Falcons and Ryan agree to new deal

ChrisXVI · 07-26-2013, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Just a guess, but I think he's probably of the opinion that they paid a B-Plus QB A-Plus money.

He'd be right too.

Sure Matt Ryan is a B+ QB, but that's why I'm interested in his take... He's been critical of the Falcons in his posts so I think he'd have a level-headed take on the situation. Not trying to bait an argument, just curious because it's the kind of deal that changes the future of an organization.

Danno · 07-26-2013, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by Spot on Dtan

Chris XVI,

In his old age, 'King Arthur' seems to have something confused.

He is a "bottom third" QB.

Not the "third best."

We'd better hope the cap goes WAY up.

Because otherwise we've confined ourself to the NFCS cellar.

And don't be surprised if you see JJ11 in another team's jersey.

The Patriots have the cap room and need help.

Being that I'm a lifelong Bama fan and Julio played right down the street from me, and the fact that I was crushed to the bone when the Falcons picked him, I hope you are 100% correct.

Even if its the hated Patriots I'll dance for joy when he leaves the Falcons.

homerj07 · 07-26-2013, 06:52 PM

Great the ass cock owners price people like me even more out of being able to go to a game because they have to pay a good but not great players HUGE frippen bucks.

Once again

NO ONE IS WORTH THIS TYPE OF MONEY!!!

ChrisXVI · 07-26-2013, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Spot on Dtan

Chris XVI,

In his old age, 'King Arthur' seems to have something confused.

He is a "bottom third" QB.

Not the "third best."

We'd better hope the cap goes WAY up.

Because otherwise we've confined ourself to the NFCS cellar.

And don't be surprised if you see JJ11 in another team's jersey.

The Patriots have the cap room and need help.

Damn... I wouldn't even say that he's a bottom third QB. I guess he does have elite weapons but that's why I was interested in your take. Roddy's probably going to be retired or cut because of age taking its toll before Julio's contract is up as well as other players being gone so I don't think Julio is going anywhere. I think you guys are probably gonna be fine... If there's anything we've learned from Mickey Loomis it's that there are so many ways around salary cap hell LOL.

SaintsBro · 07-27-2013, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

You guys are in the same boat now that we're in with Drew

Nowhere near a similarity there. We have a coach, a better GM, and an elite QB who has no argument or question about his track record or "elite" status. Atlanta has none of those things, at the level of quality that the Saints have them. Our GM and front office's precise talent is, scouting and signing hidden gems and high quality (and thus less expensive) players in the mid to later rounds, and making really smart, low cost free agent acquisitions (Sproles, Shockey, Vilma, etc). The Saints have been doing this for years, which is a perfect salary cap compliment to a highly paid, high value QB like Drew Brees. The Falcons' front office's MO is to reach down to pick up whatever shiny glittering objects that happen to catch their attention that minute. Falcons fans are STILL debating Ryan's "elite" status after every Falcons' loss and always will be, even after he is retired. It's been proven time and again, that Drew adds value when he makes lesser players perform better by being around him; no one ever says that about Ryan, it's all "star power" over in Atlanta, Julio, Tony, Roddy, Turner and they are about to find out long term that it's not a winning recipe.

TheOak · 07-27-2013, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by homerj07

Great the ass cock owners price people like me even more out of being able to go to a game because they have to pay a good but not great players HUGE frippen bucks.

Once again

NO ONE IS WORTH THIS TYPE OF MONEY!!!

The 125M salary cap will be consumed by someone. Whether its 124M to 1 player and 1M between the other 52, or equal distribution.... It has no effect on your ticket price.

ChrisXVI · 07-27-2013, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

Nowhere near a similarity there. We have a coach, a better GM, and an elite QB who has no argument or question about his track record or "elite" status. Atlanta has none of those things, at the level of quality that the Saints have them. Our GM and front office's precise talent is, scouting and signing hidden gems and high quality (and thus less expensive) players in the mid to later rounds, and making really smart, low cost free agent acquisitions (Sproles, Shockey, Vilma, etc). The Saints have been doing this for years, which is a perfect salary cap compliment to a highly paid, high value QB like Drew Brees. The Falcons' front office's MO is to reach down to pick up whatever shiny glittering objects that happen to catch their attention that minute. Falcons fans are STILL debating Ryan's "elite" status after every Falcons' loss and always will be, even after he is retired. It's been proven time and again, that Drew adds value when he makes lesser players perform better by being around him; no one ever says that about Ryan, it's all "star power" over in Atlanta, Julio, Tony, Roddy, Turner and they are about to find out long term that it's not a winning recipe.

Thanks for the essay dude... I just meant having to let players walk in free agency and probably restructuring contracts of players to sign other players. You know, the stuff we deal with now that we pay top dollar to our QB.

atltillidie · 07-27-2013, 08:11 PM

Glad this was done before it got to be a distraction.

atltillidie · 07-27-2013, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by Spot on Dtan

Speak for yourself.

Having a "bottom third" QB like 'Young' Ryan only works under specific circumstances.

And the first and most important stipulation is that you don't overpay.

The money saved with an inferior QB must be spent elsewhere.

Folks, let's be honest here.

The last time the Falcons had a legitimate shot at the SB was 2006.

I guess I am.

Bottom third? I don't think so...

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He's not elite, but not as bad as you're making him out to be. He's not young anymore either.

I think we have as good a chance as anyone to bring one home.

|Mitch| · 07-27-2013, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by atltillidie

I think we have as good a chance as anyone to bring one home.

Superbowl or Bust for the second straight year; right?!

07-26-2013, 05:53 PM	#31
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Falcons and Ryan agree to new deal Originally Posted by Danno Just a guess, but I think he's probably of the opinion that they paid a B-Plus QB A-Plus money. He'd be right too. Sure Matt Ryan is a B+ QB, but that's why I'm interested in his take... He's been critical of the Falcons in his posts so I think he'd have a level-headed take on the situation. Not trying to bait an argument, just curious because it's the kind of deal that changes the future of an organization.

07-26-2013, 06:03 PM	#32
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,761	Re: Falcons and Ryan agree to new deal Originally Posted by Spot on Dtan Chris XVI, In his old age, 'King Arthur' seems to have something confused. He is a "bottom third" QB. Not the "third best." We'd better hope the cap goes WAY up. Because otherwise we've confined ourself to the NFCS cellar. And don't be surprised if you see JJ11 in another team's jersey. The Patriots have the cap room and need help. Being that I'm a lifelong Bama fan and Julio played right down the street from me, and the fact that I was crushed to the bone when the Falcons picked him, I hope you are 100% correct. Even if its the hated Patriots I'll dance for joy when he leaves the Falcons. K Major likes this.

07-26-2013, 06:52 PM	#33
homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	Re: Falcons and Ryan agree to new deal Great the ass cock owners price people like me even more out of being able to go to a game because they have to pay a good but not great players HUGE frippen bucks. Once again NO ONE IS WORTH THIS TYPE OF MONEY!!! \|Mitch\| likes this.

07-26-2013, 07:33 PM	#34
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Falcons and Ryan agree to new deal Originally Posted by Spot on Dtan Chris XVI, In his old age, 'King Arthur' seems to have something confused. He is a "bottom third" QB. Not the "third best." We'd better hope the cap goes WAY up. Because otherwise we've confined ourself to the NFCS cellar. And don't be surprised if you see JJ11 in another team's jersey. The Patriots have the cap room and need help. Damn... I wouldn't even say that he's a bottom third QB. I guess he does have elite weapons but that's why I was interested in your take. Roddy's probably going to be retired or cut because of age taking its toll before Julio's contract is up as well as other players being gone so I don't think Julio is going anywhere. I think you guys are probably gonna be fine... If there's anything we've learned from Mickey Loomis it's that there are so many ways around salary cap hell LOL.

07-27-2013, 10:41 AM	#35
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Falcons and Ryan agree to new deal Originally Posted by ChrisXVI You guys are in the same boat now that we're in with Drew Nowhere near a similarity there. We have a coach, a better GM, and an elite QB who has no argument or question about his track record or "elite" status. Atlanta has none of those things, at the level of quality that the Saints have them. Our GM and front office's precise talent is, scouting and signing hidden gems and high quality (and thus less expensive) players in the mid to later rounds, and making really smart, low cost free agent acquisitions (Sproles, Shockey, Vilma, etc). The Saints have been doing this for years, which is a perfect salary cap compliment to a highly paid, high value QB like Drew Brees. The Falcons' front office's MO is to reach down to pick up whatever shiny glittering objects that happen to catch their attention that minute. Falcons fans are STILL debating Ryan's "elite" status after every Falcons' loss and always will be, even after he is retired. It's been proven time and again, that Drew adds value when he makes lesser players perform better by being around him; no one ever says that about Ryan, it's all "star power" over in Atlanta, Julio, Tony, Roddy, Turner and they are about to find out long term that it's not a winning recipe. Spot on Dtan likes this.
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07-27-2013, 03:18 PM	#36
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,060	Re: Falcons and Ryan agree to new deal Originally Posted by homerj07 Great the ass cock owners price people like me even more out of being able to go to a game because they have to pay a good but not great players HUGE frippen bucks. Once again NO ONE IS WORTH THIS TYPE OF MONEY!!! The 125M salary cap will be consumed by someone. Whether its 124M to 1 player and 1M between the other 52, or equal distribution.... It has no effect on your ticket price. Spot on Dtan likes this.

07-27-2013, 05:56 PM	#37
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Falcons and Ryan agree to new deal Originally Posted by SaintsBro Nowhere near a similarity there. We have a coach, a better GM, and an elite QB who has no argument or question about his track record or "elite" status. Atlanta has none of those things, at the level of quality that the Saints have them. Our GM and front office's precise talent is, scouting and signing hidden gems and high quality (and thus less expensive) players in the mid to later rounds, and making really smart, low cost free agent acquisitions (Sproles, Shockey, Vilma, etc). The Saints have been doing this for years, which is a perfect salary cap compliment to a highly paid, high value QB like Drew Brees. The Falcons' front office's MO is to reach down to pick up whatever shiny glittering objects that happen to catch their attention that minute. Falcons fans are STILL debating Ryan's "elite" status after every Falcons' loss and always will be, even after he is retired. It's been proven time and again, that Drew adds value when he makes lesser players perform better by being around him; no one ever says that about Ryan, it's all "star power" over in Atlanta, Julio, Tony, Roddy, Turner and they are about to find out long term that it's not a winning recipe. Thanks for the essay dude... I just meant having to let players walk in free agency and probably restructuring contracts of players to sign other players. You know, the stuff we deal with now that we pay top dollar to our QB.

07-27-2013, 08:11 PM	#38
atltillidie 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 432	Re: Falcons and Ryan agree to new deal Glad this was done before it got to be a distraction.

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atltillidie 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 432	Re: Falcons and Ryan agree to new deal Originally Posted by Spot on Dtan Speak for yourself. Having a "bottom third" QB like 'Young' Ryan only works under specific circumstances. And the first and most important stipulation is that you don't overpay. The money saved with an inferior QB must be spent elsewhere. Folks, let's be honest here. The last time the Falcons had a legitimate shot at the SB was 2006. I guess I am. Bottom third? I don't think so... 2012 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN YARDS 2012 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN COMPLETION PERCENTAGE 2012 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN TOUCHDOWNS 2012 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN YARDS PER GAME 2012 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN QB RATING NFL Total Quarterback Rating - National Football League - ESPN He's not elite, but not as bad as you're making him out to be. He's not young anymore either. I think we have as good a chance as anyone to bring one home.

07-27-2013, 08:59 PM	#40
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Falcons and Ryan agree to new deal Originally Posted by atltillidie I think we have as good a chance as anyone to bring one home. Superbowl or Bust for the second straight year; right?!

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