Julio Jones better than Calvin Johnson, Gil Brandt says

mutineer10 · 02-03-2013, 11:01 AM

Usually Brandt is pretty spot-on, but I can't agree here. I like Julio - as a Bama fan, not a Failcons one - but he wasn't even the most productive WR on his own TEAM this season.

And frankly, Natty Arse is a slightly-better QB than Matt Stafford.

Johnson produces more with less around him - no quality #2 WR, no consistent running game, shaky O-line - so I gotta give him the edge. No doubt Julio is up-and-coming fast, though.

WillSaints81 · 02-03-2013, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by mutineer10

Usually Brandt is pretty spot-on, but I can't agree here. I like Julio - as a Bama fan, not a Failcons one - but he wasn't even the most productive WR on his own TEAM this season.

And frankly, Natty Arse is a slightly-better QB than Matt Stafford.

Johnson produces more with less around him - no quality #2 WR, no consistent running game, shaky O-line - so I gotta give him the edge. No doubt Julio is up-and-coming fast, though.

I have to disagree there. Any qb that throws for 5,000 yards in a season is elite or soon to be. The lions lost eight games by seven points or less and five of them they were in position to win at the end. As for JJ being better, no way. If that were the case why does he not show up in some games. And if Ryan was better than Stafford then would that falcons offense be putting up the points the lions do in their games? the lions do score points, its their defense that hasnt done well.

SloMotion · 02-04-2013, 06:17 AM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

I have to disagree there. Any qb that throws for 5,000 yards in a season is elite or soon to be. The lions lost eight games by seven points or less and five of them they were in position to win at the end. As for JJ being better, no way. If that were the case why does he not show up in some games. And if Ryan was better than Stafford then would that falcons offense be putting up the points the lions do in their games? the lions do score points, its their defense that hasnt done well.

All valid points, and god knows I've been defending the Lions for 40+yrs, but the fact remains they always find a way snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and I'm tired of sticking up for them. Stafford vs Ryan is a great debate. I put 'em both in that second tier but I think when Mut10 says Ryan is 'slightly better', he may have a point (blech! puke! choke!, can't believe I'm saying that!). Stafford arguably does more with less, but is always fighting off some sort of injury and has yet to notch a playoff win, so I give a slight edge to Ryan (blech! puke! choke!).

It's one of them deals where you'd like to see them switch places and see how they do.

mutineer10 · 02-04-2013, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

Stafford vs Ryan is a great debate. I put 'em both in that second tier but I think when Mut10 says Ryan is 'slightly better', he may have a point (blech! puke! choke!, can't believe I'm saying that!). Stafford arguably does more with less, but is always fighting off some sort of injury and has yet to notch a playoff win, so I give a slight edge to Ryan (blech! puke! choke!).

It's one of them deals where you'd like to see them switch places and see how they do.

Yeah, I gave myself some of that Brandt "wiggle room" with the "slightly better." Like you I'd call both Stafford and Ryan second-tier, there's no arguing they're quality starters. I mainly give Ryan an edge for durability (although Stafford did finally play in all 16 games this season) and consistency.

The tale of the tape (2012 Season):

QB Rating: Stafford 79.8, Ryan 99.1
Comp. %: Stafford 59.8%, Ryan 68.6%
Total Yds: Stafford 4,967, Ryan 4,719
TD / INT: Stafford 20 / 17, Ryan 32 / 14
Fumb / Lost: Stafford 6 / 4, Ryan 3 / 2

It's clear to me which QB I'd take in the debate. If you believe the stats don't lie - I personally believe they often do - it's not really close.

Now that I've defended Natty Arse, I'll end this threadjacking and go hang myself.

burningmetal · 02-04-2013, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by mutineer10

Yeah, I gave myself some of that Brandt "wiggle room" with the "slightly better." Like you I'd call both Stafford and Ryan second-tier, there's no arguing they're quality starters. I mainly give Ryan an edge for durability (although Stafford did finally play in all 16 games this season) and consistency.

