ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL...

Euphoria · 02-11-2021, 07:10 PM

Here me out...

So what we have seen played out in Tampa and before almost happened in Indy with Rivers...

Build your team O line and Defense. Every position every asset... avoid the young QB who will in 5 or so years start commanding 20-30 million contract.

One the you have all the parts minus the QB then make a play at a top 5 QB who isn't happy and is either in a contract year or wants traded.

Its like they are figuring this out and before long it will be like the NBA.

stickman · 02-11-2021, 07:53 PM

I think it worked in Tampa because so many guys were willing to take a 1 year deal to make a run with Tom Brady. Any other QB, they might have looked elsewhere. Freakin' Gronk came out of retirement for that.

neugey · 02-11-2021, 07:55 PM

Here's the funny thing - the Colts, the Bucs and now the Rams who seem to be locking into this approach - playoff teams yes, but none of them won their division last year. I'd like to see us stay away from this approach and capitalize on other teams getting desperate.

jeanpierre · 02-11-2021, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by stickman

I think it worked in Tampa because so many guys were willing to take a 1 year deal to make a run with Tom Brady. Any other QB, they might have looked elsewhere. Freakin' Gronk came out of retirement for that.

jeanpierre · 02-11-2021, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

Here's the funny thing - the Colts, the Bucs and now the Rams who seem to be locking into this approach - playoff teams yes, but none of them won their division last year. I'd like to see us stay away from this approach and capitalize on other teams getting desperate.

Kinda like Sean's desperation (e.g. Davenport et al draft day trades, Malcolm Jenkins & Andrus Peat FA signings) could lead to Marcus Williams and Trey Hendrickson's departures - and some teams take advantage?

vpheughan · 02-13-2021, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Kinda like Sean's desperation (e.g. Davenport et al draft day trades, Malcolm Jenkins & Andrus Peat FA signings) could lead to Marcus Williams and Trey Hendrickson's departures - and some teams take advantage?

The hit song Kick'em When They're Up, Kick'em When They're Down" From the band 20 - 20 Hindsight led by Mr. BOLDFONT From His Hit album I DID IT THE RIGHT WAY!!!

vpheughan · 02-13-2021, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Here me out...

So what we have seen played out in Tampa and before almost happened in Indy with Rivers...

Build your team O line and Defense. Every position every asset... avoid the young QB who will in 5 or so years start commanding 20-30 million contract.

One the you have all the parts minus the QB then make a play at a top 5 QB who isn't happy and is either in a contract year or wants traded.

Its like they are figuring this out and before long it will be like the NBA.

NOTHING "NEW" ABOUT IT.
Dooms Day, Steel Curtain, Legion Of Boom,
In other words "Defense Wins Championships" Mahomes was held to Zero touch downs.

See: Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams,Brad Johnson, Phil Sims, Jeff Hosteller,Nick Foles last but not least Joe Flacco.

Like Duane Thomas said "If it's the ULTIMATE GAME, why do they play it again next year?"

gosaints1 · 02-13-2021, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

The hit song Kick'em When They're Up, Kick'em When They're Down" From the band 20 - 20 Hindsight led by Mr. BOLDFONT From His Hit album I DID IT THE RIGHT WAY!!!

Personally, I liked the move to go get “the guy we evaluate very highly” wrt Marcus Davenport. That being said, in hindsight, it clearly appears to have been a bad move. That one draft move is not, imho, descriptive of an overall failure in personnel decisions/evaluations.

vpheughan · 02-13-2021, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Kinda like Sean's desperation (e.g. Davenport et al draft day trades, Malcolm Jenkins & Andrus Peat FA signings) could lead to Marcus Williams and Trey Hendrickson's departures - and some teams take advantage?

Marcus "MINNEAPOLIS MIRACLE" WILLIAMS
THREE SPOT HENDRICKSON ever heard of Albert Haynesworth?

You can't lose playing this game: Pick a player the Saints "Could've" had at the same time they picked someone else. Watch both players careers then If the "Could've" Example: NICK FOLES has success!

