New Stadium Resolution.....

saintswhodi · 06-28-2007, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by blacksaint

When it's all said and done the Saints aren't going anywhere, the new Governor whoever that may be will do everything in their power to keep the Saints in New Orleans. Plus, Tom Benson didn't make his money being stupid, he knows L.A. is not a viable place for an NFL franchise, the Rams left L.A. for St. Louis for Christ sake, St. Louis. The Raiders jump ship back to Oakland and apologised for moving to L.A., which doesn't say much for LaLa Land, what makes you think they would support the Saints. Then there's San Antonio, home of the Spurs, winners of four(4) NBA Championships in nine years, and they don't even sell home playoff games, they had the worst playoff home attendance numbers in the league, and the Spurs were on they're way to winning a Championship, now that's support. The Saints could never survive in those cities, once the honeymoon is over, so is the attendance, Benson and the rest of the Saints brass know that no one will ever support the Saints like the city of New Orleans and the entire Gulf Region. So I think everybody involved is going to do whatever it takes to keep the Saints home where they belong, because without each other they both will suffer.

Where did you get information the Spurs were the worst in playoff home attendance, when they were 9th in the league in regular season home attendance?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/attendance?year=2007

If you inferred cause the finals weren't sold out, that would be because NO ONE believed the Cavs would beat the Spurs, and why shell out a few hundred bucks to watch a known outcome? The first game not to sell out was the Jazz game:

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b...k.3529103.html

Once Phoenix and Dallas were done, that pretty much guaranteed the Spurs the title. Anyone who lives in this city can attest to how much they love the Spurs, but even San Antonions don't have hundreds to throw away on expensive playoff games against inferior opponents.

You would also be dismissing the fact that San Antonio/Austin is one of the largest TV markets remaining without a pro football franchise. The support would be there, so this area is always a threat. Even with that, i'd prefer Benson just get his new stadium and stay put. I like the dome, but it's time has come and gone. Going back there for the Atlanta game will always be one of my best memories as a Saints fan, but it's time for some new memories in a new venue. Just not in the East.

blacksaint · 06-28-2007, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Where did you get information the Spurs were the worst in playoff home attendance, when they were 9th in the league in regular season home attendance?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/attendance?year=2007

If you inferred cause the finals weren't sold out, that would be because NO ONE believed the Cavs would beat the Spurs, and why shell out a few hundred bucks to watch a known outcome? The first game not to sell out was the Jazz game:

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b...k.3529103.html

Once Phoenix and Dallas were done, that pretty much guaranteed the Spurs the title. Anyone who lives in this city can attest to how much they love the Spurs, but even San Antonions don't have hundreds to throw away on expensive playoff games against inferior opponents.

You would also be dismissing the fact that San Antonio/Austin is one of the largest TV markets remaining without a pro football franchise. The support would be there, so this area is always a threat. Even with that, i'd prefer Benson just get his new stadium and stay put. I like the dome, but it's time has come and gone. Going back there for the Atlanta game will always be one of my best memories as a Saints fan, but it's time for some new memories in a new venue. Just not in the East.

Well Whodi, I got it from watching the finals. I watch how they said the Spurs were one of the lest popular teams in the playoffs, I got it from the commentators who said on national television it was a shame that the Spurs were going for their fourth Championship in 9 years and couldn't generate that much excitement amongst their own fans. I got it from a reporter(I think it was Kenny Smith or Steven A., I not sure), walking along the Riverwalk interviewing people on why the Spurs were not as popular as they should be. Most of the people he interviewed in San Antonio said their favorite team was Dallas and Houston, and Yao Ming, Tracy McGrady, and Dirk Nowitzky was mentioned as their favorite players, not Tony Parker or Tim Duncan, and that's a shame. Now I'm not dissing San Antonio, I happen to like the Spurs, but do you think if the Saints were playing in the NFC Championship game at home against a team everybody knows their going to beat, the fans in New Orleans would not sell out the game, even if they won four Superbowls in 9 years, you wouldn't be able to fine a ticket nowhere in the entire Gulf Region. Benson just uses San Antonio and L.A. as bargaining chips nothing more, he knows nobody would ever support the Saints like New Orleans and the Gulf Region, NOBODY! Like I said before, once the honeymoon is over the attendance would plummeted, Benson would have to pull an Al Davis, apologize for the move, ask for forgiveness and move back to New Orleans.

saintswhodi · 06-29-2007, 08:31 AM

I disagree with you fully due to what I said previously, and due to the fact that I of course watched the finals being a spurs fan and you are greatly overexaggerating everything the commentators said, and interviews with "fans" on the riverwalk. I had a feeling though what you were saying was not based in hard numbers but based in "impressions." I live here, trust me you are wrong about how the fans feel about the Spurs.