The tale of the tape (2012 Season):

QB Rating: Stafford 79.8, Ryan 99.1
Comp. %: Stafford 59.8%, Ryan 68.6%
Total Yds: Stafford 4,967, Ryan 4,719
TD / INT: Stafford 20 / 17, Ryan 32 / 14
Fumb / Lost: Stafford 6 / 4, Ryan 3 / 2

It's clear to me which QB I'd take in the debate. If you believe the stats don't lie - I personally believe they often do - it's not really close.

Now that I've defended Natty Arse, I'll end this threadjacking and go hang myself.

Just thoroughly wash out those Ratty Mice thoughts with some battery acid. I can't promise that you'll survive, but at least it'll burn the negative memories from your mind.

Tobias-Reiper · 02-04-2013, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by mutineer10

Yeah, I gave myself some of that Brandt "wiggle room" with the "slightly better." Like you I'd call both Stafford and Ryan second-tier, there's no arguing they're quality starters. I mainly give Ryan an edge for durability (although Stafford did finally play in all 16 games this season) and consistency.

The tale of the tape (2012 Season):

QB Rating: Stafford 79.8, Ryan 99.1
Comp. %: Stafford 59.8%, Ryan 68.6%
Total Yds: Stafford 4,967, Ryan 4,719
TD / INT: Stafford 20 / 17, Ryan 32 / 14
Fumb / Lost: Stafford 6 / 4, Ryan 3 / 2

It's clear to me which QB I'd take in the debate. If you believe the stats don't lie - I personally believe they often do - it's not really close.

Now that I've defended Natty Arse, I'll end this threadjacking and go hang myself.

So, let's say, for the sake of argument, we take Julio and Calvin out of the equation.
Who is the Lions' #2 WR? (without looking i up)
Who is the Lions' #1 TE? (without looking it up)
How good is the Lions' O-line at keeping Stafford upright in comparison to Matty Melt and his O-line? BTW, I am no math genius, but I believe 6/4 = 3/2

Did Stafford get to play against the Saints D twice last year?

I rest my case.

Oh, and I doing this for your own good

SloMotion · 02-06-2013, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

So, let's say, for the sake of argument, we take Julio and Calvin out of the equation.
Who is the Lions' #2 WR? (without looking i up)
Who is the Lions' #1 TE? (without looking it up)
How good is the Lions' O-line at keeping Stafford upright in comparison to Matty Melt and his O-line? BTW, I am no math genius, but I believe 6/4 = 3/2
Did Stafford get to play against the Saints D twice last year?

I rest my case.

Oh, and I doing this for your own good

I can answer those without looking it up!

#2 WR - Nate Burleson (injured), Titus Young (headcase/DNP), Ryan Broyles (injured), Mike Thomas? (no), Kris Durham? (no), Brian Robiske? (who?). If you go by catches, it would be Titus Young, which kind of shows you the shape the Lions receiving corps was in.

#1 TE - Brandon "get-that-boy-some-stick 'um" Pettigrew. Tony Scheffler is a close second & a fan favorite, but Brandon usually gets more opportunities to drop passes than Scheffler in any given game.

Lions O/line vs. Falcons O/line - The Lions offensive line is surprisingly good at keeping Stafford upright. The Falcons O/line may be better, but I wouldn't consider this as big a factor in Stafford's passing game as a lack of a decent running game or the fact that the Lions receivers led, or were near the top, of the league in dropped balls.

Playing the Saints defense x2yr - That would have been interesting to see if the Lions could have overcome their own deficiencies and taken advantage of the Saints defense. I'd say "yes" if it wasn't for the fact Brees and the Saints offense would totally demoralize Detroit on the other side of the ball ... oh wait, we saw it in the playoffs last year,

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Sorry for letting my 'Lions-ness' out, just part of my 'recovery' program,

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Tobias-Reiper · 02-06-2013, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

#1 TE - Brandon "get-that-boy-some-stick 'um" Pettigrew. Tony Scheffler is a close second & a fan favorite, but Brandon usually gets more opportunities to drop passes than Scheffler in any given game.
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That cracked me up.

SloMotion · 02-06-2013, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by mutineer10

Yeah, I gave myself some of that Brandt "wiggle room" with the "slightly better." Like you I'd call both Stafford and Ryan second-tier, there's no arguing they're quality starters. I mainly give Ryan an edge for durability (although Stafford did finally play in all 16 games this season) and consistency.

