Really dislike Cam Newton but....

stickman · 02-08-2016, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Stick,

Remember those Buffalo Bills of the 90's?? Jim Kelly went to 4 Super Bowls ... 4. Lost every single one of em. I'm willing to bet you he never walked off the podium in the disgraceful manner Cam did.

You were outplayed by a better defensive ball club. You are the MVP of the league. All talent and very little heart. Take it like a man.

That's all folks .

I get that, but, this is a guy who is known for his enthusiasm when he is playing. A guy that passionate about winning is going to be that upset when he loses. It's his personality, you can't praise him for the joy he shows when he wins and then not expect him to show disappointment when he loses.

Oh well, agree to disagree, I guess.

burningmetal · 02-08-2016, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by stickman

I get that, but, this is a guy who is known for his enthusiasm when he is playing. A guy that passionate about winning is going to be that upset when he loses. It's his personality, you can't praise him for the joy he shows when he wins and then not expect him to show disappointment when he loses.

Oh well, agree to disagree, I guess.

If I may interject here, your statement goes against the grain of what most of us in here believe about him. It's the people who support Cam who are usually saying how his antics on the field are just passion. I see it as phony, and classless. There are lots of enthusiastic players, and people in the world. What he does goes beyond just enthusiasm, in my opinion.

Cam enjoys winning. His attitude when things go bad don't reflect a guy who's passionate about the game. Because you can be disappointed and still keep your head up and be a leader and turn the page. Cam has always been known as a pouter in bad games. This isn't something new with him. So we aren't praising him for his enthusiasm. That's the heart of the argument with him. His side will tell you he's just having fun, but the rest of us don't see it that way at all.

SloMotion · 02-09-2016, 04:15 AM

Originally Posted by stickman

Okay, never thought I would defend Cam, but... the main difference here is last year Russell Wilson lost a chance to "repeat" as a Superbowl Champion. No matter what happened in that game, he still had his ring. That's got to make it a little easier to swallow.

These guys work their whole lives for that moment and, I believe, are allowed to be in a crappy mood when they lose. Just my 2 cents.

It's Ok to support Cam, I kinda' use to before this, #shrug. I have higher standards for grown men and professional athletes though, and Cam's let me down,

.

This is how I know Cam is a child. His supporters use stuff like this to deflect and give him the consideration you would give a 14yr old who just lost the city championship, #shrug. I'm tired of people defending poor behavior, it's a fricken' societal pandemic, IMO.

None of this is relevant. Nobody is upset because Cam has a goal in life & pursues it. Nobody is upset because Cam doesn't like losing. In fact, that's probably a pretty favorable trait to have as a pro, #shrug.

Again, it is 100% about his behavior and nothing else. What Cam did at his interview was the equivalent of sitting on the bench and covering his head with a towel during his previous setbacks. By sulking, not answering questions like those around him & who've gone before him, he disrespects the game, the league, his team, his coaches, his efforts, himself, et ...

I would like to think he had more consideration for something he's "worked his entire life for" and/or is so passionate about, #shrug ... but I guess that's the way it is with the twenty-something crowd, #smh.

I remember having guys like Cam in my units, in the military. Great fun-loving guys, always cutting up, jokin' & smokin' having a good time, loving what they do ... but when it was "go" time, you could never fully rely on them to get the job done, kinda' like Cam in the SuperBowl, #shrug.

It's Ok to enjoy what you're doing and have a good time, but eventually you have to put aside childish things and be a man about stuff, #shrug.

We're being a lot easier on him then his own fan base ... he's getting murdered on the Panther boards,

. SuperBowl L MVP Von Miller nailed it when he said Cam & Co. were more concerned with being "rappers & back-up dancers" leading up to the big game ... where they met a focused group of grown men more concerned with being Champions, #shrug.

K Major · 02-10-2016, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

I remember having guys like Cam in my units, in the military. Great fun-loving guys, always cutting up, jokin' & smokin' having a good time, loving what they do ...

Slomo -

Thanks for your service brother

.

