ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL...

SmashMouth · 02-13-2021, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Agreed, Monday Morning QB’ing on whom “we could have got” is a recipe for disaster. But, I do believe it is fair to look at a player’s portfolio or body of work as a standalone evaluation. For example, in a cost benefit analysis, was the Davenport move a success, based on his body of work comparative to the cost it took to get him? I’d argue no, it wasn’t a successful move. I do agree however that going back and comparing player to player from previous draft’s is a nonsensical argument.

Historically, it has not proven to be a good investment to offer multiple picks to move up, unless a franchise player comes along, like a Mahomes. We've had more.than our fair share of players whom didn't measure up to their draft picks cost. It's not the player's fault , but SP and Loomis for listening and pulling the trigger. With today's salaries , it's simply no longer worth mortgaging a team into salary cap hell. At some point you have to pay the Piper.

On the other hand, if SP knows the rulebook like BB, then in all likelihood we have another Tiffany or two... And then everything I just said carries less weight.

jeanpierre · 02-14-2021, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Agreed, Monday Morning QB’ing on whom “we could have got” is a recipe for disaster. But, I do believe it is fair to look at a player’s portfolio or body of work as a standalone evaluation. For example, in a cost benefit analysis, was the Davenport move a success, based on his body of work comparative to the cost it took to get him? I’d argue no, it wasn’t a successful move. I do agree however that going back and comparing player to player from previous draft’s is a nonsensical argument.

So continue making the same mistakes, never learning, improving?

vpheughan · 02-13-2021, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Here me out...

So what we have seen played out in Tampa and before almost happened in Indy with Rivers...

Build your team O line and Defense. Every position every asset... avoid the young QB who will in 5 or so years start commanding 20-30 million contract.

One the you have all the parts minus the QB then make a play at a top 5 QB who isn't happy and is either in a contract year or wants traded.

Its like they are figuring this out and before long it will be like the NBA.

NOTHING "NEW" ABOUT IT.
Dooms Day, Steel Curtain, Legion Of Boom,
In other words "Defense Wins Championships" Mahomes was held to Zero touch downs.

See: Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams,Brad Johnson, Phil Sims, Jeff Hosteller,Nick Foles last but not least Joe Flacco.

Like Duane Thomas said "If it's the ULTIMATE GAME, why do they play it again next year?"

saintsfan1976 · 02-14-2021, 01:05 PM

Davenport is not a bust. Stop suggesting it. You can't predict future injuries.

vpheughan · 02-14-2021, 02:44 PM

Use BOLD FONT and say it over and over and over and over and over.......

Boston Saint · 02-15-2021, 08:09 AM

No doubt this is important, but I think a major overlooked factor is the timing of injuries. I don’t think Tampa wins if KC isn’t missing 3 O linemen and I don’t think they beat the Saints if Hill, Murray, Thomas, and Harris are healthy. Tampa had a late bye and got all their pieces healthy at the right moment. Throw in the obvious favoritism the refs gave them during the playoffs and boom, 7 rings for Brady.

dizzle88 · 02-15-2021, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

No doubt this is important, but I think a major overlooked factor is the timing of injuries. I don’t think Tampa wins if KC isn’t missing 3 O linemen and I don’t think they beat the Saints if Hill, Murray, Thomas, and Harris are healthy. Tampa had a late bye and got all their pieces healthy at the right moment. Throw in the obvious favoritism the refs gave them during the playoffs and boom, 7 rings for Brady.

I agree on the injury and reffing front in terms of in the playoffs and vs KC. However, regardless of our Injury Status, I've seen this team come out flat in 4 straight playoff exits.

The playoff saints are a different team. Everything we do well during the regular season, inexplicably becomes a weakness in the playoffs and they look like they don't want to be there. No fire at all.

Rugby Saint II · 02-15-2021, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I agree on the injury and reffing front in terms of in the playoffs and vs KC. However, regardless of our Injury Status, I've seen this team come out flat in 4 straight playoff exits.

The playoff saints are a different team. Everything we do well during the regular season, inexplicably becomes a weakness in the playoffs and they look like they don't want to be there. No fire at all.

That's what I see too. They like to go through the motions because they think they are so good that they can be winners without really trying. They have bought into the hype.

AsylumGuido · 02-15-2021, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I agree on the injury and reffing front in terms of in the playoffs and vs KC. However, regardless of our Injury Status, I've seen this team come out flat in 4 straight playoff exits.

The playoff saints are a different team. Everything we do well during the regular season, inexplicably becomes a weakness in the playoffs and they look like they don't want to be there. No fire at all.

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

That's what I see too. They like to go through the motions because they think they are so good that they can be winners without really trying. They have bought into the hype.

Or we are simply unlucky as hell. One team has to lose. When we have been knocked out we haven't been blown out. It has always been a few key plays here or there. There isn't a player on any of those teams that weren't trying their asses off. A team has to lose and it was ours.

Rugby Saint II · 02-16-2021, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido;914601[B

]Or we are simply unlucky as hell.[/B] One team has to lose. When we have been knocked out we haven't been blown out. It has always been a few key plays here or there. There isn't a player on any of those teams that weren't trying their asses off. A team has to lose and it was ours.

You make you own luck my friend.

