La'el Collins, What Do We Know?!?
 

Would it be so bad to some him as an UDRFA?

If he turns out to be implicated in WTF is going on, doesn't he and contract just get indefinitely suspended?!?

Payton thought he'd get drafted Friday night; so maybe the Saints info on him is not so bad?!?

This guy would be a great addition behind Jahri Evans; so is he or his entourage responsible for Britney Mills and her baby's depth?!?

Hate to see this kid get out of state if he's just stuck in a poor circumstantial situation...

:rolleyes:

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Another thing, we'll he want to get out of state to get away from the mess even if he's innocent and has no responsible role in the tragedy?!?

Re: La'el Collins, What Do We Know?!?
 

Ultimately, Collins can salvage the early portion of his career by signing the standard three-year deal as an undrafted rookie. While he’d be eligible for restricted free agency after three years, the numbers suggest that he’ll do fairly well, given the current amount and the historic growth of the restricted free agency tenders.

If the tenders continue to increase at a rate of five percent annually, Collins could make more than all drafted players except the top 41 picks, based on three years of minimum salaries and the first-round tender for 2018. With the second-round tender, he’ll make more than all but 52 of the picks. With the original-round tender, he’ll make more than all but 65 of the picks.

It’s a formula that demonstrates how little draft picks make beyond round one, relative to undrafted playera. That said, the balloon payment in year four requires the undrafted player to earn one of the three RFA tenders. But Collins already has a leg up on the guys who typically slide through seven rounds; he has skills that would have potentially made him a first-round pick but for the unusual circumstances that unfolded in the past few days.

The analysis has one important caveat. Players taken in rounds three through seven are eligible for the proven performance escalators, which bumps their salary for the fourth year of their rookie deal into the range of $1.5 million. Still, Collins can end up getting a decent four-year rate of pay even as an undrafted player — and he’ll be eligible for a new contract after only two seasons. Drafted players have to wait for three.

The analysis has one important caveat. Players taken in rounds three through seven are eligible for the proven performance escalators, which bumps their salary for the fourth year of their rookie deal into the range of $1.5 million. Still, Collins can end up getting a decent four-year rate of pay even as an undrafted player — and he’ll be eligible for a new contract after only two seasons. Drafted players have to wait for three.

Also, and perhaps most importantly, Collins gets to pick his NFL team. No drafted player gets to do that.

For now, none of this matters until he’s cleared. That process begins Monday.

Interesting stuff. plus you know some is getting sued for all this if he is cleared. maybe more than one

Re: La'el Collins, What Do We Know?!?
 

If it turns out he is innocent I will feel bad for him. He lost a bunch of money, hade what should have been one of the greatest days of his life ruined and his reputation will always be tarnished for some people. This will always come up if he eventually will have an NFL career.

If he is cleared I hope we throw some money after him to get him to the Saints.

But most importantly, a young lady lost her life and I read that the baby didn't make it either. It is a great tragedy and I really hope the police finds who is responsible.

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Money wide this may be better for him long term
He will only sign a three year deal making him a RFA at 24,even after his second pro contract he will only be 29 and looking being 34 after at the end of his third NFL deal

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This guy was real high on the Lions draft board before the fallout ... #3 or higher at one point. It's good he'll still be able to get a contract once he clears his name, but it's also good to see NFL teams showing a little more concern for the type of guys they're drafting. Priorities.

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you know someone is getting sued for all this if he is cleared. maybe more than one

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"Who" though, is what I would wonder ... would he have a case vs the NFL for not allowing him to remove himself from the draft? The 32 teams that didn't draft him?

He isn't being accused of anything, just a person of interest, et ... while there is a certain amount of injustice in the whole situation should no involvement on his part be found, who could he legally blame for his fall from grace?

Re: La'el Collins, What Do We Know?!?
 

lets see you lose millions so your you want to sue for million. lawyers will be coming out of the wood work like cockroaches. I would not be surprised if a few already have a plan of attack already laid out.

if lawyers can get a criminal money for injuries received while committing a crime due to the victims negligence then i am sure they are looking into this one. people wonder why this country is so screwed up.

This is the type of a case a lawyer can make a name for themselves

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He will not have a case
Teams were free to select him and they didn't. Also the agents,We will not sign a contract if its not in the first four rounds has killed any lawsuit.

He wasn't legible for next years draft and had he been allowed to enter the supplemental draft every player after him with a legal issue pre draft would have appealed any conviction and asked to be moved to the supplment draft to manipulate were they go

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Yeah, but I'm just wondering who he can really go after ... he had already committed to the draft, hasn't been charged with anything, so why should the NFL excuse/remove him from his commitment just because his stock drops? I don't see a case there, it's just business & the NFL didn't do anything to cause his decline in value.

The 32 NFL teams that did not draft him cannot be found culpable ... what did they do other than avoid him for possible future legal issues?

The police for investigating him and/or naming him a person-of-interest in his baby-mama's murder? IDK if there would be a case there either ... they're just doing their job as part of a murder investigation.

