Brees coming back?

AsylumGuido · 02-22-2021, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Indeed. Brady didn’t carry Tampa to the title, the overall team did. Conversely, Mahomes, Rodgers, Brees, and 28 other starting QBs couldn’t carry their team to the championship. Sometimes the QB wasn’t good enough but sometimes (for playoff teams especially) it was because of injuries to themselves and/or key teammates.

I fully believe if Brees comes back next season, he will be better than Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Joe Flaco, Nick Foles or a handful of other QBs that have won the SB. Just my opinion.

I couldn't agree more. I feel the exact same way.

gulfgambler · 02-22-2021, 12:59 PM

Any other position (except kicker/punter) on the field and he would be done and possibly would have a year or two ago. This has become a QB starved league. Even hurt he's still top 10 and healthy top 5.

Rugby Saint II · 02-22-2021, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by gulfgambler

Any other position (except kicker/punter) on the field and he would be done and possibly would have a year or two ago. This has become a QB starved league. Even hurt he's still top 10 and healthy top 5.

That is absolutely true....within 20-30 yards. After that not so much. Don't get me wrong I love Drew but this is really a young mans game.

AsylumGuido · 02-22-2021, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

That is absolutely true....within 20-30 yards. After that not so much. Don't get me wrong I love Drew but this is really a young mans game.

Exactly how old is this year's Super Bowl winning QB? Since 2001 the winning QB's have been Tom Brady, Brad Johnson, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Nick Foles, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, and Tom Brady. Out of all of those only Mahomes and possibly Wilson could be considered young when they won it all.

Rugby Saint II · 02-22-2021, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Exactly how old is this year's Super Bowl winning QB? Since 2001 the winning QB's have been Tom Brady, Brad Johnson, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Nick Foles, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, and Tom Brady. Out of all of those only Mahomes and possibly Wilson could be considered young when they won it all.

Generally speaking it's a young mans game. Rugby players play into their fifties very often. I retired at 59. I was a little past my prime and I admit it. O-linemen can play later in life at a top level like QB's. We all know RB's have a short shelf life. WR's are losing their advantage generally by 30.

Once you lose that quick twitch in the NFL you are done playing at a high level at most positions in the NFL. Not necessarily just QB's. This is why I say football is a young mans game.

Edit: None of those players went through likely career ending surgery early in their career.

gosaints1 · 02-22-2021, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Exactly how old is this year's Super Bowl winning QB? Since 2001 the winning QB's have been Tom Brady, Brad Johnson, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Nick Foles, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, and Tom Brady. Out of all of those only Mahomes and possibly Wilson could be considered young when they won it all.

lol, This logic, oh man...

Ok, in:

2001 TB was 24 (born in Aug/77) when he played his first SB, lol. They weren’t ALWAYS over 40. My guess is that Tom Brady skews your sample set wrt years upwards, as he has aged, bc of the sheer number of SB’s he’s played in..., and won. Heck ⅓ of the seasons he has won a SB during the years you provided.

In 2002, how old was Brad Johnson (born in 68)? 34, lol. So yes, at 34 he was an older player.

In 2003, TB was only 2 years older at 26.

In 2004, TB was only 3 years older at 27.

I can go on and evaluate each one, at the time they played their SB’s, but you see the logic. Brad Johnson at 52 right now..., wasn’t 52 when he played in his SB. Tom Brady at 43 now..., wasn’t 43 when he played his first SB either. Rothlesberger was 23 during his first, same as Mahomes, with Brady just months behind them as who was the youngest to win it all.

Throughout all of the SB era the age of winning SB QB’s breaks down like this:

25 and under - (6)
26-30 - (24)
31-35 - (16)
36 - (9) including this year's SB.

Of those nine over 36, they are:

John Elway (twice)
Johnny Unitas
Jim Plunkett
Peyton Manning (Broncos)
&
Tom Brady (four times with two different teams)

The sweet spot is roughly 31 years old, if you average them all up. For reference - Drew Brees, born in 79, had just turned 31 when the Saints won their SB Feb 2010.

TheOak · 02-22-2021, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Exactly how old is this year's Super Bowl winning QB? Since 2001 the winning QB's have been Tom Brady, Brad Johnson, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Nick Foles, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, and Tom Brady. Out of all of those only Mahomes and possibly Wilson could be considered young when they won it all.

Didn’t think that one through did ya?

Ben Roethlisberger was 23 lol....
Aaron Rodgers - 27
Eli Manning - 27

lee909 · 02-22-2021, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Didn’t think that one through did ya?

Ben Roethlisberger was 23 lol....
Aaron Rodgers - 27
Eli Manning - 27

Just about all of the barring Brady and Manning second when he was given probably the most tools of any QB in history where still in their Primes of late 20s to very early 30s

AsylumGuido · 02-23-2021, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Didn’t think that one through did ya?

Ben Roethlisberger was 23 lol....
Aaron Rodgers - 27
Eli Manning - 27

And all three are Hall of Fame worthy, right? They kept winning. Simply being young isn't the key to being a success as a QB as implied. They all had long successful careers because they were quality QB's. Playing QB isn't a young man's game these days. Being a quality QB is the key to winning.

The list I shared is made up entirely of either future HOF QB's or veterans. And most all of them had a top notch defense, as well.

The Dude · 02-22-2021, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Exactly how old is this year's Super Bowl winning QB? Since 2001 the winning QB's have been Tom Brady, Brad Johnson, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Nick Foles, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, and Tom Brady. Out of all of those only Mahomes and possibly Wilson could be considered young when they won it all.

Wow. Just wow. I’m speechless.

