Rankins to J E T S !

TheOak · 03-22-2021, 06:31 AM

Leaving us 1.4M over and that's not counting Drew retirement hit and we have no practice squad or draft picks signed.

saintsfan1976 · 03-22-2021, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Leaving us 1.4M over and that's not counting Drew retirement hit and we have no practice squad or draft picks signed.

Marcus Williams, Lattimore, Ram. Some or all should get us under, with room.

TheOak · 03-22-2021, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Marcus Williams, Lattimore, Ram. Some or all should get us under, with room.

Very aware of that, as well as that any of those cuts has a direct impact on our game and starting line up.

Would elevate PJ Williams, Patrick Robinson, or Hurst/Griffin to starters. The last cuts are generally the most painful. Keep in mind that is also the 51 number not the all in number.

All in we have to shed:
-6.3M To get under cap
-4M 6 Draft picks at league minimum
- 2M(est) Practice squad

Still have -14M to go to start the season 1M-2M in the black.

Word is the cap could climb to/past 200M, we desperately need the extra 15M in space that would provide.

AsylumGuido · 03-22-2021, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Very aware of that, as well as that any of those cuts has a direct impact on our game and starting line up.

Would elevate PJ Williams, Patrick Robinson, or Hurst/Griffin to starters. The last cuts are generally the most painful. Keep in mind that is also the 51 number not the all in number.

All in we have to shed:
-6.3M To get under cap
-4M 6 Draft picks at league minimum
- 2M(est) Practice squad

Still have -14M to go to start the season 1M-2M in the black.

Word is the cap could climb to/past 200M, we desperately need the extra 15M in space that would provide.

I think saintsfan1976 meant getting the extra cap relief from restructuring/extending those players, not cutting them.

gosaints1 · 03-22-2021, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Very aware of that, as well as that any of those cuts has a direct impact on our game and starting line up.

Would elevate PJ Williams, Patrick Robinson, or Hurst/Griffin to starters. The last cuts are generally the most painful. Keep in mind that is also the 51 number not the all in number.

All in we have to shed:
-6.3M To get under cap
-4M 6 Draft picks at league minimum
- 2M(est) Practice squad

Still have -14M to go to start the season 1M-2M in the black.

Word is the cap could climb to/past 200M, we desperately need the extra 15M in space that would provide.

Won’t there be two more “offsets” to the salary cap, similar to this year; one in 2022, and also 2023, both roughly the same, a negative $15.7M, difference between $198.2M and $182.5M? My understanding was the league didn’t want a huge salary cap reduction this year, anticipated to be down in the $150M neighborhood, so the NFL with the owner’s and player’s blessings, agreed to spread that huge cap reduction out over the next three years.

Daniel Kaplan, sports business writer:

“The salary cap, absent the NFL’s and NFLPA’s agreement to borrow from future years, would have been in the $150 million to $160 million range given the pandemic losses. But knowing the new TV deals will roughly double media income, the sport is comfortable dipping into that future largess to soften the 2021 cap decline. Future caps will rise significantly but will have to take into account this season’s borrowing of future revenue.”

https://theathletic.com/news/nfl-set...s/0WCzkKHuwVmQ

I’m not as concerned as others may be, with getting under and signing the roster, a very good roster I think also, as much as I am about the upcoming draft. Looks like our lateral freedom to sign any veterans to fill needs are going to be limited. Not only this upcoming season, but possibly the next two as well. Drafting well is always important, but now it feels almost critical. Add in dead money, which is creeping up there and will increase significantly post 6/1, stating the draft is critical is a huge understatement.

AsylumGuido · 03-22-2021, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Won’t there be two more “offsets” to the salary cap, similar to this year; one in 2022, and also 2023, both roughly the same, a negative $15.7M, difference between $198.2M and $182.5M? My understanding was the league didn’t want a huge salary cap reduction this year, anticipated to be down in the $150M neighborhood, so the NFL with the owner’s and player’s blessings, agreed to spread that huge cap reduction out over the next three years.

Daniel Kaplan, sports business writer:

“The salary cap, absent the NFL’s and NFLPA’s agreement to borrow from future years, would have been in the $150 million to $160 million range given the pandemic losses. But knowing the new TV deals will roughly double media income, the sport is comfortable dipping into that future largess to soften the 2021 cap decline. Future caps will rise significantly but will have to take into account this season’s borrowing of future revenue.”

https://theathletic.com/news/nfl-set...s/0WCzkKHuwVmQ

I’m not as concerned as others may be, with getting under and signing the roster, a very good roster I think also, as much as I am about the upcoming draft. Looks like our lateral freedom to sign any veterans to fill needs are going to be limited. Not only this upcoming season, but possibly the next two as well. Drafting well is always important, but now it feels almost critical. Add in dead money, which is creeping up there and will increase significantly post 6/1, stating the draft is critical is a huge understatement.

