Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total

AsylumGuido · 04-06-2021, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

And the next season Tom Brady won the super bowl with TB

... after they abandoned Arians' offense and went with Brady's. Not to mention the fact that Brady may be the best QB to ever play the game. I'm no fan of Winston's either, but to say he's trash is simply incorrect. He could easily start for half the teams in the league.

Boston Saint · 04-06-2021, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

And the next season Tom Brady won the super bowl with TB

This has nothing to do with the Favre Comparison question I put to you which you avoided. But, if you want to point out that Brady (by most measures the greatest QB ever) won a SB with a Tampa team that had improved WRs, RBs, OL and D as evidence that Winston is a “trash” QB, I will again call that an ignorant statement. Would you care to answer my question about why Winston’s terrible 30 Int season with a net +4 TDS was so much worse than Favres 29 with a -9? Or Elway’s -7? Or any of the other SB winning QBs I pointed out in previous threads that clearly had worse seasons (Brees first two years vs Winston’s for example) than ANY season Winston has had? No, you don’t. You are just going to pull out the “He Sucks” narrative and hope you are right.

jnormand · 04-06-2021, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I think some are simply not a fan of the "person" and not the player regardless of what they see or don't see on Sundays.

But I agree, Jameis has serious ability and I'm glad Sean Payton and his staff thought enough of him to give him another chance at becoming a good NFL QB.

K...seriously. Wth has Winston "shown" you on Sundays? Seriously the guy was a clown at TB and was a backup here for 1 year. Why is everyone hating on people that aren't sold on him yet?

They have every right to not be sold on him yet. Regardless if its because of his interceptions, his intelligence, his past, him being a QB and his previous team being a rival or his overall dorkiness. Hell he could've flipped them the bird when he was 8 years old.

Good hell, if the Saints signed Matty Shart or Cam, dude...I'd have a problem with it. Because I hate those guys! Lol!!

I doubt anyone is questioning if he has the physical gifts to do the job.

Point is, some people think he's the next face of the franchise. And some people think he's a waste of time.

None of it matters until he either proves some people right or some people wrong.

Regardless of anything, I'm sure everyone with an opinion about Winston all want want the same thing. What's best for the team.

But it's all just speculation on both sides right now.

K Major · 04-06-2021, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

K...seriously. Wth has Winston "shown" you on Sundays? Seriously the guy was a clown at TB and was a backup here for 1 year. Why is everyone hating on people that aren't sold on him yet?

They have every right to not be sold on him yet. Regardless if its because of his interceptions, his intelligence, his past, him being a QB and his previous team being a rival or his overall dorkiness. Hell he could've flipped them the bird when he was 8 years old.

Good hell, if the Saints signed Matty Shart or Cam, dude...I'd have a problem with it. Because I hate those guys! Lol!!

I doubt anyone is questioning if he has the physical gifts to do the job.

Point is, some people think he's the next face of the franchise. And some people think he's a waste of time.

None of it matters until he either proves some people right or some people wrong.

Regardless of anything, I'm sure everyone with an opinion about Winston all want want the same thing. What's best for the team.

But it's all just speculation on both sides right now.

^^^^

IMO Jameis gives the Saints the best chance in 2021.

He has the pedigree, but simply lacked the maturity. Dude changed his diet, got married, had eye surgery & signed a minimum contract. JW wanted to sit back and learn from Brees for a complete season. All those signs point to a player that should improve.

If Jameis can throw for 4k, 25TDs & limit the INTs we all are contenders in the post season.

Personally I think he can keep us as contenders but hey that's just me. Can't wait for 2021 season. Lol, the NFL is hard.

By the way, you aren't playing QB in Sean Payton's system unless you are sharp. JW is a very intelligent young man.

Que, sera sera.

rezburna · 04-06-2021, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

^^^^

IMO Jameis gives the Saints the best chance in 2021.

He has the pedigree, but simply lacked the maturity. Dude changed his diet, got married, had eye surgery & signed a minimum contract. JW wanted to sit back and learn from Brees for a complete season. All those signs point to a player that should improve.

If Jameis can throw for 4k, 25TDs & limit the INTs we all are contenders in the post season.

Personally I think he can keep us as contenders but hey that's just me. Can't wait for 2021 season. Lol, the NFL is hard.

By the way, you aren't playing QB in Sean Payton's system unless you are sharp. JW is a very intelligent young man.

Que, sera sera.

Facts. He could have easily gone to Chicago or Washington and started.

Boston Saint · 04-06-2021, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

They have every right to not be sold on him yet.

In fairness, not being sold on him is one thing. Being insulting of the player and his abilities while willfully ignoring his accomplishments is another.