I also disagree cause the NFL is the best, most loved, and most watched sports programming on the planet. There is almost no comparison at this point between NFL and NBA attendance and fan loyalty. You put a football team anywhere with people and it will ALWAYS outdraw the NBA. Football has done a beautiful job of creating one huge impression with fans that will keep people law til the end of time, parity. The fact we could go from 3-13 to the NFC championship game is a testament to the statement "An Given Sunday." You don't have that in basketball. You have the have, and have nots, and poor marketing. It's a league not on par with the NFL. So trying to compare what fans would be like between the two is almost irrelevant anywhere outside of Los Angeles, where the indifference is palpable. You'd also have to consider all the people who may be Cowboys fans in the area, but can't drive all the way to Dallas for a game, but love football. You'd also have to consider people coming from Mexico for games, where they sold over 100,000 tickets to see the Cards and the 49ers. So don't let that "impression" you got fool you. The NBA is not on the same level is the NFL, and would get more than enough support from this area. I just don't want it to be the Saints. I love going back home for games. But if more people think like you and so boo on a new stadium cause you think another area couldn't support the team as the Gulf South does, you'd be mistaken IMO. Difference of opinion I guess.

redjem25 · 06-29-2007, 10:00 AM

Forgive me if my thoughts are incorrect. Wasn't is said that New Orleans wouldn't be eligible for a Superbowl until a new long-term was in place, not a new stadium. It was only Benson's wish to have a new stadium. After Katrina the state and NFL together spent over 100 million to renovate the dome. If they plan to demo it and build a new stadium then that money used (which was substantial) was spent for nothing. Correct?? That only allowed the Saints to remain and play here for just 3 more years. I am all for a new stadium if it allow the team to stay. The N.O. Skyline would not be the same w/o the dome but then again I don't understand why they would demo it. It could be used for concerts, trade shows and competitions which could bring more $ cause its larger than the Arena. Then the new stadium could be for the Saints exclusively for games and training camp. I think by the time the new stadium is built the economy will be on its way up again. We all know that the team can be financial supported right now. SO, in a few years it will even be more profitable and better. If we can get a deal together for a new stadium in a year or so we would then be eligible for a 2012 or 13 Superbowl.
Just my opinion!
TGIF!

DeadmaN · 06-29-2007, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by redjem25

...After Katrina the state and NFL together spent over 100 million to renovate the dome. If they plan to demo it and build a new stadium then that money used (which was substantial) was spent for nothing. Correct??

my point exactly

Nemesis · 06-29-2007, 10:39 AM

The league and Feds just spending all that money on the Dome was always on my mind while responding. I haven't found any evidence of the league being leery of the condtion of the Dome for SBs. Ol girl is in fine shape, but I'd still like those FQ balconies. Many other modifications are still on the drawing board.

To be fair, I'd like to submit that the Dome seating isn't optimal for basketball. The Final Four had beefs with the seating, and seems to be seeking other venues. I've heard Indy's new Dome was guaranteed the Final Four every 4 Years. I know the league awards SBs to new domes, but I'm confident that even if the SB went to a similar rotation, NO would still be in that number with our current Dome. At least until I hear otherwise...

saintswhodi · 06-29-2007, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by redjem25

Forgive me if my thoughts are incorrect. Wasn't is said that New Orleans wouldn't be eligible for a Superbowl until a new long-term was in place, not a new stadium. It was only Benson's wish to have a new stadium. After Katrina the state and NFL together spent over 100 million to renovate the dome. If they plan to demo it and build a new stadium then that money used (which was substantial) was spent for nothing. Correct?? That only allowed the Saints to remain and play here for just 3 more years. I am all for a new stadium if it allow the team to stay. The N.O. Skyline would not be the same w/o the dome but then again I don't understand why they would demo it. It could be used for concerts, trade shows and competitions which could bring more $ cause its larger than the Arena. Then the new stadium could be for the Saints exclusively for games and training camp. I think by the time the new stadium is built the economy will be on its way up again. We all know that the team can be financial supported right now. SO, in a few years it will even be more profitable and better. If we can get a deal together for a new stadium in a year or so we would then be eligible for a 2012 or 13 Superbowl.
Just my opinion!
TGIF!

