Team asks prospect, “Do you like girls?”

Danno · 02-28-2013, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I'm not a homophobe but gay men make me uncomfortable. I would think that most athletes in a locker room don't want to have a gay man in the next locker checking them out. I know some gay men that I run into occasionally and they always give me "the once over" and it creeps me out!

I play against a gay rugby team out of Atlanta and the party afterward is always extremely awkward. Is that the kind of uneasiness that you want in your locker room?

I chuckled at this. Probably because I'm too often childish but that sounded funny. Sounds like the beginning of a joke.

SloMotion · 02-28-2013, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat

On that basis Clo' every who has work collegaues should be asked which is down right silly. The "direct physical contact" thing is hardly sexual - or iit wasn't the last time I saw a triple clipping penalty.

I think where we are going with all this is that some sensitives are wishing a world of exactly their requirements whilst other sensitives are preceiving a problem for groups of prople they do not understand.

Sometimes it is better to just get on with the job without knowing absolutely everything about every one of your collegaues.

No, I specifically said 'considering the environment he would be working in' and made the point he was not going to be hired in a normal, everyday, run-of-the-mill job, in which case, I would totally agree with you that you're better off not knowing everything about your colleagues. As he's being considered to play in the uber-macho world of professional football, some players may feel uncomfortable being around that and I feel an owner, who is going to invest millions of dollars in this guy, has the right to be able to make an informed decision as to whether they want to risk possibly disrupting their locker room or not. Some owners are probably willing to make that social statement, some may not, but they have the right to know. Political correctness is all well & good, but the bottom line/reality is that it stops being applicable on the field or in the locker room where everyone may not accept it and may not necessarily feel they have to. It may not be right in today's politically correct society, but it is reality.

I don't care what they do with the guy, I just hate talking about the draft and this was the only offseason thread I felt like commenting in at the moment. His sexual orientation doesn't concern me other than the fact if he's expecting to be paid at the NFL level, it shouldn't be a problem answering any question your future employer may have for you one way or the other.

Originally Posted by Danno

I chuckled at this. Probably because I'm too often childish but that sounded funny. Sounds like the beginning of a joke.

, me too ... my first thought was, "Of course Atlanta would have a gay rugby team, ".

NOS2SB · 03-01-2013, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I'm not a homophobe but gay men make me uncomfortable. I would think that most athletes in a locker room don't want to have a gay man in the next locker checking them out. I know some gay men that I run into occasionally and they always give me "the once over" and it creeps me out!

I play against a gay rugby team out of Atlanta and the party afterward is always extremely awkward. Is that the kind of uneasiness that you want in your locker room?

I feel you Rugby. Not literally. lol.

NOLA54 · 03-05-2013, 05:06 PM

I can assure you that whether gay or lesbian no one is checking out every thing that moves. If you are uncomfortable that is on you not the gay guy next to you. This issue is about equality.

Danno · 03-05-2013, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by NOLA54

I can assure you that whether gay or lesbian no one is checking out every thing that moves. If you are uncomfortable that is on you not the gay guy next to you. This issue is about equality.

Just a hypothetical...

If the vast majority of your team's players have a problem with it (and polls have shown most do), do you...

A- Tell them tough crap, get over it, and risk them leaving for another team without that type of player

B- Try to protect your zillion dollar investment by avoiding what your players refuse to be a part of.

Its not about equality at all. Its a business decision and a very gray area.

Just as it is when companies try to attract Muslim owned companies. If you send a woman in to negotiate, you will NOT get the bid and companies know this. And the women that work for these companies know it too. They know when to pick their battles. I've witnerssed this 1st hand. Its not fair, but its reality.

BTW: once the bid was awarded the demographics of the project team went back to normal. Its just how the game is played.

SloMotion · 03-07-2013, 06:02 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

... Its a business decision and a very gray area ...

That's where I'm at on the whole thing. Technically, they're not asking T'eo his sexual orientation, they're simply asking him, "do you like girls?". He could be homosexual and still answer, "yes". It's the same way, I believe, that employers cannot ask you your age (?), but can ask when you graduated high school/college and basically get a rough estimate. Employers can ask for credit checks. Employers can give those 64-question psychological evaluations to determine a potential employees compatability within a company, why can't you ask a potential draft pick 'if he likes girls' to determine his compatibility in an NFL lockerroom?. Especially when you're investing millions of dollars.

So Danno, other then the whole Michigan vs Alabama, union vs non-union, right-to-work vs union, domestic vs foreign automakers, aerospace vs automotive, U of Michigan vs U of Alabama, Les Miles vs Nick Saban, NFC North vs NFC South, oatmeal-for-breakfast vs grits-for-breakfast stuff ... we're not so different, you & I.

