Packers are in similar boat with Saints

K Major · 01-25-2021, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Total BS on the throw. The ball that Winston threw was 28 air yards so don't give me this 50 yard crap and it was a throw I could have made. The key was coverage broke down and 4 defenders went after Kamara on the wheel route.

Trust your eyes Buds.

I think it's a bit short sighted if you don't think Jameis has a strong arm. My point here is that you need a QB who can stretch the field. Brees can no longer do that & Emmanuel S/Deonte/3quan have been limited because of it. My illustration had nothing to do with Tampa's broken down coverage on that play.

Why do you think Sean rotated Taysom in on passing plays throughout the course of the season? Again, my point of emphasis here is that you must be able to stretch the field to keep defenses honest.

Bowles game plan was a lot less complicated knowing his free safety didn't have to stay back deep.

And no, you couldn't have made that throw

dizzle88 · 01-25-2021, 04:05 PM

KC now is what we would have looked like if Payton bothered to get Brees a D in his prime.

Brees arm is done, our playoff exits look so familiar because all those playoff teams know the blueprint.

Clog the middle of the field and take away Brees' checkdowns, when that happens he can't exploit one on one coverage deep like he used to, because he doesn't have the arm to get it there anymore.

gosaints1 · 01-25-2021, 04:10 PM

Hash mark to hash mark, it was roughly 40 yards in the air, give or take a few feet in either direction. Winston was on the 34 when he let the ball loose, Smith was on the 27, maybe 26 when he hauled it in and completed the pass.

Regardless of which defender went which way, it was nice to see a Saints QB let loose on a pass, without hesitation or second guessing into a check down. Just let your receiver run under your pass. It is definitely missing in this offense. Personally, I don’t care who is under center, I just want to see more passes like that. A lot more.

turbo_dog · 01-25-2021, 04:11 PM

Let's not forget it is all scripted and the story was written for TB12 to play in the Superbowl this year. Also the only year the NFL and host city would WANT the home team to play in the Superbowl, because of the restrictions due to Covid. Otherwise, think of all the tourist revenue they would miss in Tampa for the week.

st thomas · 01-25-2021, 06:45 PM

Could taysom have played. He wasn’t walking with a limp what I saw. Or was the game a swan song for Drew with no outside help at QB. Did it backfire on Payton thinking Drew Brees alone could get pass the bucs a third time. ? Just throwing crap out there like u hear out there.

The Dude · 01-25-2021, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

All I’m saying is Tampa just beat us at home and just beat GB at home. One team has a QB that can’t throw deep, one is the best at throwing deep. Both teams could have defeated Tampa if plays would have gone their way. Blaming on Drew’s weak arm is a cop out.

We had all the pieces we needed to have success in spite of any drop off in Drew’s play. When Taysom and Murray went down those pieces went away. They built this team with Brees decline in mind and the offense was tailor made to succeed in spite of that. With Taysom and Murray in the game to take some of that pressure off Brees we would have stomped Tampa. I blame injury for our post season problems as of late more so than I do the players and coaching.

st thomas · 01-25-2021, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

We had all the pieces we needed to have success in spite of any drop off in Drew’s play. When Taysom and Murray went down those pieces went away. They built this team with Brees decline in mind and the offense was tailor made to succeed in spite of that. With Taysom and Murray in the game to take some of that pressure off Brees we would have stomped Tampa. I blame injury for our post season problems as of late more so than I do the players and coaching.

That was my first reaction , it was only half our winning offense. In place, we got half the score we should have.

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Lord_Saint83 · 01-25-2021, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Hash mark to hash mark, it was roughly 40 yards in the air, give or take a few feet in either direction. Winston was on the 34 when he let the ball loose, Smith was on the 27, maybe 26 when he hauled it in and completed the pass.

Regardless of which defender went which way, it was nice to see a Saints QB let loose on a pass, without hesitation or second guessing into a check down. Just let your receiver run under your pass. It is definitely missing in this offense. Personally, I don’t care who is under center, I just want to see more passes like that. A lot more.

To be quite honest I think there was no doubt Jameis was going deep be damned if it looked good or not, lol

TheOak · 01-26-2021, 05:10 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

Difference is GB didn't have their QB try to hide an injury for a year.

You think Drew hid his injuries from the team?

Budsdrinker · 01-26-2021, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Trust your eyes Buds.

