NFL Double Standard?

SmashMouth · 05-12-2014, 08:55 AM

A interesting video highlighted by Mass Tea Party where the discussion revolves around football’s double standard, where one player, Tim Tebow is mocked relentlessly for his Christian faith and another, Michael Sam, is praised for his gay lifestyle with the “kiss seen around the world” with his gay lover.

Many see this as not only highly hypocritical but as yet another example of religious beliefs being villifed.

Football's Double Standard? - Michael Sam Praised, Tim Tebow Mocked - Fox & Friends - YouTube

QBREES9 · 05-12-2014, 02:10 PM

Michael Sam, Good luck i hope you have a 12 year Pro Bowl Career.

Vrillon82 · 05-12-2014, 02:45 PM

My 2 cents comes on the same coin.

Religious beliefs are bashed because of one reason. The fact that pretty much every war from the beginning of time has been over religion. Lets be honest, its not just religious beliefs or a certain religion, its all religion has been a problem and is still a problem today.

As for the dolphins player suspended for this tweets, the issue here is that freedom of speech seems to no longer be free, he had a concern, a valid one since ESPN showed that footage and was probably in the wrong to do so. Biggest problems come with it as well, Michael Sam openly admits to it and is milking every bit of this he can for fame, and these news outlets are gobbling it up.

If you ask me, I think Michael Sam is going to be a headcase regardless of if hes gay or not.

OldMaid · 05-12-2014, 06:34 PM

Good points Vrillion.

Tebow was made fun of because he took his Christianity to overshadow the game and his so-so playing ability.
Christians who never went through what Tebow did: The Late Reggie White. Russell Wilson.
Wilson shares his beliefs but it does not overshadow the game, his fellow team players, and he is very good at the game.
Same for the Late Reggie White.

Tebow believed the hype, fame, and image . He had an actress from Rock of Ages take off her FB a picture with him taken after a show. She was in her costume.

Sam is gay. I understand and heard and got it the first 50 times it was said. I don't people really care much. His personal life is his. He has chosen , first thing, not to make it personal.
The picture was a bit too much for the masses, the Rams fans, and NFL fans, etc.
Sam is NOT a starter. He was a late draft pick. He was so-so during the Combine. He has a whole lot of work to do to really make the team. Training camp and preseason, anything can happen and anyone can be a boom or a bust.

I agree Vrillion that he is looking like he out for his fame, own noterity.
Team last.

TheOak · 05-13-2014, 08:16 AM

1. Beliefs that are not owned are bashed by the greater % of mankind because or their inability to understand that different does not equal wrong or bad... and most importantly some things are none of their business. There is a reason laundry is hung out in the back yard to dry.

2. Speech is free from prosecution (for the most part), never persecution. Each and everyone is held accountable for their words to a certain extent.

There is no need to go global about your beedroom or religious activities. Both relationships are between 1 person and another.

ESPN has shown many hetero kisses with girlfriends during the draft, no reason they cant show a homo kiss. Personally, I don't care to see either as national television is not the place for a PDA.

Neither side is in the wrong, they do both show some questionable judgement.
If you throw your personal life/opinion out on national TV/twitter you better be damned well ready to have it critiqued.

Id like to see Sam sack Tebow just to watch the fireworks.

Now... To give Sam the Arthur Ashe Courage Award for admitting to what he is.. Not sure that award hasn't just become devalued because at this point he has only managed to get drafted which is not exactly going above and beyond.

SaintsBro · 05-13-2014, 10:32 AM

Comparing religious beliefs to sexual preferences sounds like comparing apples to oranges to me.

First of all, I question has Sam ever actually been "praised for his gay lifestyle"? Where did this happen? I've only seen him praised for his courage in coming out, or his being a trailblazer, first of his kind, etc. NEVER have I seen any media outlet "praise" his homosexuality or his lifestyle, directly. Got a link for that? Most of the commentary I've seen, seems focused on what an event it was, a moment, first time this has happened in the pros, etc.

Nothing that Tim Tebow has done, has been the first time it's been done, out of anything that he has EVER done (and he has actually done a lot, if you count both off-the-field and on). But none of his Christianity was pioneering. Players have been pointing at the sky after touchdowns, genuflecting, kneeling, putting moments of quiet reflection together with happy celebration, and praying in end zones together, for generations. Literally for generations, decades now.

Was Tebow pioneering anything, by being the first openly devout Christian drafted in football? If he was, then it's a valid comparison.

And by contrast, I have not seen any sports or news media outlet "mocking relentlessly" Tim Tebow's religious beliefs, other than a few parody skits on comedy shows. Jimmy Fallon, SNL are not news media. I've heard of players mocking it (Detroit game that Tebow lost 45-10) but even that's got a wide variety of discussion about it, pro and con. Many people felt that the Lions players went too far in mocking him, it was widely discussed. Overall it is hardly a unanimous slam dunk premise, that everyone in the media is unfairly against Tebow, especially not in the news or sports media realm. He has been given every possible chance to prove himself, on the field, where the media should be looking. And now Sam will get his chance to prove himself on the field (if he even gets there).

