saintfan

All the protection she (and her boyfriend) used failed. She didn\'t want to get pregnant. Will you then give her your permission if she can prove she tried to prevent it? And why should you factor so greatly in HER life? Let GOD (if there is such a thing) deal with her.

The Majority says she can choose Billy.

If it\'s alive then it\'s alive. Why do you think a birth defect is any reason to allow it?

The \"price\" is the big debate isn\'t it? It\'s HER life and HER baby...not yours...not your decision. That\'s my opinion for all the reasons I\'ve mentioned in this thread.

C'mon Man...

GumboBC

First thing, leave God out of it. Has nothing to do with what I\'m talking about. I\'m talking about responsibility for ones own actions. That\'s my agenda, saintfan.

If the protection failed, then she knew that risk before hand, didn\'t she? As a matter of fact, all women know that before hand don\'t they?

They know there\'s a chance they could get pregnent. They don\'t know when life begins either do they? And neither do you, do you?

But they do know if they get pregnant that they have the right to kill an unborn child because there\'s enough folks out there in the world like you who just look the other way.

Folks who say: \"Who am I to say anything?\' It\'s her body, her decision.\"

What a cop out.

Stand up for something saintfan. What better thing to stand up for than a human life?

[Edited on 21/8/2004 by GumboBC]

saintfan

Cop Out? Hardly. Stand up for something? I believe I am. I\'m standing up for my right to make a decision...and a difficult one at that...without your input since I know what\'s best for me. I want that freedom. I am allowed that freedom here (thank God) because my decision doesn\'t affect you. You don\'t know me. You don\'t know any of these women you condem either. All you know is what you\'ve seen and think and feel with respect to your persepctive. I have my own. Whodat has his own. And somewhere in America there\'s a woman making a difficult decision about which you know nothing. I think if a woman is pregnant she should also have that freedom, and I don\'t thing you have the right to take that freedom away from her simply because you deem her decision as wrong. No Spin baby. Right or Wrong Billy it\'s not your decision to make. You don\'t have to like it. That\'s part of this \"freedom\" deal. No, you don\'t have to like it, but your displeasure with a particular thing does not make you the decision maker. No spin baby. For some people that\'s a hard pill to swallow. I understand that, but that\'s the way it is...and thank God that it is.

C'mon Man...

ScottyRo

I just want to point out that this issue was settled by a court of 9, not a majority vote of the people. The vote on the court was 5-4, if I remember correctly.

I write this just to say that you may not be accurate in saying the majority believe abortion is ok. I can\'t dispute that either.

saintfan

If the majority didn\'t think so things would be different. You know it and I know it...and there\'s nary a better system in the world. Try and take that freedom and see where you land.

Start a new thread and lets take a little vote. Where do you think the opinion will fall ScottyRo?

[Edited on 21/8/2004 by saintfan]

ScottyRo

I believe that too. Ben Franklin had this to say, (I paraphrase) The Constitution as drafted was not perfect, but it was the best he could imagine being drafted at the time.

I state that to say that we live in a great country, but there\'s definitely improvement to be made.

The majority of the people of the US voted for Al Gore and he\'s still not President. This is just an example of one way in which the majority wouldn\'t necessarily get its way.

[Edited on 21/8/2004 by ScottyRo]

saintfan

Scotty, you\'re quote regarding \"reality\" is accurate.

Start that poll will ya? Let\'s see. Now I\'m curious.

GumboBC

saintfan --

You seem to have a lot of sympathy for some woman, somewhere, who might have to have a baby becasue SHE got herself pregnant.

Millions of women have babies and are perfectly fine. SO ARE THE BABIES!! Who is getting harmed that way? NOBODY !!

Does it cause the woman a little discomfort? Yes, it does. But nobody put her in the position she\'s in but herself. And she can put the baby up for adoption. That seems to be the RIGHT thing to do. The logical thing to do.

But, we got folks who ALLOW women to KILL unborn babies in the name of \"CONVIENCE\" !! And make no mistake, in 99% of abortions that\'s what it is. It\'s a convience !!