I agree with most all of this, except, who said anything about demolishing the dome? And the Superdome HAD to be upgraded after Katrina. There was no other choice if the Saints were gonna play there. IF they didn't, the Saints would not be here now. The state and the Superdome made the league a promise they would be ready to open for the Saints to come back, and they did it. It wasn't just a normal time and they committed money to renovation. That money was a necessity to get the Saints back in the dome. IT has no bearing on any future money that would be spent on a new stadium. Other than that, I agree with you.

Nemesis · 06-29-2007, 12:26 PM

Most people want another Dome or retractable roof, if we build anew. I don't see any reason to build a football only stadium. That would be an even worse waste than imploding the Dome. The question now turns to having enough events to justify keeping the old Dome around. Seems we're just creating more problems.

saintswhodi · 06-29-2007, 12:45 PM

Well, if the "new stadium" is in the East, convincing conventions and other events that are usually downtown to go out there will be pretty hard. If anything, I would think having the dome free on weekends during the fall would allow for more events to take place there. I don't see how it would be a problem at all. I am also pretty sure before a new stadium is actually broken ground on, a plan will be in place for the dome. They're not gonna build a new stadium without one.

redjem25 · 06-29-2007, 01:20 PM

There are many things the dome could be used for: a few examples are concerts, trade shows, conventions and sports competitions. (jewelry, craft, gun and boat shows, dance and cheerleading competitions, pageants)
The gun show was last weekend at the ponch. center in Kenner. It could be held at the dome and which may attract more vendors. Closer to hotels and more parking. There are major dance competitions held all over the country, why not host one New Orleans? The arena is booked several months for b.b season so use the dome for major music concerts. The last few concerts that have been here were sellouts or close to it. Booking a larger venue means more $$$$. The Essence Festival is back in the dome this year. Move the Mardi Gras Balls to the dome. Even high schools could play in the dome. The new stadium could be for our Saints and them alone. They could work out, practice and play there and it would always be available to them. I know Benson would love that. Its a win win all the way. There's only one problem...
Who the hell is going to pay for it???