Second big point -- getting to point #2 of Oak and others. When Tebow does the "Tebow" he is engaging in a very conscious act of moral grandstanding. Tebow is saying, "Look at me," just as surely as Billy "White Shoes" Johnson doing his knee-wobbling end zone dance was saying, "Look at me" back in the '70s.

Does Michael Sam do a signature sack dance, or tackle celebration, to promote his gayness, on the field, every time he makes a play? IF HE DID, then we would have an apples-to-apples comparison here.

Again, this is why I think we are getting off into the weeds, into comparing apples to oranges in this thread.

Mardigras9 · 05-13-2014, 10:38 AM

If he doesn't produce on the football field, he will suffer the same fate as Tebow no matter what his lifestyle.

TheOak · 05-13-2014, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

Comparing religious beliefs to sexual preferences sounds like comparing apples to oranges to me.

First of all, I question has Sam ever actually been "praised for his gay lifestyle"? Where did this happen? I've only seen him praised for his courage in coming out, or his being a trailblazer, first of his kind, etc. NEVER have I seen any media outlet "praise" his homosexuality or his lifestyle, directly. Got a link for that? Most of the commentary I've seen, seems focused on what an event it was, a moment, first time this has happened in the pros, etc.

Nothing that Tim Tebow has done, has been the first time it's been done, out of anything that he has EVER done (and he has actually done a lot, if you count both off-the-field and on). But none of his Christianity was pioneering. Players have been pointing at the sky after touchdowns, genuflecting, kneeling, putting moments of quiet reflection together with happy celebration, and praying in end zones together, for generations. Literally for generations, decades now.

Was Tebow pioneering anything, by being the first openly devout Christian drafted in football? If he was, then it's a valid comparison.

And by contrast, I have not seen any sports or news media outlet "mocking relentlessly" Tim Tebow's religious beliefs, other than a few parody skits on comedy shows. Jimmy Fallon, SNL are not news media. I've heard of players mocking it (Detroit game that Tebow lost 45-10) but even that's got a wide variety of discussion about it, pro and con. Many people felt that the Lions players went too far in mocking him, it was widely discussed. Overall it is hardly a unanimous slam dunk premise, that everyone in the media is unfairly against Tebow, especially not in the news or sports media realm. He has been given every possible chance to prove himself, on the field, where the media should be looking. And now Sam will get his chance to prove himself on the field (if he even gets there).

Second big point -- getting to point #2 of Oak and others. When Tebow does the "Tebow" he is engaging in a very conscious act of moral grandstanding. Tebow is saying, "Look at me," just as surely as Billy "White Shoes" Johnson doing his knee-wobbling end zone dance was saying, "Look at me" back in the '70s.

Does Michael Sam do a signature sack dance, or tackle celebration, to promote his gayness, on the field, every time he makes a play? IF HE DID, then we would have an apples-to-apples comparison here.

Again, this is why I think we are getting off into the weeds, into comparing apples to oranges in this thread.

The OP is at a higher level than Religion vs Sexuality, or Tebow vs Sam. Its focus is more the acceptance of both public displays.

Its about tolerance or lack there of depending on the subject matter.
It points out that there is more tolerance to public displays of homosexuality, than there is to religion.

But what you and I both know is that crusaders for both causes will take a thread and weave it into a quilt for their cause.

Make a tweet in disgust (that persons feeling about something), and there is a fine when it is in regard to homosexuality. Make a mocking tweet in laughter (that persons feelings about something) about Tebow or Phil Robertson's practicing their religion and no such reprimand is made.

There is a hypersensitivity around mocking certain subjects that is becoming absurd.

As far as the tweet... Well, some people do not have the ability to see something and not have a physical reaction. Let 50 people watch a person eat a cricket or a slice of bacon, a % will just watch while a % will have some sort of physical reaction.. They will all think something.

Some people should have to get a license to be on the internet.

If you hang your underwear in the front yard to dry and the neighbors laugh... Its your fault.

exile · 05-13-2014, 12:16 PM

Just heard that he was assigned #69.... whoops #96.

OldMaid · 05-13-2014, 06:28 PM

Ohhh, exile. Now you go to the timeout chair.

TOO FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

05-12-2014, 02:45 PM	#3
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05-12-2014, 06:34 PM	#4
OldMaid Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,910 Blog Entries: 3	Re: NFL Double Standard? Good points Vrillion. Tebow was made fun of because he took his Christianity to overshadow the game and his so-so playing ability. Christians who never went through what Tebow did: The Late Reggie White. Russell Wilson. Wilson shares his beliefs but it does not overshadow the game, his fellow team players, and he is very good at the game. Same for the Late Reggie White. Tebow believed the hype, fame, and image . He had an actress from Rock of Ages take off her FB a picture with him taken after a show. She was in her costume. Sam is gay. I understand and heard and got it the first 50 times it was said. I don't people really care much. His personal life is his. He has chosen , first thing, not to make it personal. The picture was a bit too much for the masses, the Rams fans, and NFL fans, etc. Sam is NOT a starter. He was a late draft pick. He was so-so during the Combine. He has a whole lot of work to do to really make the team. Training camp and preseason, anything can happen and anyone can be a boom or a bust. I agree Vrillion that he is looking like he out for his fame, own noterity. Team last.