The newly announced broadcast deals will roughly double the revenues of the previous deals. Even with future adjustments I am still hearing cap numbers around $220-$225 million for 2022, and soon up to the $250 million range. With the CBA driven sharing of revenues, the cap will jump up over $300 million in short order. From what I heard today on NFL Radio from the NFL's lead counsel in the negotiations, Janet Nova, the new 11 year deals also allow for the league to renegotiate those revenues upwards during the contract span. That part is unilateral. The broadcast companies do not have the same freedom to negotiate down.

SmashMouth · 03-22-2021, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Leaving us 1.4M over and that's not counting Drew retirement hit and we have no practice squad or draft picks signed.

Wasn't he a FA? Then his departure shouldn't have affected the cap, unless he resigned with us?

It might, however, get us yet another compensatory pick.

K Major · 03-22-2021, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Wasn't he a FA? Then his departure shouldn't have affected the cap, unless he resigned with us?

It might, however, get us yet another compensatory pick.

Per OTC, we'll receive a 5th rd comp for Sheldon.

Rugby Saint II · 03-22-2021, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Per OTC, we'll receive a 5th rd comp for Sheldon.

Only a fifth? He was a high draft pick that played well when healthy. I thought that he would be worth another 3rd round comp pick. But apparently he isn't as valuable as I thought. I see all late picks as trade ammunition on draft day.

AsylumGuido · 03-22-2021, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Only a fifth? He was a high draft pick that played well when healthy. I thought that he would be worth another 3rd round comp pick. But apparently he isn't as valuable as I thought. I see all late picks as trade ammunition on draft day.

Here's how the pick is determined:

Methodology

App. V, §2 lays out the process of calculating the value of CFAs. §2(a) begins the calculation as follows to all players in the league:

Start with the Average Per Year (APY) of the contract signed.

Subtract from the APY any money that the compensatory formula does not count.

Rank these players by adjusted APY in descending order, and assign points to each player, equal to [number of leaguewide players]-[rank].

Add anywhere from 25 to 100 points for players who played a percentage of snaps on offense or defense in the range of 25% to 100%. (Kickers and punters are given a different point addition unrelated to snap counts.)

Add 20 or 5 points for postseason honors as determined by the AP’s All Pro list, and the PFWA’s All NFL/All Conference list.

3 Prior to the 2020 CBA, it had been determined that workout bonuses, incentives, and salary escalators were common devices that the compensatory formula does not count. However, App. V, §2(a) of the 2020 CBA makes clear that these devices will now count if they are considered Likely To Be Earned, or are earned in the player’s first season of his new contract.

Qualifying CFAs And Assigning Them To A Round

Once the Final Numerical Value (FNV) as described above has been tallied, each UFA is given a value that either assigns him as a CFA to a particular round, ranging from the 3rd to the 7th, or does not qualify him as a CFA at all. App. V, §3(b) sets these round cutoffs in a percentile manner, as follows:

Round	Highest Percentile	Lowest Percentile
3rd	100th	95th (top 5%)
4th	below 95th (top 10%)	90th (top 10%)
5th	below 90th (top 10%)	85th (top 15%)
6th	below 85th (top 15%)	75th (top 25%)
7th	below 75th (top 25%)	65th (top 35%)4
Non-CFA	below 65th (top 35%)4	lowest ranked player

03-22-2021, 06:31 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Rankins to J E T S ! Leaving us 1.4M over and that's not counting Drew retirement hit and we have no practice squad or draft picks signed.

03-22-2021, 07:45 AM	#2
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Rankins to J E T S ! Originally Posted by TheOak Leaving us 1.4M over and that's not counting Drew retirement hit and we have no practice squad or draft picks signed. Marcus Williams, Lattimore, Ram. Some or all should get us under, with room. jeanpierre likes this.

03-22-2021, 08:33 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Rankins to J E T S ! Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Marcus Williams, Lattimore, Ram. Some or all should get us under, with room. Very aware of that, as well as that any of those cuts has a direct impact on our game and starting line up. Would elevate PJ Williams, Patrick Robinson, or Hurst/Griffin to starters. The last cuts are generally the most painful. Keep in mind that is also the 51 number not the all in number. All in we have to shed: -6.3M To get under cap -4M 6 Draft picks at league minimum - 2M(est) Practice squad Still have -14M to go to start the season 1M-2M in the black. Word is the cap could climb to/past 200M, we desperately need the extra 15M in space that would provide. saintsfan1976, SmashMouth and gosaints1 like this.
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03-22-2021, 09:30 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,489	Re: Rankins to J E T S ! Originally Posted by TheOak Very aware of that, as well as that any of those cuts has a direct impact on our game and starting line up. Would elevate PJ Williams, Patrick Robinson, or Hurst/Griffin to starters. The last cuts are generally the most painful. Keep in mind that is also the 51 number not the all in number. All in we have to shed: -6.3M To get under cap -4M 6 Draft picks at league minimum - 2M(est) Practice squad Still have -14M to go to start the season 1M-2M in the black. Word is the cap could climb to/past 200M, we desperately need the extra 15M in space that would provide. I think saintsfan1976 meant getting the extra cap relief from restructuring/extending those players, not cutting them. saintsfan1976 likes this.

