touched to my knowledge.. http://blackandgold.com/f13/30461-lo...ame-saint.html Thanks... That did get pretty stupid. Ill comment no more on that LOL.. Dont want this one locked.

11-17-2010, 03:30 PM	#7
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,895 Blog Entries: 45	Originally Posted by saintsfan601 How come I can't see page five? I think you're on page 5...

11-17-2010, 02:16 PM	#5
Saintswrath +Mod Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Between 504 & 813 Posts: 1,776 Blog Entries: 4	I think he's doing great because they're allowing him the freedom of using all of his gifts.. when he initially went to the Falcons in ATfail they allowed him to use his feet as well as throw the ball mostly he ran to compensate for his lack of accuracy.. Since the dog case and all he's apparently gotten more accurate with the help of mentoring from Mcnabb and now they are allowing him to run his type of offense and allow him the freedom he had in college and his first couple of years in the Pro's.. We're seeing the Real Micheal Vick and he looks very dangerous when he's healthy! YIKES!!!!!!

11-17-2010, 03:26 PM	#6
saintsfan601 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Meridian MS Posts: 259	How come I can't see page five?

11-17-2010, 03:34 PM	#8
saintsfan601 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Meridian MS Posts: 259	okay I kept seeing page four everytime I clicked on this thread.Sorry about the useless post.It's fixed now.It may have just been a problem on my end.

11-17-2010, 03:56 PM	#9
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by Saintswrath He may quite possibly be at least this year be the best QB in the NFL.. The two words in bold type are the operative words in this statement. Even before the dog scandal, Vick was a RB in a QB's body. He's always had a cannon for an arm, but he never had the head to match it.....until this year. He finally harnessed all of his talent and is having the best year of his career. It doesn't hurt that he has some nice talent at the skill positions surrounding him, but he has learned what to do with all their talent and his own. Can he keep up this pace the rest of the season? The Magic 8 Ball says "Outlook looks good". Will he be able to keep it up next season? That remains to be seen. This year, however, he's top "dog".

11-17-2010, 06:18 PM	#10
OldMaid Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,919 Blog Entries: 3	He should not be in the NFL. He should have not been allowed back. Playing football for a living , THE FEW YEARS ONE CAN DO SO is not a right,but a PRIVILEGE.

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