FinSaint · 02-28-2013, 07:15 PM

I see no problem with a question about one's sexuality if it's not used as a deciding factor, since it is a part of what makes a person - not what embodies a person, but a key part nonetheless.

I have a close friend who is gay and couple of gay acquaintances, but I'm not someone who should be considered an expert on the subject... still I do think there are some fundamental differences in the way - I as a heterosexual and they as homosexuals - look at and react to various things and situations.

I mean it would be equally wrong if a player was picked with him being gay having been the deciding factor during the process, but it still wouldn't make the original question any more wrong. And in any case, the players have the right not to answer a question if they so desire, even though it probably does hurt their interview grades.

SmashMouth · 03-01-2013, 11:21 AM

NFL.com's Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks came out of combine week with plenty to say about Margus Hunt, the 6-foot-8, 277-pound SMU defensive end who excelled in drills and generated plenty of buzz.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/0ap2000000146150/Margus-Hunt-on-NFL-Scouting-Combine

On the heels of his head-turning 4.60-second 40-yard dash and outstanding drill work, Hunt sat down with "NFL AM" on Friday to talk about his experiences in Indy, specifically his one-on-one team interviews.

Mark Kriegel asked Hunt if he was questioned about whether or not he liked girls, an interrogation Colorado tight end Nick Kasa claims he endured from at least one NFL team.

"Well, they always ask if you have a girlfriend or not, so, that didn't make me uncomfortable whatsoever," Hunt said. "Any other question besides that was simple, straightforward, questionnaire thing we had to fill out for ourselves and we just had to talk about football, so I didn't feel uncomfortable at all."

Teams want to find out if Hunt fits the bill as a five-technique end, but we've also learned this week that at least some front-office types are just as interested in a player's sexual orientation. The question itself is as awkward as it embarrassing for any prospect. It's also in violation of league guidelines, and the NFL is looking into Kasa's account. Hunt doesn't appear bothered by the questioning, but that won't soften the league's investigation.

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lee909 · 03-01-2013, 11:41 AM

If we had a second rounder if move up to get him,or if we can move down to the back end of the first I'd snap him up.15th is too big a reach IMO.

Tobias-Reiper · 03-01-2013, 11:47 AM

It may be just me, but I think one has to be very insecure in his manhood to feel threaten or uneasy around happies, even if in a shower in a locker room.

Maybe they need to start asking prospects about penis size as well. Why, that could also be VERY disruptive in the locker room. Imagine what would happen in a locker room when a new player who just signed the $10 mil a year guaranteed contract goes into the showers sporting a 2 incher, with half the team in there...

That combine would certainly get interesting.. I can hear Mayock now:
"There's John Do'e, ILB, from Tinnywinny State. Great football instincts, ran a 4.25 40, a 6.2 cone drill, 47" vertical jump... but he only measures 4 1/5 inches erected. That could be very disruptive in the locker room, and no owner is going to want to commit 1st round money to a potential locker room disruption".

02-28-2013, 04:58 PM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: Team asks prospect, “Do you like girls?” Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I'm not a homophobe but gay men make me uncomfortable. I would think that most athletes in a locker room don't want to have a gay man in the next locker checking them out. I know some gay men that I run into occasionally and they always give me "the once over" and it creeps me out! I play against a gay rugby team out of Atlanta and the party afterward is always extremely awkward. Is that the kind of uneasiness that you want in your locker room? I chuckled at this. Probably because I'm too often childish but that sounded funny. Sounds like the beginning of a joke.

02-28-2013, 07:11 PM	#2
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Team asks prospect, “Do you like girls?” Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat On that basis Clo' every who has work collegaues should be asked which is down right silly. The "direct physical contact" thing is hardly sexual - or iit wasn't the last time I saw a triple clipping penalty. I think where we are going with all this is that some sensitives are wishing a world of exactly their requirements whilst other sensitives are preceiving a problem for groups of prople they do not understand. Sometimes it is better to just get on with the job without knowing absolutely everything about every one of your collegaues. No, I specifically said 'considering the environment he would be working in' and made the point he was not going to be hired in a normal, everyday, run-of-the-mill job, in which case, I would totally agree with you that you're better off not knowing everything about your colleagues. As he's being considered to play in the uber-macho world of professional football, some players may feel uncomfortable being around that and I feel an owner, who is going to invest millions of dollars in this guy, has the right to be able to make an informed decision as to whether they want to risk possibly disrupting their locker room or not. Some owners are probably willing to make that social statement, some may not, but they have the right to know. Political correctness is all well & good, but the bottom line/reality is that it stops being applicable on the field or in the locker room where everyone may not accept it and may not necessarily feel they have to. It may not be right in today's politically correct society, but it is reality. I don't care what they do with the guy, I just hate talking about the draft and this was the only offseason thread I felt like commenting in at the moment. His sexual orientation doesn't concern me other than the fact if he's expecting to be paid at the NFL level, it shouldn't be a problem answering any question your future employer may have for you one way or the other. Originally Posted by Danno I chuckled at this. Probably because I'm too often childish but that sounded funny. Sounds like the beginning of a joke. , me too ... my first thought was, "Of course Atlanta would have a gay rugby team, ".