02-13-2021, 06:31 PM	#1
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,916 Blog Entries: 29	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by gosaints1 Agreed, Monday Morning QB’ing on whom “we could have got” is a recipe for disaster. But, I do believe it is fair to look at a player’s portfolio or body of work as a standalone evaluation. For example, in a cost benefit analysis, was the Davenport move a success, based on his body of work comparative to the cost it took to get him? I’d argue no, it wasn’t a successful move. I do agree however that going back and comparing player to player from previous draft’s is a nonsensical argument. Historically, it has not proven to be a good investment to offer multiple picks to move up, unless a franchise player comes along, like a Mahomes. We've had more.than our fair share of players whom didn't measure up to their draft picks cost. It's not the player's fault , but SP and Loomis for listening and pulling the trigger. With today's salaries , it's simply no longer worth mortgaging a team into salary cap hell. At some point you have to pay the Piper. On the other hand, if SP knows the rulebook like BB, then in all likelihood we have another Tiffany or two... And then everything I just said carries less weight. jeanpierre and gosaints1 like this.

02-14-2021, 08:49 PM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by gosaints1 Agreed, Monday Morning QB’ing on whom “we could have got” is a recipe for disaster. But, I do believe it is fair to look at a player’s portfolio or body of work as a standalone evaluation. For example, in a cost benefit analysis, was the Davenport move a success, based on his body of work comparative to the cost it took to get him? I’d argue no, it wasn’t a successful move. I do agree however that going back and comparing player to player from previous draft’s is a nonsensical argument. So continue making the same mistakes, never learning, improving? K Major likes this.

02-13-2021, 11:21 AM	#3
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,551	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by Euphoria Here me out... So what we have seen played out in Tampa and before almost happened in Indy with Rivers... Build your team O line and Defense. Every position every asset... avoid the young QB who will in 5 or so years start commanding 20-30 million contract. One the you have all the parts minus the QB then make a play at a top 5 QB who isn't happy and is either in a contract year or wants traded. Its like they are figuring this out and before long it will be like the NBA. NOTHING "NEW" ABOUT IT. Dooms Day, Steel Curtain, Legion Of Boom, In other words "Defense Wins Championships" Mahomes was held to Zero touch downs. See: Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams,Brad Johnson, Phil Sims, Jeff Hosteller,Nick Foles last but not least Joe Flacco. Like Duane Thomas said "If it's the ULTIMATE GAME, why do they play it again next year?"
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02-14-2021, 01:05 PM	#4
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02-14-2021, 02:44 PM	#5
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02-15-2021, 08:09 AM	#6
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... No doubt this is important, but I think a major overlooked factor is the timing of injuries. I don’t think Tampa wins if KC isn’t missing 3 O linemen and I don’t think they beat the Saints if Hill, Murray, Thomas, and Harris are healthy. Tampa had a late bye and got all their pieces healthy at the right moment. Throw in the obvious favoritism the refs gave them during the playoffs and boom, 7 rings for Brady. neugey, saintsfan1976, AsylumGuido and 2 others like this.

02-15-2021, 11:04 AM	#7
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,539	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by Boston Saint No doubt this is important, but I think a major overlooked factor is the timing of injuries. I don’t think Tampa wins if KC isn’t missing 3 O linemen and I don’t think they beat the Saints if Hill, Murray, Thomas, and Harris are healthy. Tampa had a late bye and got all their pieces healthy at the right moment. Throw in the obvious favoritism the refs gave them during the playoffs and boom, 7 rings for Brady. I agree on the injury and reffing front in terms of in the playoffs and vs KC. However, regardless of our Injury Status, I've seen this team come out flat in 4 straight playoff exits. The playoff saints are a different team. Everything we do well during the regular season, inexplicably becomes a weakness in the playoffs and they look like they don't want to be there. No fire at all. jnormand and Rugby Saint II like this.

02-15-2021, 11:45 AM	#8
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,167	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by dizzle88 I agree on the injury and reffing front in terms of in the playoffs and vs KC. However, regardless of our Injury Status, I've seen this team come out flat in 4 straight playoff exits. The playoff saints are a different team. Everything we do well during the regular season, inexplicably becomes a weakness in the playoffs and they look like they don't want to be there. No fire at all. That's what I see too. They like to go through the motions because they think they are so good that they can be winners without really trying. They have bought into the hype. jnormand, dizzle88 and gosaints1 like this.

02-15-2021, 05:54 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,672	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by dizzle88 I agree on the injury and reffing front in terms of in the playoffs and vs KC. However, regardless of our Injury Status, I've seen this team come out flat in 4 straight playoff exits. The playoff saints are a different team. Everything we do well during the regular season, inexplicably becomes a weakness in the playoffs and they look like they don't want to be there. No fire at all. Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II That's what I see too. They like to go through the motions because they think they are so good that they can be winners without really trying. They have bought into the hype. Or we are simply unlucky as hell. One team has to lose. When we have been knocked out we haven't been blown out. It has always been a few key plays here or there. There isn't a player on any of those teams that weren't trying their asses off. A team has to lose and it was ours. Boston Saint likes this.

02-16-2021, 12:38 PM	#10
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,167	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by AsylumGuido;914601[B ]Or we are simply unlucky as hell.[/B] One team has to lose. When we have been knocked out we haven't been blown out. It has always been a few key plays here or there. There isn't a player on any of those teams that weren't trying their asses off. A team has to lose and it was ours. You make you own luck my friend. jnormand and jeanpierre like this.