RailBoss · 02-08-2016, 08:39 AM

Humble Winners and Gracious Losers, I'm not seeing Cam Newton falling into either category. Also lost a lot of respect for Peyton Manning when he stormed off and wouldn't shake Drew's hand after our SB game. On the flip side Riverboat Ron gave a good speech after the game in my opinion he's a class act.

foreverfan · 02-08-2016, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

I really dislike the big deal the media made of him walking out of the presser. The only reason I say this is because I'd probably defend any player put in that situation, but come on... he just lost the Superbowl... of course hes going to be upset. He was obviously heavily invested in winning, and when you get that close and lose.... it obviously is hard to deal with. The media has this tendency to try to shape people, make them all respond the same exact way to the same exact things. It's really annoying.

Sometimes less is more... the less you say... the more people are going to like it.

Cam got his A$$ kicked and was experiencing deep emotions. When you hurt because your life long dream that you have put so much hard work and dreams into just died, many of us would want to curse, scream, cry or punch the fudge out of something. Imagine having the crap beat out of you for 60 minutes and have to face a locker room with 50+ other payers. Hell... Have any of you read some of the classy comments posted on this board after the Saints loose one flipping game? Should anybody be required to talk to the media after losing the Superbowl? Nobody would want to or should be required.

In any case... I understand and don't hold it against him... BUT I don't feel sorry for him either.

It's all part of growing up.

Cam walks off podium in postgame presser - NFL Videos

burningmetal · 02-08-2016, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

Sometimes less is more... the less you say... the more people are going to like it.

Cam got his A$$ kicked and was experiencing deep emotions. When you hurt because your life long dream that you have put so much hard work and dreams into just died, many of us would want to curse, scream, cry or punch the fudge out of something. Imagine having the crap beat out of you for 60 minutes and have to face a locker room with 50+ other payers. Hell... Have any of you read some of the classy comments posted on this board after the Saints loose one flipping game? Should anybody be required to talk to the media after losing the Superbowl? Nobody would want to or should be required.

In any case... I understand and don't hold it against him... BUT I don't feel sorry for him.

How people react on this board to a loss is a vastly different context. People are stating their opinions. That isn't to say some aren't childish in said opinions, and you know what? They get called out for it, too. But for the most part people are just stating what they see. We aren't teammates with these guys, and so we're not responsible for trying to look out for anybody.

When you represent your team, you have that responsibility. What do you think are one of the main reasons that pro athletes make so much more money than their job really warrants? It's because they are held to a higher standard as a public figure. I know losing sucks, and I wouldn't much feel like talking about it either. But if I were given the opportunity he has, I would stand in there and deal with it. I've dealt with worse.

foreverfan · 02-08-2016, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

How people react on this board to a loss is a vastly different context. People are stating their opinions. That isn't to say some aren't childish in said opinions, and you know what? They get called out for it, too. But for the most part people are just stating what they see. We aren't teammates with these guys, and so we're not responsible for trying to look out for anybody.

When you represent your team, you have that responsibility. What do you think are one of the main reasons that pro athletes make so much more money than their job really warrants? It's because they are held to a higher standard as a public figure. I know losing sucks, and I wouldn't much feel like talking about it either. But if I were given the opportunity he has, I would stand in there and deal with it. I've dealt with worse.

Just remember, none of us have lost the Superbowl and none of us will ever know how it feels or how we would handle it.
He handled it like a person with nothing left to say.

Deion on Cam walking out of presser: 'You can't do that' - NFL Videos

burningmetal · 02-08-2016, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

Just remember, none of us have lost the Superbowl and none of us will ever know how it feels or how we would handle it.
He handled it like a person with nothing left to say.

Deion on Cam walking out of presser: 'You can't do that' - NFL Videos

I can't tell you EXACTLY how it would feel to lose a Superbowl, specifically, no. But without getting into details, I will just say that I've dealt with worse events. And I'm not the only one. Everyone has a story of something really disappointing or tragic happening. And I know myself well enough to know that nothing like losing a game would be enough to make me embarrass myself like that. Even if I cried at the podium (which seems unlikely for me), I'd rather that than just be disrespectful and walk out.