02-22-2021, 12:53 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Brees coming back? Originally Posted by Boston Saint Indeed. Brady didn’t carry Tampa to the title, the overall team did. Conversely, Mahomes, Rodgers, Brees, and 28 other starting QBs couldn’t carry their team to the championship. Sometimes the QB wasn’t good enough but sometimes (for playoff teams especially) it was because of injuries to themselves and/or key teammates. I fully believe if Brees comes back next season, he will be better than Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Joe Flaco, Nick Foles or a handful of other QBs that have won the SB. Just my opinion. I couldn't agree more. I feel the exact same way.

02-22-2021, 12:59 PM	#2
gulfgambler Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Tomball Posts: 1,097	Re: Brees coming back? Any other position (except kicker/punter) on the field and he would be done and possibly would have a year or two ago. This has become a QB starved league. Even hurt he's still top 10 and healthy top 5. Boston Saint likes this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,153	Re: Brees coming back? Originally Posted by gulfgambler Any other position (except kicker/punter) on the field and he would be done and possibly would have a year or two ago. This has become a QB starved league. Even hurt he's still top 10 and healthy top 5. That is absolutely true....within 20-30 yards. After that not so much. Don't get me wrong I love Drew but this is really a young mans game.

02-22-2021, 03:00 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Brees coming back? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II That is absolutely true....within 20-30 yards. After that not so much. Don't get me wrong I love Drew but this is really a young mans game. Exactly how old is this year's Super Bowl winning QB? Since 2001 the winning QB's have been Tom Brady, Brad Johnson, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Nick Foles, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, and Tom Brady. Out of all of those only Mahomes and possibly Wilson could be considered young when they won it all.

02-22-2021, 03:50 PM	#5
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,153	Re: Brees coming back? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Exactly how old is this year's Super Bowl winning QB? Since 2001 the winning QB's have been Tom Brady, Brad Johnson, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Nick Foles, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, and Tom Brady. Out of all of those only Mahomes and possibly Wilson could be considered young when they won it all. Generally speaking it's a young mans game. Rugby players play into their fifties very often. I retired at 59. I was a little past my prime and I admit it. O-linemen can play later in life at a top level like QB's. We all know RB's have a short shelf life. WR's are losing their advantage generally by 30. Once you lose that quick twitch in the NFL you are done playing at a high level at most positions in the NFL. Not necessarily just QB's. This is why I say football is a young mans game. Edit: None of those players went through likely career ending surgery early in their career.
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02-22-2021, 03:54 PM	#6
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Brees coming back? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Exactly how old is this year's Super Bowl winning QB? Since 2001 the winning QB's have been Tom Brady, Brad Johnson, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Nick Foles, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, and Tom Brady. Out of all of those only Mahomes and possibly Wilson could be considered young when they won it all. lol, This logic, oh man... Ok, in: 2001 TB was 24 (born in Aug/77) when he played his first SB, lol. They weren’t ALWAYS over 40. My guess is that Tom Brady skews your sample set wrt years upwards, as he has aged, bc of the sheer number of SB’s he’s played in..., and won. Heck ⅓ of the seasons he has won a SB during the years you provided. In 2002, how old was Brad Johnson (born in 68)? 34, lol. So yes, at 34 he was an older player. In 2003, TB was only 2 years older at 26. In 2004, TB was only 3 years older at 27. I can go on and evaluate each one, at the time they played their SB’s, but you see the logic. Brad Johnson at 52 right now..., wasn’t 52 when he played in his SB. Tom Brady at 43 now..., wasn’t 43 when he played his first SB either. Rothlesberger was 23 during his first, same as Mahomes, with Brady just months behind them as who was the youngest to win it all. Throughout all of the SB era the age of winning SB QB’s breaks down like this: 25 and under - (6) 26-30 - (24) 31-35 - (16) 36 - (9) including this year's SB. Of those nine over 36, they are: John Elway (twice) Johnny Unitas Jim Plunkett Peyton Manning (Broncos) & Tom Brady (four times with two different teams) The sweet spot is roughly 31 years old, if you average them all up. For reference - Drew Brees, born in 79, had just turned 31 when the Saints won their SB Feb 2010.
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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Brees coming back? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Exactly how old is this year's Super Bowl winning QB? Since 2001 the winning QB's have been Tom Brady, Brad Johnson, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Nick Foles, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, and Tom Brady. Out of all of those only Mahomes and possibly Wilson could be considered young when they won it all. Didn’t think that one through did ya? Ben Roethlisberger was 23 lol.... Aaron Rodgers - 27 Eli Manning - 27 gosaints1 likes this.

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lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Brees coming back? Originally Posted by TheOak Didn’t think that one through did ya? Ben Roethlisberger was 23 lol.... Aaron Rodgers - 27 Eli Manning - 27 Just about all of the barring Brady and Manning second when he was given probably the most tools of any QB in history where still in their Primes of late 20s to very early 30s gosaints1 likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Brees coming back? Originally Posted by TheOak Didn’t think that one through did ya? Ben Roethlisberger was 23 lol.... Aaron Rodgers - 27 Eli Manning - 27 And all three are Hall of Fame worthy, right? They kept winning. Simply being young isn't the key to being a success as a QB as implied. They all had long successful careers because they were quality QB's. Playing QB isn't a young man's game these days. Being a quality QB is the key to winning. The list I shared is made up entirely of either future HOF QB's or veterans. And most all of them had a top notch defense, as well.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Brees coming back? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Exactly how old is this year's Super Bowl winning QB? Since 2001 the winning QB's have been Tom Brady, Brad Johnson, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Nick Foles, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, and Tom Brady. Out of all of those only Mahomes and possibly Wilson could be considered young when they won it all. Wow. Just wow. I’m speechless.
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