The tale of the tape (2012 Season):

QB Rating: Stafford 79.8, Ryan 99.1
Comp. %: Stafford 59.8%, Ryan 68.6%
Total Yds: Stafford 4,967, Ryan 4,719
TD / INT: Stafford 20 / 17, Ryan 32 / 14
Fumb / Lost: Stafford 6 / 4, Ryan 3 / 2

It's clear to me which QB I'd take in the debate. If you believe the stats don't lie - I personally believe they often do - it's not really close.

Now that I've defended Natty Arse, I'll end this threadjacking and go hang myself.

Ok, I'm gonna' help a brother out because there's now way I can let you go about your day feeling like you just made an argument for Matt Ryan,

. You see, stats are subjective and really only exist to support our own individual viewpoints, so one should never have to feel fully obligated to choosing Matt Ryan over a comparable QB. Feel better?

Let's go back a season, to that magical/mythical season that comes around for the Lions every decade or so ...

Tale of the Tape/2011

QB Rating: Stafford 97.2, Ryan 92.2
Comp. %: Stafford 63.5%, Ryan 61.3%
Total Yds: Stafford 5038, Ryan 4,177
TD / INT: Stafford 41 / 16, Ryan 29 / 12
Fumb / Lost: Stafford 5 / 4, Ryan 5 / 3 **yes, I know, but remember, stats are subjective.

Playoff record: Stafford 0-1, Ryan 1-5
Career Tackles: Stafford - 1, Ryan - 1 **I was looking for the 'tough guy' quotient

So, I guess you could argue when Stafford has the weapons and/or is healthy, he's your man over Ryan. At least I could. It's all hypothetical, of course, in the court of NFL QB's where you're ultimately judged on playoff wins & SuperBowls, of which there's only one between the two of them.

atltillidie · 02-06-2013, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

Ok, I'm gonna' help a brother out because there's now way I can let you go about your day feeling like you just made an argument for Matt Ryan, . You see, stats are subjective and really only exist to support our own individual viewpoints, so one should never have to feel fully obligated to choosing Matt Ryan over a comparable QB. Feel better?

Let's go back a season, to that magical/mythical season that comes around for the Lions every decade or so ...

Tale of the Tape/2011
QB Rating: Stafford 97.2, Ryan 92.2
Comp. %: Stafford 63.5%, Ryan 61.3%
Total Yds: Stafford 5038, Ryan 4,177
TD / INT: Stafford 41 / 16, Ryan 29 / 12
Fumb / Lost: Stafford 5 / 4, Ryan 5 / 3 **yes, I know, but remember, stats are subjective.

Playoff record: Stafford 0-1, Ryan 1-5
Career Tackles: Stafford - 1, Ryan - 1 **I was looking for the 'tough guy' quotient

So, I guess you could argue when Stafford has the weapons and/or is healthy, he's your man over Ryan. At least I could. It's all hypothetical, of course, in the court of NFL QB's where you're ultimately judged on playoff wins & SuperBowls, of which there's only one between the two of them.

You must take into account how much the ball was ran for both seasons, and how many passing attempts there were for each season. At this point, I don't think you can really say that Matt Stafford is much better accurately. Stafford had at least 100 more pass attempts than Ryan during both seasons.

2011 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN

2012 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN

We also ran the ball A LOT more than the Lions did. They didn't even qualify for the rushing stats category when the season was over.

2011 NFL Player Rushing Stats - National Football League - ESPN

2012 NFL Player Rushing Stats - National Football League - ESPN

The way both of our offenses were different in 2011 makes it hard to tell who's better accurately. I think Ryan is better than Stafford, but it would be easier to tell if they pass the ball just as much as we do, it could work the other way around. Passing the ball as much as the Lions do really knock your stats down. It's really hard to win passing the ball 45+ times a game.