I know, I know. I'm not Cam. I'm not saying he has to process things exactly like me. In fact I would not encourage it, I'm not always so good with things. But there's a line. There are some behaviors that just look bad.

K Major · 02-08-2016, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I know, I know. I'm not Cam. I'm not saying he has to process things exactly like me. In fact I would not encourage it, I'm not always so good with things. But there's a line. There are some behaviors that just look bad.

Burn,

I guarantee you he will sleep on it tonight, wake up tomorrow and regret the way he acted.

02-08-2016, 10:39 AM	#1
stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,800	Re: Really dislike Cam Newton but.... Originally Posted by K Major Stick, Remember those Buffalo Bills of the 90's?? Jim Kelly went to 4 Super Bowls ... 4. Lost every single one of em. I'm willing to bet you he never walked off the podium in the disgraceful manner Cam did. You were outplayed by a better defensive ball club. You are the MVP of the league. All talent and very little heart. Take it like a man. That's all folks . I get that, but, this is a guy who is known for his enthusiasm when he is playing. A guy that passionate about winning is going to be that upset when he loses. It's his personality, you can't praise him for the joy he shows when he wins and then not expect him to show disappointment when he loses. Oh well, agree to disagree, I guess.

02-08-2016, 10:59 AM	#2
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Really dislike Cam Newton but.... Originally Posted by stickman I get that, but, this is a guy who is known for his enthusiasm when he is playing. A guy that passionate about winning is going to be that upset when he loses. It's his personality, you can't praise him for the joy he shows when he wins and then not expect him to show disappointment when he loses. Oh well, agree to disagree, I guess. If I may interject here, your statement goes against the grain of what most of us in here believe about him. It's the people who support Cam who are usually saying how his antics on the field are just passion. I see it as phony, and classless. There are lots of enthusiastic players, and people in the world. What he does goes beyond just enthusiasm, in my opinion. Cam enjoys winning. His attitude when things go bad don't reflect a guy who's passionate about the game. Because you can be disappointed and still keep your head up and be a leader and turn the page. Cam has always been known as a pouter in bad games. This isn't something new with him. So we aren't praising him for his enthusiasm. That's the heart of the argument with him. His side will tell you he's just having fun, but the rest of us don't see it that way at all. SloMotion likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

02-09-2016, 04:15 AM	#3
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Really dislike Cam Newton but.... Originally Posted by stickman Okay, never thought I would defend Cam, but... the main difference here is last year Russell Wilson lost a chance to "repeat" as a Superbowl Champion. No matter what happened in that game, he still had his ring. That's got to make it a little easier to swallow. These guys work their whole lives for that moment and, I believe, are allowed to be in a crappy mood when they lose. Just my 2 cents. It's Ok to support Cam, I kinda' use to before this, #shrug. I have higher standards for grown men and professional athletes though, and Cam's let me down, . This is how I know Cam is a child. His supporters use stuff like this to deflect and give him the consideration you would give a 14yr old who just lost the city championship, #shrug. I'm tired of people defending poor behavior, it's a fricken' societal pandemic, IMO. None of this is relevant. Nobody is upset because Cam has a goal in life & pursues it. Nobody is upset because Cam doesn't like losing. In fact, that's probably a pretty favorable trait to have as a pro, #shrug. Again, it is 100% about his behavior and nothing else. What Cam did at his interview was the equivalent of sitting on the bench and covering his head with a towel during his previous setbacks. By sulking, not answering questions like those around him & who've gone before him, he disrespects the game, the league, his team, his coaches, his efforts, himself, et ... I would like to think he had more consideration for something he's "worked his entire life for" and/or is so passionate about, #shrug ... but I guess that's the way it is with the twenty-something crowd, #smh. I remember having guys like Cam in my units, in the military. Great fun-loving guys, always cutting up, jokin' & smokin' having a good time, loving what they do ... but when it was "go" time, you could never fully rely on them to get the job done, kinda' like Cam in the SuperBowl, #shrug. It's Ok to enjoy what you're doing and have a good time, but eventually you have to put aside childish things and be a man about stuff, #shrug. We're being a lot easier on him then his own fan base ... he's getting murdered on the Panther boards, . SuperBowl L MVP Von Miller nailed it when he said Cam & Co. were more concerned with being "rappers & back-up dancers" leading up to the big game ... where they met a focused group of grown men more concerned with being Champions, #shrug. Crusader, 44Champs, frydaddy and 1 others like this.