03-22-2021, 09:59 AM	#5
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Rankins to J E T S ! Originally Posted by TheOak Very aware of that, as well as that any of those cuts has a direct impact on our game and starting line up. Would elevate PJ Williams, Patrick Robinson, or Hurst/Griffin to starters. The last cuts are generally the most painful. Keep in mind that is also the 51 number not the all in number. All in we have to shed: -6.3M To get under cap -4M 6 Draft picks at league minimum - 2M(est) Practice squad Still have -14M to go to start the season 1M-2M in the black. Word is the cap could climb to/past 200M, we desperately need the extra 15M in space that would provide. Won’t there be two more “offsets” to the salary cap, similar to this year; one in 2022, and also 2023, both roughly the same, a negative $15.7M, difference between $198.2M and $182.5M? My understanding was the league didn’t want a huge salary cap reduction this year, anticipated to be down in the $150M neighborhood, so the NFL with the owner’s and player’s blessings, agreed to spread that huge cap reduction out over the next three years. Daniel Kaplan, sports business writer: “The salary cap, absent the NFL’s and NFLPA’s agreement to borrow from future years, would have been in the $150 million to $160 million range given the pandemic losses. But knowing the new TV deals will roughly double media income, the sport is comfortable dipping into that future largess to soften the 2021 cap decline. Future caps will rise significantly but will have to take into account this season’s borrowing of future revenue.” https://theathletic.com/news/nfl-set...s/0WCzkKHuwVmQ I’m not as concerned as others may be, with getting under and signing the roster, a very good roster I think also, as much as I am about the upcoming draft. Looks like our lateral freedom to sign any veterans to fill needs are going to be limited. Not only this upcoming season, but possibly the next two as well. Drafting well is always important, but now it feels almost critical. Add in dead money, which is creeping up there and will increase significantly post 6/1, stating the draft is critical is a huge understatement. SmashMouth likes this.
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03-22-2021, 10:45 AM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,489	Re: Rankins to J E T S ! Originally Posted by gosaints1 Won’t there be two more “offsets” to the salary cap, similar to this year; one in 2022, and also 2023, both roughly the same, a negative $15.7M, difference between $198.2M and $182.5M? My understanding was the league didn’t want a huge salary cap reduction this year, anticipated to be down in the $150M neighborhood, so the NFL with the owner’s and player’s blessings, agreed to spread that huge cap reduction out over the next three years. Daniel Kaplan, sports business writer: “The salary cap, absent the NFL’s and NFLPA’s agreement to borrow from future years, would have been in the $150 million to $160 million range given the pandemic losses. But knowing the new TV deals will roughly double media income, the sport is comfortable dipping into that future largess to soften the 2021 cap decline. Future caps will rise significantly but will have to take into account this season’s borrowing of future revenue.” https://theathletic.com/news/nfl-set...s/0WCzkKHuwVmQ I’m not as concerned as others may be, with getting under and signing the roster, a very good roster I think also, as much as I am about the upcoming draft. Looks like our lateral freedom to sign any veterans to fill needs are going to be limited. Not only this upcoming season, but possibly the next two as well. Drafting well is always important, but now it feels almost critical. Add in dead money, which is creeping up there and will increase significantly post 6/1, stating the draft is critical is a huge understatement. The newly announced broadcast deals will roughly double the revenues of the previous deals. Even with future adjustments I am still hearing cap numbers around $220-$225 million for 2022, and soon up to the $250 million range. With the CBA driven sharing of revenues, the cap will jump up over $300 million in short order. From what I heard today on NFL Radio from the NFL's lead counsel in the negotiations, Janet Nova, the new 11 year deals also allow for the league to renegotiate those revenues upwards during the contract span. That part is unilateral. The broadcast companies do not have the same freedom to negotiate down.
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03-22-2021, 08:24 AM	#7
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,479 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Rankins to J E T S ! Originally Posted by TheOak Leaving us 1.4M over and that's not counting Drew retirement hit and we have no practice squad or draft picks signed. Wasn't he a FA? Then his departure shouldn't have affected the cap, unless he resigned with us? It might, however, get us yet another compensatory pick. Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.

03-22-2021, 08:29 AM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,739 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Rankins to J E T S ! Originally Posted by SmashMouth Wasn't he a FA? Then his departure shouldn't have affected the cap, unless he resigned with us? It might, however, get us yet another compensatory pick. Per OTC, we'll receive a 5th rd comp for Sheldon. SmashMouth, jeanpierre and Rugby Saint II like this.

03-22-2021, 02:04 PM	#9
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,119	Re: Rankins to J E T S ! Originally Posted by K Major Per OTC, we'll receive a 5th rd comp for Sheldon. Only a fifth? He was a high draft pick that played well when healthy. I thought that he would be worth another 3rd round comp pick. But apparently he isn't as valuable as I thought. I see all late picks as trade ammunition on draft day.