Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 766590)

I'm sure you found that with a quick Google search but of course, we have to do the research for them.

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 766589)

We're not allowed to be. We go to school and learn about White culture everyday, all day.

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 766588)

Jazz is characterized by swing and blue notes, call and response vocals, polyrhythms and improvisation. Jazz has roots in West African cultural and musical expression, and in African-American music traditions including blues and ragtime, as well as European military band music. Although the foundation of jazz is deeply rooted within the black experience of the United States, different cultures have contributed their own experience and styles to the art form as well. Intellectuals around the world have hailed jazz as "one of America's original art forms".

Ferris, Jean (1993) America's Musical Landscape. Brown and Benchmark. ISBN 0697125165. pp. 228, 233

Starr, Larry, and Christopher Waterman. "Popular Jazz and Swing: America's Original Art Form." IIP Digital. Oxford University Press, 26 July 2008.

Is that enough acknowledgement of this "vast", European influence?

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 766592)

And let's make sure we cite the book so they can go read all about it.

James, P.P., Enslaved Inventors, Hidden Contributors. The Real McCoy: African-American Invention and Innovation, 1619-1930. Washington, D.C.: Smithsonian Institution Press, 1989, Chapter Three.

Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 766596)

Wait wait. This writer appears to agree with me, pretty much:



I don't disagree with a single word. Thank you for posting. It isn't uniquely black as you suggested many posts ago. White people didn't steal it as you so desperately want to believe. Dude I'm so sorry for you but it just isn't true.

Three chords and the truth. That was a white creation. Did black people steal it?

Of course not. That's absurd. You get it yet?

See, the key of "G" is, well, G, C, then D. The seventh which leads from the 1 to the 3, the 'blue' note...White people invented that Sir.

But it is completely preposterous to suggest that black people singing the blues stole white culture. I'm sorry if you can't get wrapped around my point. I truly do appreciate your passion for music. We share that. It is neither black nor white. It's human. I wish you could see that.

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 766604)

The author states jazz is deeply rooted in the Black experience. And you can't invent a key. A key exists whether you're capable of producing it or not. There's no proof that Europeans were the first to string those cords together. Did it have influence on Blacks? Sure, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the art form was born out of the Black experience as the author said.

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 766604)

The author states jazz is deeply rooted in the Black experience. Not to mention, you can't invent a key. A key exists whether you're capable of producing it or not. There's this habit of believing you invented and discovered things that other people already knew about. There's no proof that Europeans were the first to string those cords together. Did it have influence on Blacks? Sure, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the art form was born out of the Black experience as the author said. Those Europeans who "invented" the key didn't in turn start making blues or jazz.

Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 766602)

Do you actually believe black people are the only people ever robbed of their invention? Google that Sir...

I'll wait...

You see racism where you want to see it.

And yes, do cite a book. The last one you cited proved my point... ;-)

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 766608)

Wait...so enslaved people not being credited for their inventions wasn't a product of racism? Lmao. Okay. I'm done. Good night.