I have NO sympathy for those folks. NONE !!

Of course, there are cases where common sense should prevail. Nothing is black and white. And certainly not the abortion issue.

I know the difference between right and wrong. And this is a pretty easy one to determine.

I realize I\'m not going to change your mind. Remember, slavery was once legal. Was it right? You\'ll have to decide that for yourself. It\'s a pretty easy answer for me. I\'m betting you\'ll have to think that one over?

Stand up for what\'s right ! Make people accountable and this WILL be a better country!!

saintfan

Do you? And you\'re basing this knowledge on what, exactly? Is what\'s \"right\" for you \"right\" for me? Is it \"right\" for some person halfway across the globe?

It\'s not about sympathy for anyone. It\'s about preventing people like you from making very personal decisions for someone else when it\'s none of your business.

According to Whom? Are you now the \"right thing to do\" police?

Have there been any people knocking on your door looking for sympathy. See just how little you matter in their decision? Go figure.

See Billy, the debate rages on about when it\'s a life. There\'s so solid evidence that points to that particular point. That\'s where you\'re caught. If you think you have the right to force a woman to do someting to her body then you\'re livin in the wrong country. They have control of their woman like that over in the middle east.

Now, knock yourself out. If you care so much why don\'t you and ScottyRo start up a little anti-abortion rally somewhere down on Bourbon Street. If you live through the day go back for day two. Go ahead. Try and convince the women in this country that you and ScottyRo know what\'s best for them short and long term.

You wanna make it \"wrong\" to get an abortion. I\'m inclined to agree. But I\'m comfortable allowing another person to make that decision on their own. If you\'re not comfortable with that then see if you can make a change. I dare you.

C'mon Man...

GumboBC

saintfan -- Whether or not I can make a difference or not doesn\'t have anything to do with this issue.

You keep saying NO ONE has the right to tell a woman she can\'t have an abortion. You say some stranger doesn\'t have the right to do so. Do we have to know the person personally to know the difference between right and wrong? That\'s just silly. What the hell does that have to do with it? NOTHING !!

I don\'t have to know her to know she got herself pregnant. I don\'t have to know her to know she should have the baby and put it up for adoption. If the woman is healthy enough to have the child, she should do that. I\'m sorry that she\'s going to have to be miserable for 9 months. I\'m sorry she made a mistake. I wish she wouldn\'t have gotten herself pregnant if she didn\'t want a child. Sh!t happens though. Deal with it !! Do the RIGHT thing !!

I don\'t want to control folks lives. I\'m not trying to control folks lives. I\'m trying to SAVE lives. And you can\'t tell me a \"NEW\" live wouldn\'t happen if she didn\'t get an abortion. Forget when live begins. There\'s no proving that one. EVER !! But the \"process\" of forming a new life has begun.

You know who started that process? The MOTHER !!

What\'s next? Is termination of life before the age of one OK? There\'s no harm done there is it? The child will never know it got killed. Do you remember anything before the age of ONE? I don\'t !!

Oh, I got it. As long as the umbillical cord is attached, it\'s ok for the mother to kill the child. It\'s her decision as long as the umbillical cord is attached. Cut that cord and it becomes murder. That\'s a fine line there, my friend.

I\'ve always said anything can be justified. Somewhere, someone, come up with an idea.

Idea:

\"Hey there\'s too many people in this world. Women could terminate there pregnacy, but the people wouldn\'t stand for that. How do we change their mind? Hmm....

I know, let\'s put up the arguement that NO ONE knows when life begins. Let\'s tell folks livf doens\'t begin untill the baby is actually born? Nah, that won\'t buy that. Let\'s say the 8th month of pregnancy is whan life starts. Nah...let\'s make it the 6th month. Or maybe the 5th month. Yep, the 5th month the baby should only be half formed. They\'ll buy that.

Some did buy it, saintfan. I ain\'t buying what they sellin\' though.....