Colin Kaepernick-discuss

nola_swammi · 09-01-2016, 11:00 PM

I am all about the message. Like I said before I am a disable vet, I know what the anthem mean & I whole heartily wish he could've found a better way to have this message sent but if I see that by not standing could set a resolution and not a divide I'll sit my a** down as well. THE MESSAGE IS WHAT NEED TO BE OBSERVED

jeanpierre · 09-01-2016, 11:01 PM

Be informed.

Everybody is blaming the DJ; it's really this racist (Not Celtic Great Bill Russell, but the bald a**hole, see story link below) ...

Harry Edwards has a BS doctorate in Urban Mythology and he's the problem...

What I don't get is why multi-million dollar companies cave into the implied extortionist demands and give these jerks payoffs in form of hired consultants...

Harry Edwards: Kaepernick “a man suddenly becoming aware his house is on fire” | ProFootballTalk

No one has been minding the kitchen the past sixty years, metaphor being college faculty, staff...

Extremists with personal agendas have quietly gotten away with unchallenged pulpits via tenured employment; and only promote, hire those that join the chorus of their dogma...

Now they've branched out into legalized extortion in the form of pseudo applied theories and providing solutions as consultants...

hagan714 · 09-01-2016, 11:20 PM

he is allowed to his views and support of BLM

The fans have the same right to hate the guy and loot an burn his house like BLM also.

Equality

nola_swammi · 09-01-2016, 11:20 PM

Wow!!!!! I applaud the 49 franchise. I must admit during the days of Montana, I couldn't stand them. I applaud Harry Edwards for educating the youths and Kap. LETS GET THIS MESSAGE OUT SO I DONT HAVE TO WORRY EVERYTIME MY SON AND DAUGHTER LEAVE THE HOUSE. I strongly feel a change for the best is over the horizon.

nola_swammi · 09-01-2016, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

he is allowed to his views and support of BLM

The fans have the same right to hate the guy and loot an burn his house like BLM also.

Equality

If people can't see this message as a sign of hate, what will? Did they target Trump this hard when he insulted P.O.W, I believe not? Looting and burning house is a crime. Protesting is a right

burningmetal · 09-02-2016, 12:21 AM

Colin Kaepernick did not start the conversation about police brutality. That garbage has been all over our televisions, radios and computers. He merely started a conversation about what a spoiled little child he is.

You don't make a difference by sitting down. You want to protest something? Go stand in front of capital hill, and say something to the people who have to power to make something happen.

But if all of these bleeding heart people would stop for a moment and think, they would realize something. There is only one way to change violence. People have to make the choice to stop killing each other for no reason. Simple, right? If only... But that absolutely is what has to happen. You can't give enough money, you can't say enough words, or do enough protesting to make anything change in people's attitude's.

There was something that could be done about segregation in the old days. But this isn't segregation anymore. You have people whose heads are on fire, for whatever reason, and they just have to be angry at somebody. People are shooting each other in the streets, and as a result no one trusts anyone.

So Let's all protest the flag and give the entire country one big middle finger. That's a GREAT way to change attitudes. Look how much outrage there is over what he did. Is that REALLY a good thing? There very idea that anyone would applaud this guy when the only thing he has done is perpetuate animosity.

A.8Manning · 09-02-2016, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

That's a pretty lazy way to look at it. It isn't merely the symbolism of standing or not standing for a flag. It was his reasoning behind it. And that is what we're discussing. Not standing up for the flag doesn't send a message to police or government. It says "screw you, America". If he had said that was his reason, we'd still be calling him a loser, but at least his intentions would be more clear. His reasons are instead very misguided, and he's just following along with this movement of playing the race card.

As far as him having the right. He was allowed to do it and wasn't thrown in prison, right? And we aren't saying to throw him in prison. That's all "rights" afford anyone. It doesn't shield you from criticism. People need to get that straight.

you are deciding to put reasoning behind it. There is no reasoning behind it.
Its a pointless action/symbolism.

Not standing up for the flag doesn't send a message to police or government. It says "screw you, America".

no,it just means you didnt stand up for a flag. I've not stood a few times because I didnt feel like it. It has nothing to do with anything else.
I dont worship bed sheets on poles. Is this 1984 type stuff now?

you dont need a right to stand up/not stand up for a stupid flag. Its the same as deciding to go here or there on a daily basis. Its nothing important to bother with.
If media says nothing,no one knows and life goes on. Media created this stupid story and people who dont think for themselves bit on it.
this is only a story because people waste time talking about it.
its meaningless to ultimate reality and anything in life that actually matters.

p.s. forgive me but... I dont see any editing tools to quote things and such above my post box when i edit or post or what ever...? where is it?

burningmetal · 09-02-2016, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by A.8Manning

you are deciding to put reasoning behind it. There is no reasoning behind it.
Its a pointless action/symbolism.

