Julio Jones better than Calvin Johnson, Gil Brandt says

Tobias-Reiper · 02-03-2013, 12:34 PM

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WillSaints81 · 02-04-2013, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by mutineer10

Usually Brandt is pretty spot-on, but I can't agree here. I like Julio - as a Bama fan, not a Failcons one - but he wasn't even the most productive WR on his own TEAM this season.

And frankly, Natty Arse is a slightly-better QB than Matt Stafford.

Johnson produces more with less around him - no quality #2 WR, no consistent running game, shaky O-line - so I gotta give him the edge. No doubt Julio is up-and-coming fast, though.

I have to disagree there. Any qb that throws for 5,000 yards in a season is elite or soon to be. The lions lost eight games by seven points or less and five of them they were in position to win at the end. As for JJ being better, no way. If that were the case why does he not show up in some games. And if Ryan was better than Stafford then would that falcons offense be putting up the points the lions do in their games? the lions do score points, its their defense that hasnt done well.

SloMotion · 02-04-2013, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

I have to disagree there. Any qb that throws for 5,000 yards in a season is elite or soon to be. The lions lost eight games by seven points or less and five of them they were in position to win at the end. As for JJ being better, no way. If that were the case why does he not show up in some games. And if Ryan was better than Stafford then would that falcons offense be putting up the points the lions do in their games? the lions do score points, its their defense that hasnt done well.

All valid points, and god knows I've been defending the Lions for 40+yrs, but the fact remains they always find a way snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and I'm tired of sticking up for them. Stafford vs Ryan is a great debate. I put 'em both in that second tier but I think when Mut10 says Ryan is 'slightly better', he may have a point (blech! puke! choke!, can't believe I'm saying that!). Stafford arguably does more with less, but is always fighting off some sort of injury and has yet to notch a playoff win, so I give a slight edge to Ryan (blech! puke! choke!).

It's one of them deals where you'd like to see them switch places and see how they do.

SloMotion · 02-04-2013, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by mutineer10

Usually Brandt is pretty spot-on, but I can't agree here. I like Julio - as a Bama fan, not a Failcons one - but he wasn't even the most productive WR on his own TEAM this season.

And frankly, Natty Arse is a slightly-better QB than Matt Stafford.

Johnson produces more with less around him - no quality #2 WR, no consistent running game, shaky O-line - so I gotta give him the edge. No doubt Julio is up-and-coming fast, though.

The Lions O/line is actually one of the better lines in the pass-blocking department, run-blocking not so much. I say this not to up Stafford in the Stafford/Ryan debate, but in defense of the much maligned Lions offensive line, which really isn't that bad.

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Now that I've gotten over the initial shock of the title to the thread, I did notice Brandt said, "they're both pretty good" and "I like Julio a little better then Johnson", so there's some wiggle room there & not a total declaration for Jones.

I kept waiting for Randy Moss to be interfected into the conversation as well,

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TheOak · 02-04-2013, 07:50 AM

If you listen to NFLSirius Gill Brandt is a huge Matt Ryan fan..

SloMotion · 02-04-2013, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

If you listen to NFLSirius Gill Brandt is a huge Matt Ryan fan..

... a pretty serious character flaw, IMO.

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mutineer10 · 02-04-2013, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

Stafford vs Ryan is a great debate. I put 'em both in that second tier but I think when Mut10 says Ryan is 'slightly better', he may have a point (blech! puke! choke!, can't believe I'm saying that!). Stafford arguably does more with less, but is always fighting off some sort of injury and has yet to notch a playoff win, so I give a slight edge to Ryan (blech! puke! choke!).

It's one of them deals where you'd like to see them switch places and see how they do.

Yeah, I gave myself some of that Brandt "wiggle room" with the "slightly better." Like you I'd call both Stafford and Ryan second-tier, there's no arguing they're quality starters. I mainly give Ryan an edge for durability (although Stafford did finally play in all 16 games this season) and consistency.

The tale of the tape (2012 Season):

QB Rating: Stafford 79.8, Ryan 99.1
Comp. %: Stafford 59.8%, Ryan 68.6%
Total Yds: Stafford 4,967, Ryan 4,719
TD / INT: Stafford 20 / 17, Ryan 32 / 14
Fumb / Lost: Stafford 6 / 4, Ryan 3 / 2

It's clear to me which QB I'd take in the debate. If you believe the stats don't lie - I personally believe they often do - it's not really close.

Now that I've defended Natty Arse, I'll end this threadjacking and go hang myself.

burningmetal · 02-04-2013, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by mutineer10

Yeah, I gave myself some of that Brandt "wiggle room" with the "slightly better." Like you I'd call both Stafford and Ryan second-tier, there's no arguing they're quality starters. I mainly give Ryan an edge for durability (although Stafford did finally play in all 16 games this season) and consistency.