02-04-2013, 06:17 AM	#3
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Julio Jones better than Calvin Johnson, Gil Brandt says Originally Posted by WillSaints81 I have to disagree there. Any qb that throws for 5,000 yards in a season is elite or soon to be. The lions lost eight games by seven points or less and five of them they were in position to win at the end. As for JJ being better, no way. If that were the case why does he not show up in some games. And if Ryan was better than Stafford then would that falcons offense be putting up the points the lions do in their games? the lions do score points, its their defense that hasnt done well. All valid points, and god knows I've been defending the Lions for 40+yrs, but the fact remains they always find a way snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and I'm tired of sticking up for them. Stafford vs Ryan is a great debate. I put 'em both in that second tier but I think when Mut10 says Ryan is 'slightly better', he may have a point (blech! puke! choke!, can't believe I'm saying that!). Stafford arguably does more with less, but is always fighting off some sort of injury and has yet to notch a playoff win, so I give a slight edge to Ryan (blech! puke! choke!). It's one of them deals where you'd like to see them switch places and see how they do. mutineer10 likes this.

02-04-2013, 07:25 AM	#4
mutineer10 Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 1,739	Re: Julio Jones better than Calvin Johnson, Gil Brandt says Originally Posted by SloMotion Stafford vs Ryan is a great debate. I put 'em both in that second tier but I think when Mut10 says Ryan is 'slightly better', he may have a point (blech! puke! choke!, can't believe I'm saying that!). Stafford arguably does more with less, but is always fighting off some sort of injury and has yet to notch a playoff win, so I give a slight edge to Ryan (blech! puke! choke!). It's one of them deals where you'd like to see them switch places and see how they do. Yeah, I gave myself some of that Brandt "wiggle room" with the "slightly better." Like you I'd call both Stafford and Ryan second-tier, there's no arguing they're quality starters. I mainly give Ryan an edge for durability (although Stafford did finally play in all 16 games this season) and consistency. The tale of the tape (2012 Season): QB Rating: Stafford 79.8, Ryan 99.1 Comp. %: Stafford 59.8%, Ryan 68.6% Total Yds: Stafford 4,967, Ryan 4,719 TD / INT: Stafford 20 / 17, Ryan 32 / 14 Fumb / Lost: Stafford 6 / 4, Ryan 3 / 2 It's clear to me which QB I'd take in the debate. If you believe the stats don't lie - I personally believe they often do - it's not really close. Now that I've defended Natty Arse, I'll end this threadjacking and go hang myself.

02-04-2013, 08:12 AM	#5
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Julio Jones better than Calvin Johnson, Gil Brandt says Originally Posted by mutineer10 Yeah, I gave myself some of that Brandt "wiggle room" with the "slightly better." Like you I'd call both Stafford and Ryan second-tier, there's no arguing they're quality starters. I mainly give Ryan an edge for durability (although Stafford did finally play in all 16 games this season) and consistency. The tale of the tape (2012 Season): QB Rating: Stafford 79.8, Ryan 99.1 Comp. %: Stafford 59.8%, Ryan 68.6% Total Yds: Stafford 4,967, Ryan 4,719 TD / INT: Stafford 20 / 17, Ryan 32 / 14 Fumb / Lost: Stafford 6 / 4, Ryan 3 / 2 It's clear to me which QB I'd take in the debate. If you believe the stats don't lie - I personally believe they often do - it's not really close. Now that I've defended Natty Arse, I'll end this threadjacking and go hang myself. Just thoroughly wash out those Ratty Mice thoughts with some battery acid. I can't promise that you'll survive, but at least it'll burn the negative memories from your mind.

02-04-2013, 04:09 PM	#6
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Julio Jones better than Calvin Johnson, Gil Brandt says Originally Posted by mutineer10 Yeah, I gave myself some of that Brandt "wiggle room" with the "slightly better." Like you I'd call both Stafford and Ryan second-tier, there's no arguing they're quality starters. I mainly give Ryan an edge for durability (although Stafford did finally play in all 16 games this season) and consistency. The tale of the tape (2012 Season): QB Rating: Stafford 79.8, Ryan 99.1 Comp. %: Stafford 59.8%, Ryan 68.6% Total Yds: Stafford 4,967, Ryan 4,719 TD / INT: Stafford 20 / 17, Ryan 32 / 14 Fumb / Lost: Stafford 6 / 4, Ryan 3 / 2 It's clear to me which QB I'd take in the debate. If you believe the stats don't lie - I personally believe they often do - it's not really close. Now that I've defended Natty Arse, I'll end this threadjacking and go hang myself. So, let's say, for the sake of argument, we take Julio and Calvin out of the equation. Who is the Lions' #2 WR? (without looking i up) Who is the Lions' #1 TE? (without looking it up) How good is the Lions' O-line at keeping Stafford upright in comparison to Matty Melt and his O-line? BTW, I am no math genius, but I believe 6/4 = 3/2 Did Stafford get to play against the Saints D twice last year? I rest my case. Oh, and I doing this for your own good mutineer10 and SloMotion like this.

02-06-2013, 07:06 AM	#7
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Julio Jones better than Calvin Johnson, Gil Brandt says Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper So, let's say, for the sake of argument, we take Julio and Calvin out of the equation. Who is the Lions' #2 WR? (without looking i up) Who is the Lions' #1 TE? (without looking it up) How good is the Lions' O-line at keeping Stafford upright in comparison to Matty Melt and his O-line? BTW, I am no math genius, but I believe 6/4 = 3/2 Did Stafford get to play against the Saints D twice last year? I rest my case. Oh, and I doing this for your own good I can answer those without looking it up! #2 WR - Nate Burleson (injured), Titus Young (headcase/DNP), Ryan Broyles (injured), Mike Thomas? (no), Kris Durham? (no), Brian Robiske? (who?). If you go by catches, it would be Titus Young, which kind of shows you the shape the Lions receiving corps was in. #1 TE - Brandon "get-that-boy-some-stick 'um" Pettigrew. Tony Scheffler is a close second & a fan favorite, but Brandon usually gets more opportunities to drop passes than Scheffler in any given game. Lions O/line vs. Falcons O/line - The Lions offensive line is surprisingly good at keeping Stafford upright. The Falcons O/line may be better, but I wouldn't consider this as big a factor in Stafford's passing game as a lack of a decent running game or the fact that the Lions receivers led, or were near the top, of the league in dropped balls. Playing the Saints defense x2yr - That would have been interesting to see if the Lions could have overcome their own deficiencies and taken advantage of the Saints defense. I'd say "yes" if it wasn't for the fact Brees and the Saints offense would totally demoralize Detroit on the other side of the ball ... oh wait, we saw it in the playoffs last year, . Sorry for letting my 'Lions-ness' out, just part of my 'recovery' program, . Tobias-Reiper likes this.

02-03-2013, 11:01 AM	#1
mutineer10 Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 1,739	Re: Julio Jones better than Calvin Johnson, Gil Brandt says Usually Brandt is pretty spot-on, but I can't agree here. I like Julio - as a Bama fan, not a Failcons one - but he wasn't even the most productive WR on his own TEAM this season. And frankly, Natty Arse is a slightly-better QB than Matt Stafford. Johnson produces more with less around him - no quality #2 WR, no consistent running game, shaky O-line - so I gotta give him the edge. No doubt Julio is up-and-coming fast, though.

02-03-2013, 11:54 PM	#2
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,276	Re: Julio Jones better than Calvin Johnson, Gil Brandt says Originally Posted by mutineer10 Usually Brandt is pretty spot-on, but I can't agree here. I like Julio - as a Bama fan, not a Failcons one - but he wasn't even the most productive WR on his own TEAM this season. And frankly, Natty Arse is a slightly-better QB than Matt Stafford. Johnson produces more with less around him - no quality #2 WR, no consistent running game, shaky O-line - so I gotta give him the edge. No doubt Julio is up-and-coming fast, though. I have to disagree there. Any qb that throws for 5,000 yards in a season is elite or soon to be. The lions lost eight games by seven points or less and five of them they were in position to win at the end. As for JJ being better, no way. If that were the case why does he not show up in some games. And if Ryan was better than Stafford then would that falcons offense be putting up the points the lions do in their games? the lions do score points, its their defense that hasnt done well.

02-06-2013, 10:41 AM	#8
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Julio Jones better than Calvin Johnson, Gil Brandt says Originally Posted by SloMotion #1 TE - Brandon "get-that-boy-some-stick 'um" Pettigrew. Tony Scheffler is a close second & a fan favorite, but Brandon usually gets more opportunities to drop passes than Scheffler in any given game. . That cracked me up.