It's kinda' an odd situation and maybe the NFL is erring on the side of caution, but in today's NFL climate, they sorta' have to, IMO.

Just one of those situations the guy is gonna' have live through ... at least there's some light at the end of the tunnel in that there will still be some lucrative NFL contracts and an NFL career available to him when it's all cleared up.

But yeah, I agree, :lol: ... if there's a way for an attorney to build a case outta' this one, they're undoubtedly working on it as we speak, :lol:.

Re: La'el Collins, What Do We Know?!?
 

Thanks ... that clears it up it somewhat. Did not know about the "won't sign contract after first four rounds" deal and the supplemental draft issue for future draft eligible players with legal problems is a valid point ... NFL does not want to set a precedence and/or open Pandora's Box by allowing Collins too much leeway ... it's just good business, :neutral:.

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i do not think we have heard the last of this. just a gut feeling and knowing lawyers. hell OJ got off so anything is possible

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Only recourse for La'el Collins that I could see so far would be to prove collusion, and that would be impossible to prove without communications (i.e. emails) or multiple witnesses...

The other would be to somehow find evidence that either someone from the league office or an agent(s) from one or more of the 32 NFL franchises conspired with the police and press to release the damaging press release of his person of interest connection to the murder of the young mother and infant.

The silver lining for him is that he will be a free agent faster than most; and with that talent he could get a max contract earlier in his career...

But it's hard to label him a victim when a young mother and her child are dead.

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Collins is not a victim, he's alive. I'm sure after his name is cleared some team with sign him.

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A team will sign him before he's cleared because of his potential as lineman.

If it's discovered he participated in any wrongdoing, they'll void the contract which I'm sure will have language to address such a situation.

Unless a team doesn't want a distraction, he'll be signed by the end of the day...

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Ok, those make sense. The whole timing of the thing is kind of suspicious, I can see collusion and I luv me a good conspiracy, :D.

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It would not surprise me at all if the league owners had spoke to each other about taking a step back from this sort of thing at a meeting. Remember that the owners are really just the shareholders of a multi billion dollar franchise and a black mark on one effects all of them down the line.

If Collins or his agent tried pushing a big case against the league they will get black listed and kiss good bye to more money. Collins doesn't have the backing of the NFLPA as he cant be a member without first being a player

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And that "timing" factor is what I think bears closer scrutiny, investigation.

F***ing with another man's paycheck, at the very least, deserves a thorough, public @$$whoopin...

Re: La'el Collins, What Do We Know?!?
 

So he speaks to police Monday. May or may not be cleared.

Let's say he's innocent. What would it take to get him in black & gold?

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One hell of a recruiting pitch as all 32 NFL teams can pretty much offer him the same amount of money. Luckily for us, we're right down the street from him. Roll out the red carpet, take him and his family out to dinner, invite Coach Miles, and just make him feel that this is the right place for him to be.

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I am still hoping he signs with us.

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I would love for that to happen. I just hope he doesn't get that 'I gotta get the hell outta here' feeling when he chooses his team.

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He stayed after his junior year to stay close to home, if innocent this could be such a coup for Lommis

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I wonder if the Saints have reached out to him or his agent at all, an anticipation of the Monday findings?

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If he's cleared and we sign him this may be the best draft class we've ever had, ever, and even everer!

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Man I would sign him to a UDFA contract in a heartbeat Getting Collins would set our OL for the next four yrs.

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I truly think he is guilty; if you know you innocent why not talk to the police before or during the draft.... this is a Rae Carruth situation all over. If I am wrong an he is innocent he need to fire whomever given him advice to wait after the draft; chances are he wouldve been drafted second day if he made efforts to talk to the police

Re: La'el Collins, What Do We Know?!?
 

From what i read they tried talking to the police during the draft but were told to wait till monday.

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If Collins is found clear of any wrong doing, can his attorney sue the hell out of the BRPD? Any B&G attorneys out there who can chime in?

I just don't know what to think about this matter anymore.

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I don't see how
The PD said he was not a suspect but they wanted to question him about the woman. They are doing there job and have not slandered him.

His agent acted like a idiot shouting about not taking him out the draft and then that he wouldnt sign a contract after the 3-4 round and would re-enter the draft next year. He killed any hope of his client being drafted and imho he did it on purpose knowing that as a UDFA he would be a RFA in three years and making more money than a 5th round pick

Re: La'el Collins, What Do We Know?!?
 

... so there is someone who can be sued after all.

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But what could he sue them for? Defamation? He is not accused of anything.

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You think he is guilty of what?

To assume guilt because he may not want to be questioned is such a foolish argument. If he could even be made out as a suspect he should keep his mouth shut, false and coerced confessions are a very real thing.

No one knows what will come of this situation, but I will bet the house some teams have already sent him contracts contingent on the investigation having a positive outcome.

Re: La'el Collins, What Do We Know?!?
 

Finished questioning with police this morning and was not arrested.

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A handshake agreement to re-negotiate his contract after two years at a certain value to recuperate what he lost would go a long ways.