The tale of the tape (2012 Season):

QB Rating: Stafford 79.8, Ryan 99.1
Comp. %: Stafford 59.8%, Ryan 68.6%
Total Yds: Stafford 4,967, Ryan 4,719
TD / INT: Stafford 20 / 17, Ryan 32 / 14
Fumb / Lost: Stafford 6 / 4, Ryan 3 / 2

It's clear to me which QB I'd take in the debate. If you believe the stats don't lie - I personally believe they often do - it's not really close.

Now that I've defended Natty Arse, I'll end this threadjacking and go hang myself.

Just thoroughly wash out those Ratty Mice thoughts with some battery acid. I can't promise that you'll survive, but at least it'll burn the negative memories from your mind.

Tobias-Reiper · 02-04-2013, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by mutineer10

Yeah, I gave myself some of that Brandt "wiggle room" with the "slightly better." Like you I'd call both Stafford and Ryan second-tier, there's no arguing they're quality starters. I mainly give Ryan an edge for durability (although Stafford did finally play in all 16 games this season) and consistency.

The tale of the tape (2012 Season):

QB Rating: Stafford 79.8, Ryan 99.1
Comp. %: Stafford 59.8%, Ryan 68.6%
Total Yds: Stafford 4,967, Ryan 4,719
TD / INT: Stafford 20 / 17, Ryan 32 / 14
Fumb / Lost: Stafford 6 / 4, Ryan 3 / 2

It's clear to me which QB I'd take in the debate. If you believe the stats don't lie - I personally believe they often do - it's not really close.

Now that I've defended Natty Arse, I'll end this threadjacking and go hang myself.

So, let's say, for the sake of argument, we take Julio and Calvin out of the equation.
Who is the Lions' #2 WR? (without looking i up)
Who is the Lions' #1 TE? (without looking it up)
How good is the Lions' O-line at keeping Stafford upright in comparison to Matty Melt and his O-line? BTW, I am no math genius, but I believe 6/4 = 3/2

Did Stafford get to play against the Saints D twice last year?

I rest my case.

Oh, and I doing this for your own good

QBREES9 · 02-05-2013, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

If you listen to NFLSirius Gill Brandt is a huge Matt Ryan fan..

Thats a dam shame.

02-03-2013, 12:34 PM	#11
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Julio Jones better than Calvin Johnson, Gil Brandt says There used to be a time when the editor of a newspaper would read what their one sportswriter with an opinion wrote, and make a decision as to whether the piece had any merit. Today, that has been replaced by the number of unique web hits. mutineer10 and SloMotion like this.

02-04-2013, 12:54 AM	#12
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Julio Jones better than Calvin Johnson, Gil Brandt says Originally Posted by mutineer10 Usually Brandt is pretty spot-on, but I can't agree here. I like Julio - as a Bama fan, not a Failcons one - but he wasn't even the most productive WR on his own TEAM this season. And frankly, Natty Arse is a slightly-better QB than Matt Stafford. Johnson produces more with less around him - no quality #2 WR, no consistent running game, shaky O-line - so I gotta give him the edge. No doubt Julio is up-and-coming fast, though. I have to disagree there. Any qb that throws for 5,000 yards in a season is elite or soon to be. The lions lost eight games by seven points or less and five of them they were in position to win at the end. As for JJ being better, no way. If that were the case why does he not show up in some games. And if Ryan was better than Stafford then would that falcons offense be putting up the points the lions do in their games? the lions do score points, its their defense that hasnt done well.

02-04-2013, 07:17 AM	#13
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Julio Jones better than Calvin Johnson, Gil Brandt says Originally Posted by WillSaints81 I have to disagree there. Any qb that throws for 5,000 yards in a season is elite or soon to be. The lions lost eight games by seven points or less and five of them they were in position to win at the end. As for JJ being better, no way. If that were the case why does he not show up in some games. And if Ryan was better than Stafford then would that falcons offense be putting up the points the lions do in their games? the lions do score points, its their defense that hasnt done well. All valid points, and god knows I've been defending the Lions for 40+yrs, but the fact remains they always find a way snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and I'm tired of sticking up for them. Stafford vs Ryan is a great debate. I put 'em both in that second tier but I think when Mut10 says Ryan is 'slightly better', he may have a point (blech! puke! choke!, can't believe I'm saying that!). Stafford arguably does more with less, but is always fighting off some sort of injury and has yet to notch a playoff win, so I give a slight edge to Ryan (blech! puke! choke!). It's one of them deals where you'd like to see them switch places and see how they do. mutineer10 likes this.

02-04-2013, 07:26 AM	#14
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Julio Jones better than Calvin Johnson, Gil Brandt says Originally Posted by mutineer10 Usually Brandt is pretty spot-on, but I can't agree here. I like Julio - as a Bama fan, not a Failcons one - but he wasn't even the most productive WR on his own TEAM this season. And frankly, Natty Arse is a slightly-better QB than Matt Stafford. Johnson produces more with less around him - no quality #2 WR, no consistent running game, shaky O-line - so I gotta give him the edge. No doubt Julio is up-and-coming fast, though. The Lions O/line is actually one of the better lines in the pass-blocking department, run-blocking not so much. I say this not to up Stafford in the Stafford/Ryan debate, but in defense of the much maligned Lions offensive line, which really isn't that bad. . Now that I've gotten over the initial shock of the title to the thread, I did notice Brandt said, "they're both pretty good" and "I like Julio a little better then Johnson", so there's some wiggle room there & not a total declaration for Jones. I kept waiting for Randy Moss to be interfected into the conversation as well, .