02-06-2013, 06:41 AM	#9
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Julio Jones better than Calvin Johnson, Gil Brandt says Originally Posted by mutineer10 Yeah, I gave myself some of that Brandt "wiggle room" with the "slightly better." Like you I'd call both Stafford and Ryan second-tier, there's no arguing they're quality starters. I mainly give Ryan an edge for durability (although Stafford did finally play in all 16 games this season) and consistency. The tale of the tape (2012 Season): QB Rating: Stafford 79.8, Ryan 99.1 Comp. %: Stafford 59.8%, Ryan 68.6% Total Yds: Stafford 4,967, Ryan 4,719 TD / INT: Stafford 20 / 17, Ryan 32 / 14 Fumb / Lost: Stafford 6 / 4, Ryan 3 / 2 It's clear to me which QB I'd take in the debate. If you believe the stats don't lie - I personally believe they often do - it's not really close. Now that I've defended Natty Arse, I'll end this threadjacking and go hang myself. Ok, I'm gonna' help a brother out because there's now way I can let you go about your day feeling like you just made an argument for Matt Ryan, . You see, stats are subjective and really only exist to support our own individual viewpoints, so one should never have to feel fully obligated to choosing Matt Ryan over a comparable QB. Feel better? Let's go back a season, to that magical/mythical season that comes around for the Lions every decade or so ... Tale of the Tape/2011 QB Rating: Stafford 97.2, Ryan 92.2 Comp. %: Stafford 63.5%, Ryan 61.3% Total Yds: Stafford 5038, Ryan 4,177 TD / INT: Stafford 41 / 16, Ryan 29 / 12 Fumb / Lost: Stafford 5 / 4, Ryan 5 / 3 *yes, I know, but remember, stats are subjective. Playoff record: Stafford 0-1, Ryan 1-5 Career Tackles: Stafford - 1, Ryan - 1 *I was looking for the 'tough guy' quotient So, I guess you could argue when Stafford has the weapons and/or is healthy, he's your man over Ryan. At least I could. It's all hypothetical, of course, in the court of NFL QB's where you're ultimately judged on playoff wins & SuperBowls, of which there's only one between the two of them.

02-06-2013, 06:51 PM	#10
atltillidie 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 432	Re: Julio Jones better than Calvin Johnson, Gil Brandt says Originally Posted by SloMotion Ok, I'm gonna' help a brother out because there's now way I can let you go about your day feeling like you just made an argument for Matt Ryan, . You see, stats are subjective and really only exist to support our own individual viewpoints, so one should never have to feel fully obligated to choosing Matt Ryan over a comparable QB. Feel better? Let's go back a season, to that magical/mythical season that comes around for the Lions every decade or so ... Tale of the Tape/2011 QB Rating: Stafford 97.2, Ryan 92.2 Comp. %: Stafford 63.5%, Ryan 61.3% Total Yds: Stafford 5038, Ryan 4,177 TD / INT: Stafford 41 / 16, Ryan 29 / 12 Fumb / Lost: Stafford 5 / 4, Ryan 5 / 3 *yes, I know, but remember, stats are subjective. Playoff record: Stafford 0-1, Ryan 1-5 Career Tackles: Stafford - 1, Ryan - 1 *I was looking for the 'tough guy' quotient So, I guess you could argue when Stafford has the weapons and/or is healthy, he's your man over Ryan. At least I could. It's all hypothetical, of course, in the court of NFL QB's where you're ultimately judged on playoff wins & SuperBowls, of which there's only one between the two of them. You must take into account how much the ball was ran for both seasons, and how many passing attempts there were for each season. At this point, I don't think you can really say that Matt Stafford is much better accurately. Stafford had at least 100 more pass attempts than Ryan during both seasons. 2011 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN 2012 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN We also ran the ball A LOT more than the Lions did. They didn't even qualify for the rushing stats category when the season was over. 2011 NFL Player Rushing Stats - National Football League - ESPN 2012 NFL Player Rushing Stats - National Football League - ESPN The way both of our offenses were different in 2011 makes it hard to tell who's better accurately. I think Ryan is better than Stafford, but it would be easier to tell if they pass the ball just as much as we do, it could work the other way around. Passing the ball as much as the Lions do really knock your stats down. It's really hard to win passing the ball 45+ times a game.