Bash the Front Office: OH HOW YOU BASHED THE FRONT OFFICE FOR NOT PICKING HIM UP " You still want him now?

After all THAT'S THE "RIGHT WAY" RIGHT?

gosaints1 · 02-13-2021, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Marcus "MINNEAPOLIS MIRACLE" WILLIAMS
THREE SPOT HENDRICKSON ever heard of Albert Haynesworth?

You can't lose playing this game: Pick a player the Saints "Could've" had at the same time they picked someone else. Watch both players careers then If the "Could've" Example: NICK FOLES has success!

Bash the Front Office: OH HOW YOU BASHED THE FRONT OFFICE FOR NOT PICKING HIM UP " You still want him now?

After all THAT'S THE "RIGHT WAY" RIGHT?

Agreed, Monday Morning QB’ing on whom “we could have got” is a recipe for disaster. But, I do believe it is fair to look at a player’s portfolio or body of work as a standalone evaluation. For example, in a cost benefit analysis, was the Davenport move a success, based on his body of work comparative to the cost it took to get him? I’d argue no, it wasn’t a successful move. I do agree however that going back and comparing player to player from previous draft’s is a nonsensical argument.

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02-11-2021, 07:53 PM	#2
stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,687	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... I think it worked in Tampa because so many guys were willing to take a 1 year deal to make a run with Tom Brady. Any other QB, they might have looked elsewhere. Freakin' Gronk came out of retirement for that. saintsfan1976 and gosaints1 like this.

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neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,715 Blog Entries: 13	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Here's the funny thing - the Colts, the Bucs and now the Rams who seem to be locking into this approach - playoff teams yes, but none of them won their division last year. I'd like to see us stay away from this approach and capitalize on other teams getting desperate. jeanpierre likes this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by stickman I think it worked in Tampa because so many guys were willing to take a 1 year deal to make a run with Tom Brady. Any other QB, they might have looked elsewhere. Freakin' Gronk came out of retirement for that. gosaints1 likes this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by neugey Here's the funny thing - the Colts, the Bucs and now the Rams who seem to be locking into this approach - playoff teams yes, but none of them won their division last year. I'd like to see us stay away from this approach and capitalize on other teams getting desperate. Kinda like Sean's desperation (e.g. Davenport et al draft day trades, Malcolm Jenkins & Andrus Peat FA signings) could lead to Marcus Williams and Trey Hendrickson's departures - and some teams take advantage? jnormand and SmashMouth like this.

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vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,525	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by Euphoria Here me out... So what we have seen played out in Tampa and before almost happened in Indy with Rivers... Build your team O line and Defense. Every position every asset... avoid the young QB who will in 5 or so years start commanding 20-30 million contract. One the you have all the parts minus the QB then make a play at a top 5 QB who isn't happy and is either in a contract year or wants traded. Its like they are figuring this out and before long it will be like the NBA. NOTHING "NEW" ABOUT IT. Dooms Day, Steel Curtain, Legion Of Boom, In other words "Defense Wins Championships" Mahomes was held to Zero touch downs. See: Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams,Brad Johnson, Phil Sims, Jeff Hosteller,Nick Foles last but not least Joe Flacco. Like Duane Thomas said "If it's the ULTIMATE GAME, why do they play it again next year?"
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vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,525	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by jeanpierre Kinda like Sean's desperation (e.g. Davenport et al draft day trades, Malcolm Jenkins & Andrus Peat FA signings) could lead to Marcus Williams and Trey Hendrickson's departures - and some teams take advantage? Marcus "MINNEAPOLIS MIRACLE" WILLIAMS THREE SPOT HENDRICKSON ever heard of Albert Haynesworth? You can't lose playing this game: Pick a player the Saints "Could've" had at the same time they picked someone else. Watch both players careers then If the "Could've" Example: NICK FOLES has success! Bash the Front Office: OH HOW YOU BASHED THE FRONT OFFICE FOR NOT PICKING HIM UP " You still want him now? After all THAT'S THE "RIGHT WAY" RIGHT? WW_Who_Dat and gosaints1 like this.
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