02-10-2016, 08:05 AM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Really dislike Cam Newton but.... Originally Posted by SloMotion I remember having guys like Cam in my units, in the military. Great fun-loving guys, always cutting up, jokin' & smokin' having a good time, loving what they do ... Slomo - Thanks for your service brother . Srgt. Hulka and SloMotion like this.

02-08-2016, 08:39 AM	#5
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Really dislike Cam Newton but.... Humble Winners and Gracious Losers, I'm not seeing Cam Newton falling into either category. Also lost a lot of respect for Peyton Manning when he stormed off and wouldn't shake Drew's hand after our SB game. On the flip side Riverboat Ron gave a good speech after the game in my opinion he's a class act.

02-08-2016, 08:51 AM	#7
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Really dislike Cam Newton but.... Originally Posted by foreverfan Sometimes less is more... the less you say... the more people are going to like it. Cam got his A$$ kicked and was experiencing deep emotions. When you hurt because your life long dream that you have put so much hard work and dreams into just died, many of us would want to curse, scream, cry or punch the fudge out of something. Imagine having the crap beat out of you for 60 minutes and have to face a locker room with 50+ other payers. Hell... Have any of you read some of the classy comments posted on this board after the Saints loose one flipping game? Should anybody be required to talk to the media after losing the Superbowl? Nobody would want to or should be required. In any case... I understand and don't hold it against him... BUT I don't feel sorry for him. How people react on this board to a loss is a vastly different context. People are stating their opinions. That isn't to say some aren't childish in said opinions, and you know what? They get called out for it, too. But for the most part people are just stating what they see. We aren't teammates with these guys, and so we're not responsible for trying to look out for anybody. When you represent your team, you have that responsibility. What do you think are one of the main reasons that pro athletes make so much more money than their job really warrants? It's because they are held to a higher standard as a public figure. I know losing sucks, and I wouldn't much feel like talking about it either. But if I were given the opportunity he has, I would stand in there and deal with it. I've dealt with worse. SloMotion and K Major like this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

02-08-2016, 09:06 AM	#9
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Really dislike Cam Newton but.... Originally Posted by foreverfan Just remember, none of us have lost the Superbowl and none of us will ever know how it feels or how we would handle it. He handled it like a person with nothing left to say. Deion on Cam walking out of presser: 'You can't do that' - NFL Videos I can't tell you EXACTLY how it would feel to lose a Superbowl, specifically, no. But without getting into details, I will just say that I've dealt with worse events. And I'm not the only one. Everyone has a story of something really disappointing or tragic happening. And I know myself well enough to know that nothing like losing a game would be enough to make me embarrass myself like that. Even if I cried at the podium (which seems unlikely for me), I'd rather that than just be disrespectful and walk out. I know, I know. I'm not Cam. I'm not saying he has to process things exactly like me. In fact I would not encourage it, I'm not always so good with things. But there's a line. There are some behaviors that just look bad. Crusader, frydaddy and K Major like this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

02-08-2016, 09:09 AM	#10
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Really dislike Cam Newton but.... Originally Posted by burningmetal I know, I know. I'm not Cam. I'm not saying he has to process things exactly like me. In fact I would not encourage it, I'm not always so good with things. But there's a line. There are some behaviors that just look bad. Burn, I guarantee you he will sleep on it tonight, wake up tomorrow and regret the way he acted. SloMotion likes this.

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