03-01-2013, 12:03 PM	#3
NOS2SB Shampoo Join Date: May 2011 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 454	Re: Team asks prospect, “Do you like girls?” Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I'm not a homophobe but gay men make me uncomfortable. I would think that most athletes in a locker room don't want to have a gay man in the next locker checking them out. I know some gay men that I run into occasionally and they always give me "the once over" and it creeps me out! I play against a gay rugby team out of Atlanta and the party afterward is always extremely awkward. Is that the kind of uneasiness that you want in your locker room? I feel you Rugby. Not literally. lol.

03-05-2013, 05:06 PM	#4
NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,708 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Team asks prospect, “Do you like girls?” I can assure you that whether gay or lesbian no one is checking out every thing that moves. If you are uncomfortable that is on you not the gay guy next to you. This issue is about equality.

03-05-2013, 06:11 PM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: Team asks prospect, “Do you like girls?” Originally Posted by NOLA54 I can assure you that whether gay or lesbian no one is checking out every thing that moves. If you are uncomfortable that is on you not the gay guy next to you. This issue is about equality. Just a hypothetical... If the vast majority of your team's players have a problem with it (and polls have shown most do), do you... A- Tell them tough crap, get over it, and risk them leaving for another team without that type of player B- Try to protect your zillion dollar investment by avoiding what your players refuse to be a part of. Its not about equality at all. Its a business decision and a very gray area. Just as it is when companies try to attract Muslim owned companies. If you send a woman in to negotiate, you will NOT get the bid and companies know this. And the women that work for these companies know it too. They know when to pick their battles. I've witnerssed this 1st hand. Its not fair, but its reality. BTW: once the bid was awarded the demographics of the project team went back to normal. Its just how the game is played.

03-07-2013, 06:02 AM	#6
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Team asks prospect, “Do you like girls?” Originally Posted by Danno ... Its a business decision and a very gray area ... That's where I'm at on the whole thing. Technically, they're not asking T'eo his sexual orientation, they're simply asking him, "do you like girls?". He could be homosexual and still answer, "yes". It's the same way, I believe, that employers cannot ask you your age (?), but can ask when you graduated high school/college and basically get a rough estimate. Employers can ask for credit checks. Employers can give those 64-question psychological evaluations to determine a potential employees compatability within a company, why can't you ask a potential draft pick 'if he likes girls' to determine his compatibility in an NFL lockerroom?. Especially when you're investing millions of dollars. So Danno, other then the whole Michigan vs Alabama, union vs non-union, right-to-work vs union, domestic vs foreign automakers, aerospace vs automotive, U of Michigan vs U of Alabama, Les Miles vs Nick Saban, NFC North vs NFC South, oatmeal-for-breakfast vs grits-for-breakfast stuff ... we're not so different, you & I.

02-28-2013, 07:15 PM	#7
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Team asks prospect, “Do you like girls?” I see no problem with a question about one's sexuality if it's not used as a deciding factor, since it is a part of what makes a person - not what embodies a person, but a key part nonetheless. I have a close friend who is gay and couple of gay acquaintances, but I'm not someone who should be considered an expert on the subject... still I do think there are some fundamental differences in the way - I as a heterosexual and they as homosexuals - look at and react to various things and situations. I mean it would be equally wrong if a player was picked with him being gay having been the deciding factor during the process, but it still wouldn't make the original question any more wrong. And in any case, the players have the right not to answer a question if they so desire, even though it probably does hurt their interview grades.
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03-01-2013, 11:41 AM	#9
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,855 Blog Entries: 1	If we had a second rounder if move up to get him,or if we can move down to the back end of the first I'd snap him up.15th is too big a reach IMO.

03-01-2013, 11:47 AM	#10
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Team asks prospect, “Do you like girls?” It may be just me, but I think one has to be very insecure in his manhood to feel threaten or uneasy around happies, even if in a shower in a locker room. Maybe they need to start asking prospects about penis size as well. Why, that could also be VERY disruptive in the locker room. Imagine what would happen in a locker room when a new player who just signed the $10 mil a year guaranteed contract goes into the showers sporting a 2 incher, with half the team in there... That combine would certainly get interesting.. I can hear Mayock now: "There's John Do'e, ILB, from Tinnywinny State. Great football instincts, ran a 4.25 40, a 6.2 cone drill, 47" vertical jump... but he only measures 4 1/5 inches erected. That could be very disruptive in the locker room, and no owner is going to want to commit 1st round money to a potential locker room disruption". mutineer10 likes this.
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