2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook

K Major · 07-11-2021, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Nope. He runs like an old man. If he was all that, he'd shown a helluva lot more at this point...

But would it be safe to say he's performed equally or better than most of the WR's taken before him in his 2018 draft class? Dante Pettis, Courtland Sutton, James Washington < --- all high second rounders aren't exactly setting the world on fire either.

With the exception of Michael Gallup, 3quan has performed well for what he's been asked to do in this style of offense.

I wouldn't write him off just yet brother

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halloween 65 · 07-10-2021, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Updated Team Needs Priorities:

WRz

WLB

LG

CB2

SS/CBs (Gardner stays in the slot or moves to natural position of SS; Malcolm needs to go, can't cover, liability as a small LBer)

Totally agree about Jenkins. Really wish we kept Bell.

K Major · 07-11-2021, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Totally agree about Jenkins. Really wish we kept Bell.

Go back and listen to some of Dennis Allen press conferences. He went on record saying it took almost a month on figuring out how to use MJ effectively.

Stats don't tell the entire story on players, however according to PFR (pro football reference) Jenkins was statistically better than Bell in almost every category for 2020.

I'm not in those film study meetings, however one would believe the coaches may have felt VB was "limited" (INT's, TFL, QB hits etc) in his ability at the SS position. If you go back and look at his over all body of work, there was repetitive communication issues & rarely able to make an interception to change momentum. Not all on him however adding a veteran prescence helped the defense last season.

Not knocking the contributions Vonn made here, however Malcolm was a needed improvement in 2020.

halloween 65 · 07-12-2021, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Go back and listen to some of Dennis Allen press conferences. He went on record saying it took almost a month on figuring out how to use MJ effectively.

Stats don't tell the entire story on players, however according to PFR (pro football reference) Jenkins was statistically better than Bell in almost every category for 2020.

I'm not in those film study meetings, however one would believe the coaches may have felt VB was "limited" (INT's, TFL, QB hits etc) in his ability at the SS position. If you go back and look at his over all body of work, there was repetitive communication issues & rarely able to make an interception to change momentum. Not all on him however adding a veteran prescence helped the defense last season.

Not knocking the contributions Vonn made here, however Malcolm was a needed improvement in 2020.

Allen seems to try to mold the secondary to make Jenkins not look like bringing him back wasn't a mistake, it was and is a mistake. Jenkins really is the same old Jenkins while he was here the first time just older and slower. SS is a big concern in the backfield last season and this season.

jeanpierre · 07-12-2021, 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Allen seems to try to mold the secondary to make Jenkins not look like bringing him back wasn't a mistake, it was and is a mistake. Jenkins really is the same old Jenkins while he was here the first time just older and slower. SS is a big concern in the backfield last season and this season.

And that sad thing is that the best SS on the team is playing NB...

Gardner could easily be our best SS since Sammy Knight...

AsylumGuido · 07-12-2021, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Updated Team Needs Priorities:

WRz

WLB

LG

CB2

SS/CBs (Gardner stays in the slot or moves to natural position of SS; Malcolm needs to go, can't cover, liability as a small LBer)

Do not underestimate the value of a veteran in the clubhouse. Jenkins is a solid safety on the field and a team leader off.

iceshack149 · 07-12-2021, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Do not underestimate the value of a veteran in the clubhouse. Jenkins is a solid safety on the field and a team leader off.

jeanpierre · 07-12-2021, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Do not underestimate the value of a veteran in the clubhouse. Jenkins is a solid safety on the field and a team leader off.

Yeah, that was some invaluable leadership he showed after that number he pulled on Drew Brees on social media last year...

halloween 65 · 07-12-2021, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Yeah, that was some invaluable leadership he showed after that number he pulled on Drew Brees on social media last year...

You beat me too it.

AsylumGuido · 07-13-2021, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Yeah, that was some invaluable leadership he showed after that number he pulled on Drew Brees on social media last year...

Yet he and Brees remain friends and Jenkins remains a leader on and off the field. They are both more mature than many members around here.

