Deshawn Watson.... should we?

TheOak · 01-28-2021, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

That’s Loomis’s job to rework the cap. There are many scenarios were it can be done with minimal casualty. While I do agree that you have to look to the future, you also have to look at next season. I don’t think Sean Payton,
or Michael Thomas or Alvin Kamara has signed on for a five-year plan. This team came within a Cook fumble/Hill healthy/Harris return of beating Tampa. Throwing in the towel and looking for a 5 year plan is silly.

No, there aren't. When you need to free up $30M there are, for $110M there arent at all and the agents of those that need to be restructured are waiting to rake Loomis over the coals because Loomis has no options.

Our Cap issue will drag out passed the draft because there will be holdouts for restructures. This is going to get ugly. Possibly insurrection at Pat O's.

Boston Saint · 01-28-2021, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

No, there aren't. When you need to free up $30M there are, for $110M there arent at all and the agents of those that need to be restructured are waiting to rake Loomis over the coals because Loomis has no options.

Our Cap issue will drag out passed the draft because there will be holdouts for restructures. This is going to get ugly. Possibly insurrection at Pat O's.

“ No, there aren't.“

I guess time will tell won’t it.

YouTube

lee909 · 01-28-2021, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

“ No, there aren't.“

I guess time will tell won’t it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=73rtIWZZUHA

Converting all these salaries into signing bonuses is great until you get to next year and the year after when the cap hit starts jumping massively and you have no way out from keeping these guys longer term because you have tied yourself into them.

TheOak · 01-29-2021, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

“ No, there aren't.“

I guess time will tell won’t it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=73rtIWZZUHA

Thank you, that video says what I am saying, there aren't many scenarios that get you under the cap, that video is one scenario with many optional steps.... Listing 30 people to be restructured is not 30 ways to get under the cap lol.

You didn't pay attention to the point where he mentions being $20M under with only 39 players and with no BU QB I might add? That is as you put it "with minimal casualty"?

His train of restructures and releases leaves you $20M under cap with:

No BU QB
No BU Center
12 more players short a full roster
No Practice squad (Yes they fall under the cap)
Free agency
Teams generally like to start a season with around $4M minimum to allow them to fill openings that come from injury.

You over extend your understanding by saying "It can be done with minimal casualty", then call people silly. Once pressed you retreat under an 'I am not a salary cap expert shield'... Proclaiming Loomis is the expert and it is his job. The salary cap is a number and there is no 'salary cap expert', there are only people very good as finding new ways to make things work.

Boston Saint · 01-29-2021, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Thank you, that video says what I am saying, there aren't many scenarios that get you under the cap, that video is one scenario with many optional steps.... Listing 30 people to be restructured is not 30 ways to get under the cap lol.

You didn't pay attention to the point where he mentions being $20M under with only 39 players and with no BU QB I might add? That is as you put it "with minimal casualty"?

His train of restructures and releases leaves you $20M under cap with:

No BU QB
No BU Center
12 more players short a full roster
No Practice squad (Yes they fall under the cap)
Free agency
Teams generally like to start a season with around $4M minimum to allow them to fill openings that come from injury.

You over extend your understanding by saying "It can be done with minimal casualty", then call people silly. Once pressed you retreat under an 'I am not a salary cap expert shield'... Proclaiming Loomis is the expert and it is his job. The salary cap is a number and there is no 'salary cap expert', there are only people very good as finding new ways to make things work.

Take a chill pill, Oak. I’m not trying to fight with anybody. I never called anyone silly either. I said looking at a 5 Year rebuild plan is silly. I don’t think Payton or Loomis is looking at a 5 year plan. I shared a link to one video detailing a way out of the cap mess everyone says the Saints are in. I watched a different one with Underhill talking about how the Saints have mastered “kicking the can down the road” and he wasn’t as worried about the cap as others. Pardon me.

This thread started about getting Watson or not. I firmly said no primarily on a) not losing needed draft picks and b) not fitting his contract into the team’s cap mess. I’m not saying it’s easy. I’m just saying I don't expect a big collapse that requires a multi-year rebuild plan.

YouTube

01-28-2021, 02:43 PM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Deshawn Watson.... should we? Originally Posted by Boston Saint That’s Loomis’s job to rework the cap. There are many scenarios were it can be done with minimal casualty. While I do agree that you have to look to the future, you also have to look at next season. I don’t think Sean Payton, or Michael Thomas or Alvin Kamara has signed on for a five-year plan. This team came within a Cook fumble/Hill healthy/Harris return of beating Tampa. Throwing in the towel and looking for a 5 year plan is silly. No, there aren't. When you need to free up $30M there are, for $110M there arent at all and the agents of those that need to be restructured are waiting to rake Loomis over the coals because Loomis has no options. Our Cap issue will drag out passed the draft because there will be holdouts for restructures. This is going to get ugly. Possibly insurrection at Pat O's. SmashMouth likes this.

01-28-2021, 07:59 PM	#3
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Deshawn Watson.... should we? Originally Posted by Boston Saint “ No, there aren't.“ I guess time will tell won’t it. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=73rtIWZZUHA Converting all these salaries into signing bonuses is great until you get to next year and the year after when the cap hit starts jumping massively and you have no way out from keeping these guys longer term because you have tied yourself into them. gosaints1 likes this.

01-29-2021, 08:47 AM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Deshawn Watson.... should we? Originally Posted by Boston Saint “ No, there aren't.“ I guess time will tell won’t it. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=73rtIWZZUHA Thank you, that video says what I am saying, there aren't many scenarios that get you under the cap, that video is one scenario with many optional steps.... Listing 30 people to be restructured is not 30 ways to get under the cap lol. You didn't pay attention to the point where he mentions being $20M under with only 39 players and with no BU QB I might add? That is as you put it "with minimal casualty"? His train of restructures and releases leaves you $20M under cap with: No BU QB No BU Center 12 more players short a full roster No Practice squad (Yes they fall under the cap) Free agency Teams generally like to start a season with around $4M minimum to allow them to fill openings that come from injury. You over extend your understanding by saying "It can be done with minimal casualty", then call people silly. Once pressed you retreat under an 'I am not a salary cap expert shield'... Proclaiming Loomis is the expert and it is his job. The salary cap is a number and there is no 'salary cap expert', there are only people very good as finding new ways to make things work. SmashMouth likes this.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau