Deflate Gate Finding Revealed - Implicates Brady

SloMotion · 05-09-2015, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

To be honest, I don't really care if they inflated or deflated their testicles. It makes no difference to me. Though it seems pretty obvious they did, and Brady lied about it. What bothers me is that they were so quick to then call it circumstantial and not hard evidence. That may be so, but as has been pointed out, the same could be said for the Saints situation and they jumped all over us.

Idiots will be quick to say "oh yeah but that's totally different". Is it? Because of what we were ASSUMED to have done was much worse we don't get the circumstantial excuse? Either you have the evidence or you don't. It doesn't matter the extent of the accusations. Kraft is always kissing Roger's butt, and now the reverse is happening and it is quite annoying.

I'm not really comparing Bountygate to Deflategate and am just confident that Roger will handle Deflategate with the same ineptitude that he handled Bountygate and any other of his responsibilities to the league.

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burningmetal · 05-10-2015, 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

I'm not really comparing Bountygate to Deflategate and am just confident that Roger will handle Deflategate with the same ineptitude that he handled Bountygate and any other of his responsibilities to the league. .

I wasn't suggesting you were comparing the two. I wanted to make the comparison myself because I don't see that much is happening to the Patriots here. People are talking about witch hunt, but it was the Colts who brought this thing up. I think the NFL just pretended to do a real investigation so as not to be accused of negligence.

The rambling of the report and the dismissal of everything as being circumstantial, along with the empty "more probable than not" line seems like their way of pretending to be impartial while not really doing anything to the Patriots. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but the relationship between Goodell and Kraft is known, and I have never been given a reason to NOT question Roger's credibility... Just my opinion though.

Either way, I agree that he will screw it all up. That much is a given.

SloMotion · 05-10-2015, 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I wasn't suggesting you were comparing the two. I wanted to make the comparison myself because I don't see that much is happening to the Patriots here. People are talking about witch hunt, but it was the Colts who brought this thing up. I think the NFL just pretended to do a real investigation so as not to be accused of negligence.

The rambling of the report and the dismissal of everything as being circumstantial, along with the empty "more probable than not" line seems like their way of pretending to be impartial while not really doing anything to the Patriots. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but the relationship between Goodell and Kraft is known, and I have never been given a reason to NOT question Roger's credibility... Just my opinion though.

Either way, I agree that he will screw it all up. That much is a given.

Yeah, I think we're basically on the same page and it's just semantics,

. I just lose interest when I see statements like this coming from the NFL's "Investigative Report Concerning Footballs Used During the AFC Championship Game on January 18, 2015": "Based on the evidence, it also is our view that it is more probable than not that Tom Brady was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities of [two New England employees] involving the release of air from Patriots game balls,". http://sports.yahoo.com/news/tom-bra...223250553.html .

I mean, huh? "More than probable"? "Generally aware"? IDK, I'm "generally aware" of about 50% of the inappropriate activities in my vicinity, does that make me guilty of something? If you're gonna' do an investigation, do it right, don't speculate, come to a conclusion, not a theory,

. It seems to be a pattern with the NFL. The one similarity I do see with Bountygate/Spygate is that the actions in question are pretty common around the league but one party got caught & will be singled out. Will Roger be consistent when applying penalties? Probably not, he hasn't up to this point, why start now?

It's all very disappointing, IMO.

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burningmetal · 05-10-2015, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

Yeah, I think we're basically on the same page and it's just semantics, . I just lose interest when I see statements like this coming from the NFL's "Investigative Report Concerning Footballs Used During the AFC Championship Game on January 18, 2015": "Based on the evidence, it also is our view that it is more probable than not that Tom Brady was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities of [two New England employees] involving the release of air from Patriots game balls,". http://sports.yahoo.com/news/tom-bra...223250553.html .

I mean, huh? "More than probable"? "Generally aware"? IDK, I'm "generally aware" of about 50% of the inappropriate activities in my vicinity, does that make me guilty of something? If you're gonna' do an investigation, do it right, don't speculate, come to a conclusion, not a theory, . It seems to be a pattern with the NFL. The one similarity I do see with Bountygate/Spygate is that the actions in question are pretty common around the league but one party got caught & will be singled out. Will Roger be consistent when applying penalties? Probably not, he hasn't up to this point, why start now?

It's all very disappointing, IMO. .

Yeah I agree. It's bull crap any way you slice it. The only real difference (the way it appears right now) is the way this will be mostly swept under the rug in terms of penalty which, in essence, is the only consistent thing about Goodell. Nothing is ever the same, and it never makes sense.

I do think the Patriots deflated balls, regardless of the report, as it seems to not be uncommon. And the fact that Brady so smugly laughed it off makes it look bad, but in actuality I don't think it really matters. BUT, the report itself is pretty dumb. The only reason I want to see punishment is for the sake of some kind of consistency, but you and I agree that won't happen.

LordOfEntropy · 05-11-2015, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

I just lose interest when I see statements like this coming from the NFL's "Investigative Report Concerning Footballs Used During the AFC Championship Game on January 18, 2015": "Based on the evidence, it also is our view that it is more probable than not that Tom Brady was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities of [two New England employees] involving the release of air from Patriots game balls,". http://sports.yahoo.com/news/tom-bra...223250553.html .

I mean, huh? "More than probable"? "Generally aware"?

There's a reason for those terms. The terminology indicates a guilty verdict - from the NFL's policy. I know the verbiage sounds weak, or unsure, uncertain. But in actuality it means the opposite. See below.

Ben Volin | Sunday Football Notes: Weighing possible punishments for Tom Brady, Patriots - Sports - The Boston Globe

...make no mistake — Wells’s use of the words “more probable than not” was very deliberate. That is the exact standard the NFL uses to determine guilt in its “Policy on Integrity of the Game & Enforcement of Competitive Rules.”

From rule No. 4 in the policy: “The standard of proof required to find that a violation of league rules has occurred shall be a preponderance of the evidence. This is the degree of evidence that is of greater weight or more convincing than the evidence which is offered in opposition to it. It means that, as a whole, the fact sought to be proved is more probable than not.”

Wells wasn’t being wishy-washy. In the eyes of Wells and the NFL, the Patriots are guilty. “More probable than not” is the standard for commissioner Roger Goodell to impose discipline.

05-09-2015, 12:04 PM	#1
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Deflate Gate Finding Revealed - Implicates Brady Originally Posted by burningmetal To be honest, I don't really care if they inflated or deflated their testicles. It makes no difference to me. Though it seems pretty obvious they did, and Brady lied about it. What bothers me is that they were so quick to then call it circumstantial and not hard evidence. That may be so, but as has been pointed out, the same could be said for the Saints situation and they jumped all over us. Idiots will be quick to say "oh yeah but that's totally different". Is it? Because of what we were ASSUMED to have done was much worse we don't get the circumstantial excuse? Either you have the evidence or you don't. It doesn't matter the extent of the accusations. Kraft is always kissing Roger's butt, and now the reverse is happening and it is quite annoying. I'm not really comparing Bountygate to Deflategate and am just confident that Roger will handle Deflategate with the same ineptitude that he handled Bountygate and any other of his responsibilities to the league. .

05-10-2015, 03:55 AM	#2
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Deflate Gate Finding Revealed - Implicates Brady Originally Posted by SloMotion I'm not really comparing Bountygate to Deflategate and am just confident that Roger will handle Deflategate with the same ineptitude that he handled Bountygate and any other of his responsibilities to the league. . I wasn't suggesting you were comparing the two. I wanted to make the comparison myself because I don't see that much is happening to the Patriots here. People are talking about witch hunt, but it was the Colts who brought this thing up. I think the NFL just pretended to do a real investigation so as not to be accused of negligence. The rambling of the report and the dismissal of everything as being circumstantial, along with the empty "more probable than not" line seems like their way of pretending to be impartial while not really doing anything to the Patriots. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but the relationship between Goodell and Kraft is known, and I have never been given a reason to NOT question Roger's credibility... Just my opinion though. Either way, I agree that he will screw it all up. That much is a given. SloMotion likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

05-10-2015, 05:19 AM	#3
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Deflate Gate Finding Revealed - Implicates Brady Originally Posted by burningmetal I wasn't suggesting you were comparing the two. I wanted to make the comparison myself because I don't see that much is happening to the Patriots here. People are talking about witch hunt, but it was the Colts who brought this thing up. I think the NFL just pretended to do a real investigation so as not to be accused of negligence. The rambling of the report and the dismissal of everything as being circumstantial, along with the empty "more probable than not" line seems like their way of pretending to be impartial while not really doing anything to the Patriots. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but the relationship between Goodell and Kraft is known, and I have never been given a reason to NOT question Roger's credibility... Just my opinion though. Either way, I agree that he will screw it all up. That much is a given. Yeah, I think we're basically on the same page and it's just semantics, . I just lose interest when I see statements like this coming from the NFL's "Investigative Report Concerning Footballs Used During the AFC Championship Game on January 18, 2015": "Based on the evidence, it also is our view that it is more probable than not that Tom Brady was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities of [two New England employees] involving the release of air from Patriots game balls,". http://sports.yahoo.com/news/tom-bra...223250553.html . I mean, huh? "More than probable"? "Generally aware"? IDK, I'm "generally aware" of about 50% of the inappropriate activities in my vicinity, does that make me guilty of something? If you're gonna' do an investigation, do it right, don't speculate, come to a conclusion, not a theory, . It seems to be a pattern with the NFL. The one similarity I do see with Bountygate/Spygate is that the actions in question are pretty common around the league but one party got caught & will be singled out. Will Roger be consistent when applying penalties? Probably not, he hasn't up to this point, why start now? It's all very disappointing, IMO. . burningmetal likes this.

05-10-2015, 01:54 PM	#4
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Deflate Gate Finding Revealed - Implicates Brady Originally Posted by SloMotion Yeah, I think we're basically on the same page and it's just semantics, . I just lose interest when I see statements like this coming from the NFL's "Investigative Report Concerning Footballs Used During the AFC Championship Game on January 18, 2015": "Based on the evidence, it also is our view that it is more probable than not that Tom Brady was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities of [two New England employees] involving the release of air from Patriots game balls,". http://sports.yahoo.com/news/tom-bra...223250553.html . I mean, huh? "More than probable"? "Generally aware"? IDK, I'm "generally aware" of about 50% of the inappropriate activities in my vicinity, does that make me guilty of something? If you're gonna' do an investigation, do it right, don't speculate, come to a conclusion, not a theory, . It seems to be a pattern with the NFL. The one similarity I do see with Bountygate/Spygate is that the actions in question are pretty common around the league but one party got caught & will be singled out. Will Roger be consistent when applying penalties? Probably not, he hasn't up to this point, why start now? It's all very disappointing, IMO. . Yeah I agree. It's bull crap any way you slice it. The only real difference (the way it appears right now) is the way this will be mostly swept under the rug in terms of penalty which, in essence, is the only consistent thing about Goodell. Nothing is ever the same, and it never makes sense. I do think the Patriots deflated balls, regardless of the report, as it seems to not be uncommon. And the fact that Brady so smugly laughed it off makes it look bad, but in actuality I don't think it really matters. BUT, the report itself is pretty dumb. The only reason I want to see punishment is for the sake of some kind of consistency, but you and I agree that won't happen.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

05-11-2015, 08:22 AM	#5
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Re: Deflate Gate Finding Revealed - Implicates Brady Originally Posted by SloMotion I just lose interest when I see statements like this coming from the NFL's "Investigative Report Concerning Footballs Used During the AFC Championship Game on January 18, 2015": "Based on the evidence, it also is our view that it is more probable than not that Tom Brady was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities of [two New England employees] involving the release of air from Patriots game balls,". http://sports.yahoo.com/news/tom-bra...223250553.html . I mean, huh? "More than probable"? "Generally aware"? There's a reason for those terms. The terminology indicates a guilty verdict - from the NFL's policy. I know the verbiage sounds weak, or unsure, uncertain. But in actuality it means the opposite. See below. Ben Volin \| Sunday Football Notes: Weighing possible punishments for Tom Brady, Patriots - Sports - The Boston Globe ...make no mistake — Wells’s use of the words “more probable than not” was very deliberate. That is the exact standard the NFL uses to determine guilt in its “Policy on Integrity of the Game & Enforcement of Competitive Rules.” From rule No. 4 in the policy: “The standard of proof required to find that a violation of league rules has occurred shall be a preponderance of the evidence. This is the degree of evidence that is of greater weight or more convincing than the evidence which is offered in opposition to it. It means that, as a whole, the fact sought to be proved is more probable than not.” Wells wasn’t being wishy-washy. In the eyes of Wells and the NFL, the Patriots are guilty. “More probable than not” is the standard for commissioner Roger Goodell to impose discipline.
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