no,it just means you didnt stand up for a flag. I've not stood a few times because I didnt feel like it. It has nothing to do with anything else.
I dont worship bed sheets on poles. Is this 1984 type stuff now?

you dont need a right to stand up/not stand up for a stupid flag. Its the same as deciding to go here or there on a daily basis. Its nothing important to bother with.
If media says nothing,no one knows and life goes on. Media created this stupid story and people who dont think for themselves bit on it.
this is only a story because people waste time talking about it.
its meaningless to ultimate reality and anything in life that actually matters.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but unfortunately you're flat out wrong. If it means nothing, then why does it apparently mean something to everyone, be it positive or negative? YOU have decided for yourself that it means nothing to you. That sounds like a personal problem, and not something that the rest of us should take under consideration when having a conversation of what the flag means to us.

That flag is, IN FACT, our national flag. Not because I said so, and regardless of whether you care or not. So when you protest the flag, you protest the country. If you want to make a specific statement about something happening in this country, you go and speak to someone who it specifically pertains to.

It's like throwing a bucket of paint at the wall instead of painting the actual picture with a brush.

nola_swammi · 09-02-2016, 12:35 AM

Hmm!!! No one answered why not standing for the anthem is more a "screw you to America than someone disgracing Prisoners Of War (POW) Who will you vote for?

burningmetal · 09-02-2016, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by A.8Manning

you are deciding to put reasoning behind it. There is no reasoning behind it.
Its a pointless action/symbolism.

no,it just means you didnt stand up for a flag. I've not stood a few times because I didnt feel like it. It has nothing to do with anything else.
I dont worship bed sheets on poles. Is this 1984 type stuff now?

you dont need a right to stand up/not stand up for a stupid flag. Its the same as deciding to go here or there on a daily basis. Its nothing important to bother with.
If media says nothing,no one knows and life goes on. Media created this stupid story and people who dont think for themselves bit on it.
this is only a story because people waste time talking about it.
its meaningless to ultimate reality and anything in life that actually matters.

p.s. forgive me but... I dont see any editing tools to quote things and such above my post box when i edit or post or what ever...? where is it?

If I forget to quote something in my original post, I haven't been able to figure out how to include the quote in my edit. It never works, so I'm not sure.

09-01-2016, 11:00 PM	#91
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,518	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss I am all about the message. Like I said before I am a disable vet, I know what the anthem mean & I whole heartily wish he could've found a better way to have this message sent but if I see that by not standing could set a resolution and not a divide I'll sit my a** down as well. THE MESSAGE IS WHAT NEED TO BE OBSERVED

09-01-2016, 11:01 PM	#92
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 32,956 Blog Entries: 37	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss Be informed. Everybody is blaming the DJ; it's really this racist (Not Celtic Great Bill Russell, but the bald a**hole, see story link below) ... Harry Edwards has a BS doctorate in Urban Mythology and he's the problem... What I don't get is why multi-million dollar companies cave into the implied extortionist demands and give these jerks payoffs in form of hired consultants... Harry Edwards: Kaepernick “a man suddenly becoming aware his house is on fire” \| ProFootballTalk No one has been minding the kitchen the past sixty years, metaphor being college faculty, staff... Extremists with personal agendas have quietly gotten away with unchallenged pulpits via tenured employment; and only promote, hire those that join the chorus of their dogma... Now they've branched out into legalized extortion in the form of pseudo applied theories and providing solutions as consultants... saintfan likes this.
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09-01-2016, 11:20 PM	#93
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss he is allowed to his views and support of BLM The fans have the same right to hate the guy and loot an burn his house like BLM also. Equality pherein likes this.

09-01-2016, 11:20 PM	#94
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,518	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss Wow!!!!! I applaud the 49 franchise. I must admit during the days of Montana, I couldn't stand them. I applaud Harry Edwards for educating the youths and Kap. LETS GET THIS MESSAGE OUT SO I DONT HAVE TO WORRY EVERYTIME MY SON AND DAUGHTER LEAVE THE HOUSE. I strongly feel a change for the best is over the horizon.

09-01-2016, 11:24 PM	#95
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,518	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss Originally Posted by hagan714 he is allowed to his views and support of BLM The fans have the same right to hate the guy and loot an burn his house like BLM also. Equality If people can't see this message as a sign of hate, what will? Did they target Trump this hard when he insulted P.O.W, I believe not? Looting and burning house is a crime. Protesting is a right exiled likes this.

