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this is a discussion within the NFL Community Forum; Originally Posted by burningmetal I hear what you're saying man, and I agree that this is how the kneel down is generally viewed. My problem is that I don't know what made these players decide the kneel down was a ...

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Old 09-21-2012, 07:04 AM   #20
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Re: NFL sides with Buccaneers on kneel-down controversy

Originally Posted by burningmetal View Post
I hear what you're saying man, and I agree that this is how the kneel down is generally viewed.

My problem is that I don't know what made these players decide the kneel down was a gentleman thing. I've always thought of it as a way to run out the clock without risking a turnover. But if you're the defense, you have to try to disrupt that center. Sure, someone could have gotten hurt, but we can say that about every play. The object of the game is to win, and the last play -when you're only down one score- should be no different than any other play.

Now, I know that many have argued that injury was more likely because the Giants were somehow caught off guard, but when I see the replay it was very obvious that the Bucs were ready to send the house. They weren't just standing around. So it's the Giants fault, in my humble opinion, for taking it for granted and allowing themselves to get pushed back like that... And I'll add that if players still think the kneel is a universal "everybody stop playing" signal, then I agree with Jerry Jones that they should just outlaw it.
When did all this kneel-down-to-end-a-game crap start, anyway? I vaguely remember, as a kid, it kinda' showing up sometime in the '70's and much to the disdain of the fans ... I even vaguely remember arguing during sandlot games when kids on the other team would try to pull that stunt. I even want to say I remember fans boo-ing the play when it started showing up in games, but don't quote me on that.

So I did some digging and came up with this (and yes, apparently I do have too much time on my hands, ). I find it ironic that the NYG were involved in the original controversy that basically started the whole 'kneel-down' procedure and that they're embroiled in controversy over the 'kneel-down' once again ... maybe they were having flashbacks to 1978, eh? :

The Miracle at the Meadowlands: Later that season, on November 19, 1978 the New York Giants were closing out an apparent 17-12 victory over the visiting Philadelphia Eagles. With 31 seconds left to play, they had the ball on third down. The Eagles had no timeouts left. All the Giants had to do was snap the ball one more time, and since they had knelt with the ball on the play before, it was expected they would do it and the game would be over. However, the kneel-down play wasn't universally accepted as an honorable way to win a game at the time, and Giants' offensive coordinator Bob Gibson ordered quarterback Joe Pisarcik (with whom he had been having a running feud over play-calling authority) to hand the ball off to fullback Larry Csonka for one more run up the middle to end the game. Csonka was reluctant to take the ball, and instead Pisarcik fumbled the handoff, allowing Eagles' cornerback Herman Edwards to return it for the winning touchdown. The Fumble, as outraged Giants' fans still call it, spurred the Eagles to the playoffs that season and precipitated a complete overhaul of the Giants' coaching and management staff, eventually reversing years of decline. Gibson was fired the next day. The following week, kneeling with the ball when possible to run out the clock and preserve a victory became standard operating procedure in the NFL.
This is an example of why the Buccaneers did what they did, they were within a score and could have hypothetically won the game had they caused a fumble ... is it any different a principle from an onside kick? ... and that's where I'm at in regards to the Giants ... if the offensive lineman couldn't see that Tampa Bay was coming, then that's their problem. I guess I'll look at Herm Edwards in a different light from now on also, when he's doing his goofy game analysis for ESPN, .

Just outlaw the practice of kneeling-down-to-win-a-game, IMO.
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