I think it's a bit short sighted if you don't think Jameis has a strong arm. My point here is that you need a QB who can stretch the field. Brees can no longer do that & Emmanuel S/Deonte/3quan have been limited because of it. My illustration had nothing to do with Tampa's broken down coverage on that play.

Why do you think Sean rotated Taysom in on passing plays throughout the course of the season? Again, my point of emphasis here is that you must be able to stretch the field to keep defenses honest.

Bowles game plan was a lot less complicated knowing his free safety didn't have to stay back deep.

And no, you couldn't have made that throw

Never said Winston didn't have a strong arm. Of course he does but Tampa is in the superbowl with the same team he had in 2019 that he could only get to 7-9. Just because you can throw the ball 60 yards doesn't mean victory. Lot's of those throws become 3rd down punts as ints. I don't believe he is our answer. Great route running can do the same as stretching the field. Thomas is our best route runner but his ankle had him limited and he couldn't get off the press at the line. Harris has the potential to be our poor man's Tyreek Hill if he can stay healthy. Brees is probably done but I would be alright if he came back for another year even if it's just for salary cap purposes. The past 15 years we have only had 5 QB's start a game for the Saints. 3 due to injury and 1 due to resting starters for our superbowl run and Brees. The 15 years before that we had 17 different QB's. Us older fans remember the instability and terrible play at QB and it's difficult to just say Brees is done because he can't throw 50 yards. Plenty of folks here are spoiled with our recent success and don't remember when the only games on TV were the road games because 55,000 fans weren't enough to lift local blackouts. I'm prepared to see us struggle until we find a suitable replacement. I was a fan with Archie and when we were playing the 3 different Bobby's, the 2 Wilson's the 2 Billy Joes and a host of others. I'll still be here when we figure out who our next one will be. I just don't believe it is Winston. I hope he can prove me wrong. And Major, whenever you want to drink on it, I'll throw you a few passes.

01-25-2021, 03:50 PM	#21
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,048 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Packers are in similar boat with Saints Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Total BS on the throw. The ball that Winston threw was 28 air yards so don't give me this 50 yard crap and it was a throw I could have made. The key was coverage broke down and 4 defenders went after Kamara on the wheel route. Trust your eyes Buds. I think it's a bit short sighted if you don't think Jameis has a strong arm. My point here is that you need a QB who can stretch the field. Brees can no longer do that & Emmanuel S/Deonte/3quan have been limited because of it. My illustration had nothing to do with Tampa's broken down coverage on that play. Why do you think Sean rotated Taysom in on passing plays throughout the course of the season? Again, my point of emphasis here is that you must be able to stretch the field to keep defenses honest. Bowles game plan was a lot less complicated knowing his free safety didn't have to stay back deep. And no, you couldn't have made that throw Rsanders24, dizzle88 and gosaints1 like this.
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01-25-2021, 04:05 PM	#22
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,838	Re: Packers are in similar boat with Saints KC now is what we would have looked like if Payton bothered to get Brees a D in his prime. Brees arm is done, our playoff exits look so familiar because all those playoff teams know the blueprint. Clog the middle of the field and take away Brees' checkdowns, when that happens he can't exploit one on one coverage deep like he used to, because he doesn't have the arm to get it there anymore.

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gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Packers are in similar boat with Saints Hash mark to hash mark, it was roughly 40 yards in the air, give or take a few feet in either direction. Winston was on the 34 when he let the ball loose, Smith was on the 27, maybe 26 when he hauled it in and completed the pass. Regardless of which defender went which way, it was nice to see a Saints QB let loose on a pass, without hesitation or second guessing into a check down. Just let your receiver run under your pass. It is definitely missing in this offense. Personally, I don’t care who is under center, I just want to see more passes like that. A lot more. Lord_Saint83 likes this.
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01-25-2021, 04:11 PM	#24
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,542	Re: Packers are in similar boat with Saints Let's not forget it is all scripted and the story was written for TB12 to play in the Superbowl this year. Also the only year the NFL and host city would WANT the home team to play in the Superbowl, because of the restrictions due to Covid. Otherwise, think of all the tourist revenue they would miss in Tampa for the week. jnormand and Boston Saint like this.

