B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago

RefsRobbedUs · 01-26-2021, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Not that I want this, but can Winston be tenderer for a first round pick like Hill was last off season?

No, Hill was restricted. Winston is unrestricted.

lee909 · 01-26-2021, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by RefsRobbedUs

So the only option is Taysom or a rookie?

Yikes

They could find a way to pay him but the big question is "Is it in the long term interest to add void years and pay that money over a number of years". This year has really proven that pushing money into the future expecting the cap to jump on new deals comes with massive risks if it doesn't.

subguy · 01-26-2021, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I think teams know they ****ed up now. 😂

They knew it prior to this year, in which his mouth proved he valued I as opposed to team, and was injured and then fought with teammates. This year he was sharply over paid and over valued.

subguy · 01-26-2021, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I don't hate Stafford, but I'd take Jameis over Stafford every day of the week and twice on Sunday's. Jameis would do very well with Sean.

Put another vote for the Stafford side...

SaintGnome · 01-26-2021, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

What you thinkin’? 🤔

I’m spit ballin’.

The one year thing scares me. If we are going to actually give him a legitimate chance to start, if he balls out in 2021 he's going to want 30-40 just next year and could leave if he doesn't get it from us. I could stomach 12-15 mil in a 3 year contract.

I didn't like bringing him in, and I didn't want to see him as our starter but you make a good point, he's probably the best bang for the buck we're going to get for what we'll be able to pay. I say give him the 3yr and let it be an open competition with him and Taysom.

vpheughan · 01-27-2021, 12:59 PM

Look into Cooks numbers:
3 years with Drew Brees 20 TD longest in NO 50, 71, 98 Declining arm
1 year with Brady 7 TD longest in NE 64 good arm
2 years with Goff 7 TD longest in LA 57 strong arm
1 year with Watson 6 TD longest in HO 57 cannon arm
4 year TD total: 20 TD

He's done no better with non declining arms. In fact took him one more year to equal his stay in NO.

K Major · 01-27-2021, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by subguy

Put another vote for the Stafford side...

Speculation is that Detroit wants a 1st & a player for Matthew. Highland Park is 32 years old with a body in decline. Mentally, he may have checked out.

Big gamble right there.

Boston Saint · 01-27-2021, 01:49 PM

No way would I trade picks for Stafford or Watson. I’d keep them, replenish talent, and bet on Winston. Only QB I would trade for would be Rodgers.

TheOak · 01-28-2021, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

They could find a way to pay him but the big question is "Is it in the long term interest to add void years and pay that money over a number of years". This year has really proven that pushing money into the future expecting the cap to jump on new deals comes with massive risks if it doesn't.

The issue is that 'finding a way' this season also diminishes a need for him. Stripping the team of any talent to have a decent QB is really a net zero exercise.

rezburna · 01-28-2021, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Look into Cooks numbers:
3 years with Drew Brees 20 TD longest in NO 50, 71, 98 Declining arm
1 year with Brady 7 TD longest in NE 64 good arm
2 years with Goff 7 TD longest in LA 57 strong arm
1 year with Watson 6 TD longest in HO 57 cannon arm
4 year TD total: 20 TD

He's done no better with non declining arms. In fact took him one more year to equal his stay in NO.

Brandin Cooks has a bad attitude and an overblown view of his worth. He could have been like Tyreek Hill, but he isn’t as tough. Despite his observation of Brees being accurate, he doesn’t want us observing and dissecting his play.

01-26-2021, 03:25 PM	#61
RefsRobbedUs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 659	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Originally Posted by Boston Saint Not that I want this, but can Winston be tenderer for a first round pick like Hill was last off season? No, Hill was restricted. Winston is unrestricted. Boston Saint likes this.
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01-26-2021, 03:27 PM	#62
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Originally Posted by RefsRobbedUs So the only option is Taysom or a rookie? Yikes They could find a way to pay him but the big question is "Is it in the long term interest to add void years and pay that money over a number of years". This year has really proven that pushing money into the future expecting the cap to jump on new deals comes with massive risks if it doesn't.

01-26-2021, 05:40 PM	#63
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,104	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Originally Posted by rezburna I think teams know they ****ed up now. 😂 They knew it prior to this year, in which his mouth proved he valued I as opposed to team, and was injured and then fought with teammates. This year he was sharply over paid and over valued. Rugby Saint II likes this.

01-26-2021, 05:42 PM	#64
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,104	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Originally Posted by saintfan I don't hate Stafford, but I'd take Jameis over Stafford every day of the week and twice on Sunday's. Jameis would do very well with Sean. Put another vote for the Stafford side...

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SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Originally Posted by rezburna What you thinkin’? 🤔 I’m spit ballin’. The one year thing scares me. If we are going to actually give him a legitimate chance to start, if he balls out in 2021 he's going to want 30-40 just next year and could leave if he doesn't get it from us. I could stomach 12-15 mil in a 3 year contract. I didn't like bringing him in, and I didn't want to see him as our starter but you make a good point, he's probably the best bang for the buck we're going to get for what we'll be able to pay. I say give him the 3yr and let it be an open competition with him and Taysom.

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vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,557	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Look into Cooks numbers: 3 years with Drew Brees 20 TD longest in NO 50, 71, 98 Declining arm 1 year with Brady 7 TD longest in NE 64 good arm 2 years with Goff 7 TD longest in LA 57 strong arm 1 year with Watson 6 TD longest in HO 57 cannon arm 4 year TD total: 20 TD He's done no better with non declining arms. In fact took him one more year to equal his stay in NO. SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.
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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,840 Blog Entries: 3	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Originally Posted by subguy Put another vote for the Stafford side... Speculation is that Detroit wants a 1st & a player for Matthew. Highland Park is 32 years old with a body in decline. Mentally, he may have checked out. Big gamble right there. Rsanders24, SmashMouth, jeanpierre and 1 others like this.

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Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago No way would I trade picks for Stafford or Watson. I’d keep them, replenish talent, and bet on Winston. Only QB I would trade for would be Rodgers.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Originally Posted by lee909 They could find a way to pay him but the big question is "Is it in the long term interest to add void years and pay that money over a number of years". This year has really proven that pushing money into the future expecting the cap to jump on new deals comes with massive risks if it doesn't. The issue is that 'finding a way' this season also diminishes a need for him. Stripping the team of any talent to have a decent QB is really a net zero exercise. SmashMouth likes this.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Originally Posted by vpheughan Look into Cooks numbers: 3 years with Drew Brees 20 TD longest in NO 50, 71, 98 Declining arm 1 year with Brady 7 TD longest in NE 64 good arm 2 years with Goff 7 TD longest in LA 57 strong arm 1 year with Watson 6 TD longest in HO 57 cannon arm 4 year TD total: 20 TD He's done no better with non declining arms. In fact took him one more year to equal his stay in NO. Brandin Cooks has a bad attitude and an overblown view of his worth. He could have been like Tyreek Hill, but he isn’t as tough. Despite his observation of Brees being accurate, he doesn’t want us observing and dissecting his play. SmashMouth and shawnkytonk like this.