Packers are in similar boat with Saints

Budsdrinker · 01-25-2021, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Facts.

Just looking at some of Baldy's breakdown on that Tampa/Saints game, Bowles often had 3, 4 guys trail with Alvin. 4 defenders, leaving Mike and Sanders with man coverage.

One of the only times the Bucs were "tricked" is when AK was under center/wildcat, tossed it to Jameis and he slung it 40 yards to a high school wide open 3quan.

It was obvious that they didn't respect the deep pass from Brees.

For 2021, I simply want to see our next QB stretch the field & keep defenses honest.

** Edit - Jameis threw it 50 + yards with little effort.

Jameis Winston Slings It 56 Yds on Trick Play TD - YouTube

Total BS on the throw. The ball that Winston threw was 28 air yards so don't give me this 50 yard crap and it was a throw I could have made. The key was coverage broke down and 4 defenders went after Kamara on the wheel route.

K Major · 01-25-2021, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Total BS on the throw. The ball that Winston threw was 28 air yards so don't give me this 50 yard crap and it was a throw I could have made. The key was coverage broke down and 4 defenders went after Kamara on the wheel route.

Trust your eyes Buds.

I think it's a bit short sighted if you don't think Jameis has a strong arm. My point here is that you need a QB who can stretch the field. Brees can no longer do that & Emmanuel S/Deonte/3quan have been limited because of it. My illustration had nothing to do with Tampa's broken down coverage on that play.

Why do you think Sean rotated Taysom in on passing plays throughout the course of the season? Again, my point of emphasis here is that you must be able to stretch the field to keep defenses honest.

Bowles game plan was a lot less complicated knowing his free safety didn't have to stay back deep.

And no, you couldn't have made that throw

Budsdrinker · 01-26-2021, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Trust your eyes Buds.

I think it's a bit short sighted if you don't think Jameis has a strong arm. My point here is that you need a QB who can stretch the field. Brees can no longer do that & Emmanuel S/Deonte/3quan have been limited because of it. My illustration had nothing to do with Tampa's broken down coverage on that play.

Why do you think Sean rotated Taysom in on passing plays throughout the course of the season? Again, my point of emphasis here is that you must be able to stretch the field to keep defenses honest.

Bowles game plan was a lot less complicated knowing his free safety didn't have to stay back deep.

And no, you couldn't have made that throw

Never said Winston didn't have a strong arm. Of course he does but Tampa is in the superbowl with the same team he had in 2019 that he could only get to 7-9. Just because you can throw the ball 60 yards doesn't mean victory. Lot's of those throws become 3rd down punts as ints. I don't believe he is our answer. Great route running can do the same as stretching the field. Thomas is our best route runner but his ankle had him limited and he couldn't get off the press at the line. Harris has the potential to be our poor man's Tyreek Hill if he can stay healthy. Brees is probably done but I would be alright if he came back for another year even if it's just for salary cap purposes. The past 15 years we have only had 5 QB's start a game for the Saints. 3 due to injury and 1 due to resting starters for our superbowl run and Brees. The 15 years before that we had 17 different QB's. Us older fans remember the instability and terrible play at QB and it's difficult to just say Brees is done because he can't throw 50 yards. Plenty of folks here are spoiled with our recent success and don't remember when the only games on TV were the road games because 55,000 fans weren't enough to lift local blackouts. I'm prepared to see us struggle until we find a suitable replacement. I was a fan with Archie and when we were playing the 3 different Bobby's, the 2 Wilson's the 2 Billy Joes and a host of others. I'll still be here when we figure out who our next one will be. I just don't believe it is Winston. I hope he can prove me wrong. And Major, whenever you want to drink on it, I'll throw you a few passes.

01-25-2021, 03:32 PM	#1
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Packers are in similar boat with Saints Originally Posted by K Major Facts. Just looking at some of Baldy's breakdown on that Tampa/Saints game, Bowles often had 3, 4 guys trail with Alvin. 4 defenders, leaving Mike and Sanders with man coverage. One of the only times the Bucs were "tricked" is when AK was under center/wildcat, tossed it to Jameis and he slung it 40 yards to a high school wide open 3quan. It was obvious that they didn't respect the deep pass from Brees. *For 2021, I simply want to see our next QB stretch the field* & keep defenses honest. Edit - Jameis threw it 50 + yards with little effort. Jameis Winston Slings It 56 Yds on Trick Play TD - YouTube Total BS on the throw. The ball that Winston threw was 28 air yards so don't give me this 50 yard crap and it was a throw I could have made. The key was coverage broke down and 4 defenders went after Kamara on the wheel route. Rell&Gold likes this.

01-25-2021, 03:50 PM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Packers are in similar boat with Saints Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Total BS on the throw. The ball that Winston threw was 28 air yards so don't give me this 50 yard crap and it was a throw I could have made. The key was coverage broke down and 4 defenders went after Kamara on the wheel route. Trust your eyes Buds. I think it's a bit short sighted if you don't think Jameis has a strong arm. My point here is that you need a QB who can stretch the field. Brees can no longer do that & Emmanuel S/Deonte/3quan have been limited because of it. My illustration had nothing to do with Tampa's broken down coverage on that play. Why do you think Sean rotated Taysom in on passing plays throughout the course of the season? Again, my point of emphasis here is that you must be able to stretch the field to keep defenses honest. Bowles game plan was a lot less complicated knowing his free safety didn't have to stay back deep. And no, you couldn't have made that throw Rsanders24, dizzle88 and gosaints1 like this.

01-26-2021, 07:47 AM	#3
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Packers are in similar boat with Saints Originally Posted by K Major Trust your eyes Buds. I think it's a bit short sighted if you don't think Jameis has a strong arm. My point here is that you need a QB who can stretch the field. Brees can no longer do that & Emmanuel S/Deonte/3quan have been limited because of it. My illustration had nothing to do with Tampa's broken down coverage on that play. Why do you think Sean rotated Taysom in on passing plays throughout the course of the season? Again, my point of emphasis here is that you must be able to stretch the field to keep defenses honest. Bowles game plan was a lot less complicated knowing his free safety didn't have to stay back deep. And no, you couldn't have made that throw Never said Winston didn't have a strong arm. Of course he does but Tampa is in the superbowl with the same team he had in 2019 that he could only get to 7-9. Just because you can throw the ball 60 yards doesn't mean victory. Lot's of those throws become 3rd down punts as ints. I don't believe he is our answer. Great route running can do the same as stretching the field. Thomas is our best route runner but his ankle had him limited and he couldn't get off the press at the line. Harris has the potential to be our poor man's Tyreek Hill if he can stay healthy. Brees is probably done but I would be alright if he came back for another year even if it's just for salary cap purposes. The past 15 years we have only had 5 QB's start a game for the Saints. 3 due to injury and 1 due to resting starters for our superbowl run and Brees. The 15 years before that we had 17 different QB's. Us older fans remember the instability and terrible play at QB and it's difficult to just say Brees is done because he can't throw 50 yards. Plenty of folks here are spoiled with our recent success and don't remember when the only games on TV were the road games because 55,000 fans weren't enough to lift local blackouts. I'm prepared to see us struggle until we find a suitable replacement. I was a fan with Archie and when we were playing the 3 different Bobby's, the 2 Wilson's the 2 Billy Joes and a host of others. I'll still be here when we figure out who our next one will be. I just don't believe it is Winston. I hope he can prove me wrong. And Major, whenever you want to drink on it, I'll throw you a few passes.