07-11-2021, 09:14 AM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Nope. He runs like an old man. If he was all that, he'd shown a helluva lot more at this point... But would it be safe to say he's performed equally or better than most of the WR's taken before him in his 2018 draft class? Dante Pettis, Courtland Sutton, James Washington < --- all high second rounders aren't exactly setting the world on fire either. With the exception of Michael Gallup, 3quan has performed well for what he's been asked to do in this style of offense. I wouldn't write him off just yet brother .

07-10-2021, 06:52 PM	#2
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Updated Team Needs Priorities: WRz WLB LG CB2 SS/CBs (Gardner stays in the slot or moves to natural position of SS; Malcolm needs to go, can't cover, liability as a small LBer) Totally agree about Jenkins. Really wish we kept Bell.

07-11-2021, 09:33 AM	#3
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by halloween 65 Totally agree about Jenkins. Really wish we kept Bell. Go back and listen to some of Dennis Allen press conferences. He went on record saying it took almost a month on figuring out how to use MJ effectively. Stats don't tell the entire story on players, however according to PFR (pro football reference) Jenkins was statistically better than Bell in almost every category for 2020. I'm not in those film study meetings, however one would believe the coaches may have felt VB was "limited" (INT's, TFL, QB hits etc) in his ability at the SS position. If you go back and look at his over all body of work, there was repetitive communication issues & rarely able to make an interception to change momentum. Not all on him however adding a veteran prescence helped the defense last season. Not knocking the contributions Vonn made here, however Malcolm was a needed improvement in 2020.

07-12-2021, 05:37 PM	#4
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major Go back and listen to some of Dennis Allen press conferences. He went on record saying it took almost a month on figuring out how to use MJ effectively. Stats don't tell the entire story on players, however according to PFR (pro football reference) Jenkins was statistically better than Bell in almost every category for 2020. I'm not in those film study meetings, however one would believe the coaches may have felt VB was "limited" (INT's, TFL, QB hits etc) in his ability at the SS position. If you go back and look at his over all body of work, there was repetitive communication issues & rarely able to make an interception to change momentum. Not all on him however adding a veteran prescence helped the defense last season. Not knocking the contributions Vonn made here, however Malcolm was a needed improvement in 2020. Allen seems to try to mold the secondary to make Jenkins not look like bringing him back wasn't a mistake, it was and is a mistake. Jenkins really is the same old Jenkins while he was here the first time just older and slower. SS is a big concern in the backfield last season and this season.

07-12-2021, 11:39 PM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by halloween 65 Allen seems to try to mold the secondary to make Jenkins not look like bringing him back wasn't a mistake, it was and is a mistake. Jenkins really is the same old Jenkins while he was here the first time just older and slower. SS is a big concern in the backfield last season and this season. And that sad thing is that the best SS on the team is playing NB... Gardner could easily be our best SS since Sammy Knight...

07-12-2021, 03:00 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Updated Team Needs Priorities: WRz WLB LG CB2 SS/CBs (Gardner stays in the slot or moves to natural position of SS; Malcolm needs to go, can't cover, liability as a small LBer) Do not underestimate the value of a veteran in the clubhouse. Jenkins is a solid safety on the field and a team leader off.

07-12-2021, 03:05 PM	#7
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,406 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Do not underestimate the value of a veteran in the clubhouse. Jenkins is a solid safety on the field and a team leader off.
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07-12-2021, 03:31 PM	#8
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Do not underestimate the value of a veteran in the clubhouse. Jenkins is a solid safety on the field and a team leader off. Yeah, that was some invaluable leadership he showed after that number he pulled on Drew Brees on social media last year...

07-12-2021, 05:30 PM	#9
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Yeah, that was some invaluable leadership he showed after that number he pulled on Drew Brees on social media last year... You beat me too it.

07-13-2021, 10:38 AM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Yeah, that was some invaluable leadership he showed after that number he pulled on Drew Brees on social media last year... Yet he and Brees remain friends and Jenkins remains a leader on and off the field. They are both more mature than many members around here.

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