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09-02-2016, 12:21 AM	#96
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,844 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss Colin Kaepernick did not start the conversation about police brutality. That garbage has been all over our televisions, radios and computers. He merely started a conversation about what a spoiled little child he is. You don't make a difference by sitting down. You want to protest something? Go stand in front of capital hill, and say something to the people who have to power to make something happen. But if all of these bleeding heart people would stop for a moment and think, they would realize something. There is only one way to change violence. People have to make the choice to stop killing each other for no reason. Simple, right? If only... But that absolutely is what has to happen. You can't give enough money, you can't say enough words, or do enough protesting to make anything change in people's attitude's. There was something that could be done about segregation in the old days. But this isn't segregation anymore. You have people whose heads are on fire, for whatever reason, and they just have to be angry at somebody. People are shooting each other in the streets, and as a result no one trusts anyone. So Let's all protest the flag and give the entire country one big middle finger. That's a GREAT way to change attitudes. Look how much outrage there is over what he did. Is that REALLY a good thing? There very idea that anyone would applaud this guy when the only thing he has done is perpetuate animosity.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-02-2016, 12:25 AM	#97
A.8Manning 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 120	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss Originally Posted by burningmetal That's a pretty lazy way to look at it. It isn't merely the symbolism of standing or not standing for a flag. It was his reasoning behind it. And that is what we're discussing. Not standing up for the flag doesn't send a message to police or government. It says "screw you, America". If he had said that was his reason, we'd still be calling him a loser, but at least his intentions would be more clear. His reasons are instead very misguided, and he's just following along with this movement of playing the race card. As far as him having the right. He was allowed to do it and wasn't thrown in prison, right? And we aren't saying to throw him in prison. That's all "rights" afford anyone. It doesn't shield you from criticism. People need to get that straight. you are deciding to put reasoning behind it. There is no reasoning behind it. Its a pointless action/symbolism. Not standing up for the flag doesn't send a message to police or government. It says "screw you, America". no,it just means you didnt stand up for a flag. I've not stood a few times because I didnt feel like it. It has nothing to do with anything else. I dont worship bed sheets on poles. Is this 1984 type stuff now? you dont need a right to stand up/not stand up for a stupid flag. Its the same as deciding to go here or there on a daily basis. Its nothing important to bother with. If media says nothing,no one knows and life goes on. Media created this stupid story and people who dont think for themselves bit on it. this is only a story because people waste time talking about it. its meaningless to ultimate reality and anything in life that actually matters. p.s. forgive me but... I dont see any editing tools to quote things and such above my post box when i edit or post or what ever...? where is it?
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09-02-2016, 12:33 AM	#98
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,844 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss Originally Posted by A.8Manning you are deciding to put reasoning behind it. There is no reasoning behind it. Its a pointless action/symbolism. no,it just means you didnt stand up for a flag. I've not stood a few times because I didnt feel like it. It has nothing to do with anything else. I dont worship bed sheets on poles. Is this 1984 type stuff now? you dont need a right to stand up/not stand up for a stupid flag. Its the same as deciding to go here or there on a daily basis. Its nothing important to bother with. If media says nothing,no one knows and life goes on. Media created this stupid story and people who dont think for themselves bit on it. this is only a story because people waste time talking about it. its meaningless to ultimate reality and anything in life that actually matters. I'm sorry you feel that way, but unfortunately you're flat out wrong. If it means nothing, then why does it apparently mean something to everyone, be it positive or negative? YOU have decided for yourself that it means nothing to you. That sounds like a personal problem, and not something that the rest of us should take under consideration when having a conversation of what the flag means to us. That flag is, IN FACT, our national flag. Not because I said so, and regardless of whether you care or not. So when you protest the flag, you protest the country. If you want to make a specific statement about something happening in this country, you go and speak to someone who it specifically pertains to. It's like throwing a bucket of paint at the wall instead of painting the actual picture with a brush.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-02-2016, 12:35 AM	#99
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,518	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss Hmm!!! No one answered why not standing for the anthem is more a "screw you to America than someone disgracing Prisoners Of War (POW) Who will you vote for?

09-02-2016, 12:41 AM	#100
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,844 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss Originally Posted by A.8Manning you are deciding to put reasoning behind it. There is no reasoning behind it. Its a pointless action/symbolism. no,it just means you didnt stand up for a flag. I've not stood a few times because I didnt feel like it. It has nothing to do with anything else. I dont worship bed sheets on poles. Is this 1984 type stuff now? you dont need a right to stand up/not stand up for a stupid flag. Its the same as deciding to go here or there on a daily basis. Its nothing important to bother with. If media says nothing,no one knows and life goes on. Media created this stupid story and people who dont think for themselves bit on it. this is only a story because people waste time talking about it. its meaningless to ultimate reality and anything in life that actually matters. p.s. forgive me but... I dont see any editing tools to quote things and such above my post box when i edit or post or what ever...? where is it? If I forget to quote something in my original post, I haven't been able to figure out how to include the quote in my edit. It never works, so I'm not sure.

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