06-28-2007, 08:43 AM	#61
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by blacksaint When it's all said and done the Saints aren't going anywhere, the new Governor whoever that may be will do everything in their power to keep the Saints in New Orleans. Plus, Tom Benson didn't make his money being stupid, he knows L.A. is not a viable place for an NFL franchise, the Rams left L.A. for St. Louis for Christ sake, St. Louis. The Raiders jump ship back to Oakland and apologised for moving to L.A., which doesn't say much for LaLa Land, what makes you think they would support the Saints. Then there's San Antonio, home of the Spurs, winners of four(4) NBA Championships in nine years, and they don't even sell home playoff games, they had the worst playoff home attendance numbers in the league, and the Spurs were on they're way to winning a Championship, now that's support. The Saints could never survive in those cities, once the honeymoon is over, so is the attendance, Benson and the rest of the Saints brass know that no one will ever support the Saints like the city of New Orleans and the entire Gulf Region. So I think everybody involved is going to do whatever it takes to keep the Saints home where they belong, because without each other they both will suffer. Where did you get information the Spurs were the worst in playoff home attendance, when they were 9th in the league in regular season home attendance? http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/attendance?year=2007 If you inferred cause the finals weren't sold out, that would be because NO ONE believed the Cavs would beat the Spurs, and why shell out a few hundred bucks to watch a known outcome? The first game not to sell out was the Jazz game: http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b...k.3529103.html Once Phoenix and Dallas were done, that pretty much guaranteed the Spurs the title. Anyone who lives in this city can attest to how much they love the Spurs, but even San Antonions don't have hundreds to throw away on expensive playoff games against inferior opponents. You would also be dismissing the fact that San Antonio/Austin is one of the largest TV markets remaining without a pro football franchise. The support would be there, so this area is always a threat. Even with that, i'd prefer Benson just get his new stadium and stay put. I like the dome, but it's time has come and gone. Going back there for the Atlanta game will always be one of my best memories as a Saints fan, but it's time for some new memories in a new venue. Just not in the East.
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06-28-2007, 11:04 PM	#62
blacksaint DARE TO ENTER Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Home Sweet Home, NEW ORLEANS, La. Posts: 1,154	Originally Posted by saintswhodi Where did you get information the Spurs were the worst in playoff home attendance, when they were 9th in the league in regular season home attendance? http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/attendance?year=2007 If you inferred cause the finals weren't sold out, that would be because NO ONE believed the Cavs would beat the Spurs, and why shell out a few hundred bucks to watch a known outcome? The first game not to sell out was the Jazz game: http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b...k.3529103.html Once Phoenix and Dallas were done, that pretty much guaranteed the Spurs the title. Anyone who lives in this city can attest to how much they love the Spurs, but even San Antonions don't have hundreds to throw away on expensive playoff games against inferior opponents. You would also be dismissing the fact that San Antonio/Austin is one of the largest TV markets remaining without a pro football franchise. The support would be there, so this area is always a threat. Even with that, i'd prefer Benson just get his new stadium and stay put. I like the dome, but it's time has come and gone. Going back there for the Atlanta game will always be one of my best memories as a Saints fan, but it's time for some new memories in a new venue. Just not in the East. Well Whodi, I got it from watching the finals. I watch how they said the Spurs were one of the lest popular teams in the playoffs, I got it from the commentators who said on national television it was a shame that the Spurs were going for their fourth Championship in 9 years and couldn't generate that much excitement amongst their own fans. I got it from a reporter(I think it was Kenny Smith or Steven A., I not sure), walking along the Riverwalk interviewing people on why the Spurs were not as popular as they should be. Most of the people he interviewed in San Antonio said their favorite team was Dallas and Houston, and Yao Ming, Tracy McGrady, and Dirk Nowitzky was mentioned as their favorite players, not Tony Parker or Tim Duncan, and that's a shame. Now I'm not dissing San Antonio, I happen to like the Spurs, but do you think if the Saints were playing in the NFC Championship game at home against a team everybody knows their going to beat, the fans in New Orleans would not sell out the game, even if they won four Superbowls in 9 years, you wouldn't be able to fine a ticket nowhere in the entire Gulf Region. Benson just uses San Antonio and L.A. as bargaining chips nothing more, he knows nobody would ever support the Saints like New Orleans and the Gulf Region, NOBODY! Like I said before, once the honeymoon is over the attendance would plummeted, Benson would have to pull an Al Davis, apologize for the move, ask for forgiveness and move back to New Orleans.
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06-29-2007, 10:00 AM	#64
redjem25 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Orleans Posts: 203	Forgive me if my thoughts are incorrect. Wasn't is said that New Orleans wouldn't be eligible for a Superbowl until a new long-term was in place, not a new stadium. It was only Benson's wish to have a new stadium. After Katrina the state and NFL together spent over 100 million to renovate the dome. If they plan to demo it and build a new stadium then that money used (which was substantial) was spent for nothing. Correct?? That only allowed the Saints to remain and play here for just 3 more years. I am all for a new stadium if it allow the team to stay. The N.O. Skyline would not be the same w/o the dome but then again I don't understand why they would demo it. It could be used for concerts, trade shows and competitions which could bring more $ cause its larger than the Arena. Then the new stadium could be for the Saints exclusively for games and training camp. I think by the time the new stadium is built the economy will be on its way up again. We all know that the team can be financial supported right now. SO, in a few years it will even be more profitable and better. If we can get a deal together for a new stadium in a year or so we would then be eligible for a 2012 or 13 Superbowl. Just my opinion! TGIF!
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06-29-2007, 10:30 AM	#65
DeadmaN Saints Junky Join Date: May 2007 Location: Metairie Originally now a Houston transplant Posts: 672	Originally Posted by redjem25 ...After Katrina the state and NFL together spent over 100 million to renovate the dome. If they plan to demo it and build a new stadium then that money used (which was substantial) was spent for nothing. Correct?? my point exactly

06-29-2007, 12:17 PM	#67
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by redjem25 Forgive me if my thoughts are incorrect. Wasn't is said that New Orleans wouldn't be eligible for a Superbowl until a new long-term was in place, not a new stadium. It was only Benson's wish to have a new stadium. After Katrina the state and NFL together spent over 100 million to renovate the dome. If they plan to demo it and build a new stadium then that money used (which was substantial) was spent for nothing. Correct?? That only allowed the Saints to remain and play here for just 3 more years. I am all for a new stadium if it allow the team to stay. The N.O. Skyline would not be the same w/o the dome but then again I don't understand why they would demo it. It could be used for concerts, trade shows and competitions which could bring more $ cause its larger than the Arena. Then the new stadium could be for the Saints exclusively for games and training camp. I think by the time the new stadium is built the economy will be on its way up again. We all know that the team can be financial supported right now. SO, in a few years it will even be more profitable and better. If we can get a deal together for a new stadium in a year or so we would then be eligible for a 2012 or 13 Superbowl. Just my opinion! TGIF! I agree with most all of this, except, who said anything about demolishing the dome? And the Superdome HAD to be upgraded after Katrina. There was no other choice if the Saints were gonna play there. IF they didn't, the Saints would not be here now. The state and the Superdome made the league a promise they would be ready to open for the Saints to come back, and they did it. It wasn't just a normal time and they committed money to renovation. That money was a necessity to get the Saints back in the dome. IT has no bearing on any future money that would be spent on a new stadium. Other than that, I agree with you.