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02-04-2013, 07:57 AM	#16
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Julio Jones better than Calvin Johnson, Gil Brandt says Originally Posted by TheOak If you listen to NFLSirius Gill Brandt is a huge Matt Ryan fan.. ... a pretty serious character flaw, IMO. .

02-04-2013, 08:25 AM	#17
mutineer10 Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 1,739	Re: Julio Jones better than Calvin Johnson, Gil Brandt says Originally Posted by SloMotion Stafford vs Ryan is a great debate. I put 'em both in that second tier but I think when Mut10 says Ryan is 'slightly better', he may have a point (blech! puke! choke!, can't believe I'm saying that!). Stafford arguably does more with less, but is always fighting off some sort of injury and has yet to notch a playoff win, so I give a slight edge to Ryan (blech! puke! choke!). It's one of them deals where you'd like to see them switch places and see how they do. Yeah, I gave myself some of that Brandt "wiggle room" with the "slightly better." Like you I'd call both Stafford and Ryan second-tier, there's no arguing they're quality starters. I mainly give Ryan an edge for durability (although Stafford did finally play in all 16 games this season) and consistency. The tale of the tape (2012 Season): QB Rating: Stafford 79.8, Ryan 99.1 Comp. %: Stafford 59.8%, Ryan 68.6% Total Yds: Stafford 4,967, Ryan 4,719 TD / INT: Stafford 20 / 17, Ryan 32 / 14 Fumb / Lost: Stafford 6 / 4, Ryan 3 / 2 It's clear to me which QB I'd take in the debate. If you believe the stats don't lie - I personally believe they often do - it's not really close. Now that I've defended Natty Arse, I'll end this threadjacking and go hang myself.

02-04-2013, 09:12 AM	#18
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Julio Jones better than Calvin Johnson, Gil Brandt says Originally Posted by mutineer10 Yeah, I gave myself some of that Brandt "wiggle room" with the "slightly better." Like you I'd call both Stafford and Ryan second-tier, there's no arguing they're quality starters. I mainly give Ryan an edge for durability (although Stafford did finally play in all 16 games this season) and consistency. The tale of the tape (2012 Season): QB Rating: Stafford 79.8, Ryan 99.1 Comp. %: Stafford 59.8%, Ryan 68.6% Total Yds: Stafford 4,967, Ryan 4,719 TD / INT: Stafford 20 / 17, Ryan 32 / 14 Fumb / Lost: Stafford 6 / 4, Ryan 3 / 2 It's clear to me which QB I'd take in the debate. If you believe the stats don't lie - I personally believe they often do - it's not really close. Now that I've defended Natty Arse, I'll end this threadjacking and go hang myself. Just thoroughly wash out those Ratty Mice thoughts with some battery acid. I can't promise that you'll survive, but at least it'll burn the negative memories from your mind.

02-04-2013, 05:09 PM	#19
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Julio Jones better than Calvin Johnson, Gil Brandt says Originally Posted by mutineer10 Yeah, I gave myself some of that Brandt "wiggle room" with the "slightly better." Like you I'd call both Stafford and Ryan second-tier, there's no arguing they're quality starters. I mainly give Ryan an edge for durability (although Stafford did finally play in all 16 games this season) and consistency. The tale of the tape (2012 Season): QB Rating: Stafford 79.8, Ryan 99.1 Comp. %: Stafford 59.8%, Ryan 68.6% Total Yds: Stafford 4,967, Ryan 4,719 TD / INT: Stafford 20 / 17, Ryan 32 / 14 Fumb / Lost: Stafford 6 / 4, Ryan 3 / 2 It's clear to me which QB I'd take in the debate. If you believe the stats don't lie - I personally believe they often do - it's not really close. Now that I've defended Natty Arse, I'll end this threadjacking and go hang myself. So, let's say, for the sake of argument, we take Julio and Calvin out of the equation. Who is the Lions' #2 WR? (without looking i up) Who is the Lions' #1 TE? (without looking it up) How good is the Lions' O-line at keeping Stafford upright in comparison to Matty Melt and his O-line? BTW, I am no math genius, but I believe 6/4 = 3/2 Did Stafford get to play against the Saints D twice last year? I rest my case. Oh, and I doing this for your own good mutineer10 and SloMotion like this.

02-05-2013, 12:33 AM	#20
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Re: Julio Jones better than Calvin Johnson, Gil Brandt says Originally Posted by TheOak If you listen to NFLSirius Gill Brandt is a huge Matt Ryan fan.. Thats a dam shame.