05-13-2014, 08:16 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: NFL Double Standard? 1. Beliefs that are not owned are bashed by the greater % of mankind because or their inability to understand that different does not equal wrong or bad... and most importantly some things are none of their business. There is a reason laundry is hung out in the back yard to dry. 2. Speech is free from prosecution (for the most part), never persecution. Each and everyone is held accountable for their words to a certain extent. There is no need to go global about your beedroom or religious activities. Both relationships are between 1 person and another. ESPN has shown many hetero kisses with girlfriends during the draft, no reason they cant show a homo kiss. Personally, I don't care to see either as national television is not the place for a PDA. Neither side is in the wrong, they do both show some questionable judgement. If you throw your personal life/opinion out on national TV/twitter you better be damned well ready to have it critiqued. Id like to see Sam sack Tebow just to watch the fireworks. Now... To give Sam the Arthur Ashe Courage Award for admitting to what he is.. Not sure that award hasn't just become devalued because at this point he has only managed to get drafted which is not exactly going above and beyond. OldMaid, CharityMike and rezburna like this.
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05-13-2014, 10:38 AM	#7
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: NFL Double Standard? If he doesn't produce on the football field, he will suffer the same fate as Tebow no matter what his lifestyle. OldMaid likes this.

05-13-2014, 11:45 AM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: NFL Double Standard? Originally Posted by SaintsBro Comparing religious beliefs to sexual preferences sounds like comparing apples to oranges to me. First of all, I question has Sam ever actually been "praised for his gay lifestyle"? Where did this happen? I've only seen him praised for his courage in coming out, or his being a trailblazer, first of his kind, etc. NEVER have I seen any media outlet "praise" his homosexuality or his lifestyle, directly. Got a link for that? Most of the commentary I've seen, seems focused on what an event it was, a moment, first time this has happened in the pros, etc. Nothing that Tim Tebow has done, has been the first time it's been done, out of anything that he has EVER done (and he has actually done a lot, if you count both off-the-field and on). But none of his Christianity was pioneering. Players have been pointing at the sky after touchdowns, genuflecting, kneeling, putting moments of quiet reflection together with happy celebration, and praying in end zones together, for generations. Literally for generations, decades now. Was Tebow pioneering anything, by being the first openly devout Christian drafted in football? If he was, then it's a valid comparison. And by contrast, I have not seen any sports or news media outlet "mocking relentlessly" Tim Tebow's religious beliefs, other than a few parody skits on comedy shows. Jimmy Fallon, SNL are not news media. I've heard of players mocking it (Detroit game that Tebow lost 45-10) but even that's got a wide variety of discussion about it, pro and con. Many people felt that the Lions players went too far in mocking him, it was widely discussed. Overall it is hardly a unanimous slam dunk premise, that everyone in the media is unfairly against Tebow, especially not in the news or sports media realm. He has been given every possible chance to prove himself, on the field, where the media should be looking. And now Sam will get his chance to prove himself on the field (if he even gets there). Second big point -- getting to point #2 of Oak and others. When Tebow does the "Tebow" he is engaging in a very conscious act of moral grandstanding. Tebow is saying, "Look at me," just as surely as Billy "White Shoes" Johnson doing his knee-wobbling end zone dance was saying, "Look at me" back in the '70s. Does Michael Sam do a signature sack dance, or tackle celebration, to promote his gayness, on the field, every time he makes a play? IF HE DID, then we would have an apples-to-apples comparison here. Again, this is why I think we are getting off into the weeds, into comparing apples to oranges in this thread. The OP is at a higher level than Religion vs Sexuality, or Tebow vs Sam. Its focus is more the acceptance of both public displays. Its about tolerance or lack there of depending on the subject matter. It points out that there is more tolerance to public displays of homosexuality, than there is to religion. But what you and I both know is that crusaders for both causes will take a thread and weave it into a quilt for their cause. Make a tweet in disgust (that persons feeling about something), and there is a fine when it is in regard to homosexuality. Make a mocking tweet in laughter (that persons feelings about something) about Tebow or Phil Robertson's practicing their religion and no such reprimand is made. There is a hypersensitivity around mocking certain subjects that is becoming absurd. As far as the tweet... Well, some people do not have the ability to see something and not have a physical reaction. Let 50 people watch a person eat a cricket or a slice of bacon, a % will just watch while a % will have some sort of physical reaction.. They will all think something. Some people should have to get a license to be on the internet. If you hang your underwear in the front yard to dry and the neighbors laugh... Its your fault.
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05-12-2014, 02:10 PM	#2
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