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06-29-2007, 08:31 AM	#63
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	I disagree with you fully due to what I said previously, and due to the fact that I of course watched the finals being a spurs fan and you are greatly overexaggerating everything the commentators said, and interviews with "fans" on the riverwalk. I had a feeling though what you were saying was not based in hard numbers but based in "impressions." I live here, trust me you are wrong about how the fans feel about the Spurs. I also disagree cause the NFL is the best, most loved, and most watched sports programming on the planet. There is almost no comparison at this point between NFL and NBA attendance and fan loyalty. You put a football team anywhere with people and it will ALWAYS outdraw the NBA. Football has done a beautiful job of creating one huge impression with fans that will keep people law til the end of time, parity. The fact we could go from 3-13 to the NFC championship game is a testament to the statement "An Given Sunday." You don't have that in basketball. You have the have, and have nots, and poor marketing. It's a league not on par with the NFL. So trying to compare what fans would be like between the two is almost irrelevant anywhere outside of Los Angeles, where the indifference is palpable. You'd also have to consider all the people who may be Cowboys fans in the area, but can't drive all the way to Dallas for a game, but love football. You'd also have to consider people coming from Mexico for games, where they sold over 100,000 tickets to see the Cards and the 49ers. So don't let that "impression" you got fool you. The NBA is not on the same level is the NFL, and would get more than enough support from this area. I just don't want it to be the Saints. I love going back home for games. But if more people think like you and so boo on a new stadium cause you think another area couldn't support the team as the Gulf South does, you'd be mistaken IMO. Difference of opinion I guess.

06-29-2007, 10:39 AM	#66
Nemesis VIP~~Drunken Clam Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Quahog Posts: 422	The league and Feds just spending all that money on the Dome was always on my mind while responding. I haven't found any evidence of the league being leery of the condtion of the Dome for SBs. Ol girl is in fine shape, but I'd still like those FQ balconies. Many other modifications are still on the drawing board. To be fair, I'd like to submit that the Dome seating isn't optimal for basketball. The Final Four had beefs with the seating, and seems to be seeking other venues. I've heard Indy's new Dome was guaranteed the Final Four every 4 Years. I know the league awards SBs to new domes, but I'm confident that even if the SB went to a similar rotation, NO would still be in that number with our current Dome. At least until I hear otherwise...

06-29-2007, 12:26 PM	#68
Nemesis VIP~~Drunken Clam Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Quahog Posts: 422	Most people want another Dome or retractable roof, if we build anew. I don't see any reason to build a football only stadium. That would be an even worse waste than imploding the Dome. The question now turns to having enough events to justify keeping the old Dome around. Seems we're just creating more problems.

06-29-2007, 12:45 PM	#69
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Well, if the "new stadium" is in the East, convincing conventions and other events that are usually downtown to go out there will be pretty hard. If anything, I would think having the dome free on weekends during the fall would allow for more events to take place there. I don't see how it would be a problem at all. I am also pretty sure before a new stadium is actually broken ground on, a plan will be in place for the dome. They're not gonna build a new stadium without one.

06-29-2007, 01:20 PM	#70
redjem25 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Orleans Posts: 203	There are many things the dome could be used for: a few examples are concerts, trade shows, conventions and sports competitions. (jewelry, craft, gun and boat shows, dance and cheerleading competitions, pageants) The gun show was last weekend at the ponch. center in Kenner. It could be held at the dome and which may attract more vendors. Closer to hotels and more parking. There are major dance competitions held all over the country, why not host one New Orleans? The arena is booked several months for b.b season so use the dome for major music concerts. The last few concerts that have been here were sellouts or close to it. Booking a larger venue means more $$$$. The Essence Festival is back in the dome this year. Move the Mardi Gras Balls to the dome. Even high schools could play in the dome. The new stadium could be for our Saints and them alone. They could work out, practice and play there and it would always be available to them. I know Benson would love that. Its a win win all the way. There's only one problem... Who the hell is going to pay for it???
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