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st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Packers are in similar boat with Saints Could taysom have played. He wasn’t walking with a limp what I saw. Or was the game a swan song for Drew with no outside help at QB. Did it backfire on Payton thinking Drew Brees alone could get pass the bucs a third time. ? Just throwing crap out there like u hear out there.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,006	Re: Packers are in similar boat with Saints Originally Posted by Boston Saint All I’m saying is Tampa just beat us at home and just beat GB at home. One team has a QB that can’t throw deep, one is the best at throwing deep. Both teams could have defeated Tampa if plays would have gone their way. Blaming on Drew’s weak arm is a cop out. We had all the pieces we needed to have success in spite of any drop off in Drew’s play. When Taysom and Murray went down those pieces went away. They built this team with Brees decline in mind and the offense was tailor made to succeed in spite of that. With Taysom and Murray in the game to take some of that pressure off Brees we would have stomped Tampa. I blame injury for our post season problems as of late more so than I do the players and coaching. st thomas likes this.
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01-25-2021, 07:38 PM	#27
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Packers are in similar boat with Saints Originally Posted by The Dude We had all the pieces we needed to have success in spite of any drop off in Drew’s play. When Taysom and Murray went down those pieces went away. They built this team with Brees decline in mind and the offense was tailor made to succeed in spite of that. With Taysom and Murray in the game to take some of that pressure off Brees we would have stomped Tampa. I blame injury for our post season problems as of late more so than I do the players and coaching. That was my first reaction , it was only half our winning offense. In place, we got half the score we should have. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

01-25-2021, 08:49 PM	#28
Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: Packers are in similar boat with Saints Originally Posted by gosaints1 Hash mark to hash mark, it was roughly 40 yards in the air, give or take a few feet in either direction. Winston was on the 34 when he let the ball loose, Smith was on the 27, maybe 26 when he hauled it in and completed the pass. Regardless of which defender went which way, it was nice to see a Saints QB let loose on a pass, without hesitation or second guessing into a check down. Just let your receiver run under your pass. It is definitely missing in this offense. Personally, I don’t care who is under center, I just want to see more passes like that. A lot more. To be quite honest I think there was no doubt Jameis was going deep be damned if it looked good or not, lol

01-26-2021, 05:10 AM	#29
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Packers are in similar boat with Saints Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 Difference is GB didn't have their QB try to hide an injury for a year. You think Drew hid his injuries from the team?

01-26-2021, 07:47 AM	#30
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Packers are in similar boat with Saints Originally Posted by K Major Trust your eyes Buds. I think it's a bit short sighted if you don't think Jameis has a strong arm. My point here is that you need a QB who can stretch the field. Brees can no longer do that & Emmanuel S/Deonte/3quan have been limited because of it. My illustration had nothing to do with Tampa's broken down coverage on that play. Why do you think Sean rotated Taysom in on passing plays throughout the course of the season? Again, my point of emphasis here is that you must be able to stretch the field to keep defenses honest. Bowles game plan was a lot less complicated knowing his free safety didn't have to stay back deep. And no, you couldn't have made that throw Never said Winston didn't have a strong arm. Of course he does but Tampa is in the superbowl with the same team he had in 2019 that he could only get to 7-9. Just because you can throw the ball 60 yards doesn't mean victory. Lot's of those throws become 3rd down punts as ints. I don't believe he is our answer. Great route running can do the same as stretching the field. Thomas is our best route runner but his ankle had him limited and he couldn't get off the press at the line. Harris has the potential to be our poor man's Tyreek Hill if he can stay healthy. Brees is probably done but I would be alright if he came back for another year even if it's just for salary cap purposes. The past 15 years we have only had 5 QB's start a game for the Saints. 3 due to injury and 1 due to resting starters for our superbowl run and Brees. The 15 years before that we had 17 different QB's. Us older fans remember the instability and terrible play at QB and it's difficult to just say Brees is done because he can't throw 50 yards. Plenty of folks here are spoiled with our recent success and don't remember when the only games on TV were the road games because 55,000 fans weren't enough to lift local blackouts. I'm prepared to see us struggle until we find a suitable replacement. I was a fan with Archie and when we were playing the 3 different Bobby's, the 2 Wilson's the 2 Billy Joes and a host of others. I'll still be here when we figure out who our next one will be. I just don't believe it is Winston. I hope he can prove me wrong. And Major, whenever you want to drink on it, I'll throw you a few passes.