AsylumGuido · 04-06-2021, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

In fairness, not being sold on him is one thing. Being insulting of the player and his abilities while willfully ignoring his accomplishments is another.

Agreed. I'm personally not sold on him as our future, but to label Winston as trash because of his interception total for one season is ridiculous. The same year he had the 30 picks he also led the entire league in yardage (5109) and was second in TD's (33) to only Lamar Jackson's 36.

Rugby Saint II · 04-06-2021, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

In fairness, not being sold on him is one thing. Being insulting of the player and his abilities while willfully ignoring his accomplishments is another.

Before he came here I thought he was trash. Now that he's a Saint I'm supposed to give him a pass with no more information? Not happening. I have backed off of my inflammatory statements toward him. Actually, I think he gives us the best chance of winning this season. I have my reservations but I believe he has earned a second chance. Lord help us!

voodooido · 04-06-2021, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

This has nothing to do with the Favre Comparison question I put to you which you avoided. But, if you want to point out that Brady (by most measures the greatest QB ever) won a SB with a Tampa team that had improved WRs, RBs, OL and D as evidence that Winston is a “trash” QB, I will again call that an ignorant statement. Would you care to answer my question about why Winston’s terrible 30 Int season with a net +4 TDS was so much worse than Favres 29 with a -9? Or Elway’s -7? Or any of the other SB winning QBs I pointed out in previous threads that clearly had worse seasons (Brees first two years vs Winston’s for example) than ANY season Winston has had? No, you don’t. You are just going to pull out the “He Sucks” narrative and hope you are right.

If JW came to NO with the same credentials Farve has I would welcome him with open arms. Instead, he comes with a vet minimum 1yr deal because no one else wanted him. I don’t want him or Hill starting but I’d pick Hill over him all day. I want the Saints future to be drafted this year. Deep qb class will make someone fall to 28.

Boston Saint · 04-06-2021, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Instead, he comes with a vet minimum 1yr deal because no one else wanted him.

Not true. He had offers from other teams he turned down. Another sign of your unwarranted evaluation of him.

04-06-2021, 12:54 PM	#31
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,237	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by voodooido And the next season Tom Brady won the super bowl with TB ... after they abandoned Arians' offense and went with Brady's. Not to mention the fact that Brady may be the best QB to ever play the game. I'm no fan of Winston's either, but to say he's trash is simply incorrect. He could easily start for half the teams in the league.

04-06-2021, 01:03 PM	#32
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by voodooido And the next season Tom Brady won the super bowl with TB This has nothing to do with the Favre Comparison question I put to you which you avoided. But, if you want to point out that Brady (by most measures the greatest QB ever) won a SB with a Tampa team that had improved WRs, RBs, OL and D as evidence that Winston is a “trash” QB, I will again call that an ignorant statement. Would you care to answer my question about why Winston’s terrible 30 Int season with a net +4 TDS was so much worse than Favres 29 with a -9? Or Elway’s -7? Or any of the other SB winning QBs I pointed out in previous threads that clearly had worse seasons (Brees first two years vs Winston’s for example) than ANY season Winston has had? No, you don’t. You are just going to pull out the “He Sucks” narrative and hope you are right.
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04-06-2021, 02:42 PM	#33
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,662	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by K Major I think some are simply not a fan of the "person" and not the player regardless of what they see or don't see on Sundays. But I agree, Jameis has serious ability and I'm glad Sean Payton and his staff thought enough of him to give him another chance at becoming a good NFL QB. K...seriously. Wth has Winston "shown" you on Sundays? Seriously the guy was a clown at TB and was a backup here for 1 year. Why is everyone hating on people that aren't sold on him yet? They have every right to not be sold on him yet. Regardless if its because of his interceptions, his intelligence, his past, him being a QB and his previous team being a rival or his overall dorkiness. Hell he could've flipped them the bird when he was 8 years old. Good hell, if the Saints signed Matty Shart or Cam, dude...I'd have a problem with it. Because I hate those guys! Lol!! I doubt anyone is questioning if he has the physical gifts to do the job. Point is, some people think he's the next face of the franchise. And some people think he's a waste of time. None of it matters until he either proves some people right or some people wrong. Regardless of anything, I'm sure everyone with an opinion about Winston all want want the same thing. What's best for the team. But it's all just speculation on both sides right now. Rugby Saint II and voodooido like this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by jnormand K...seriously. Wth has Winston "shown" you on Sundays? Seriously the guy was a clown at TB and was a backup here for 1 year. Why is everyone hating on people that aren't sold on him yet? They have every right to not be sold on him yet. Regardless if its because of his interceptions, his intelligence, his past, him being a QB and his previous team being a rival or his overall dorkiness. Hell he could've flipped them the bird when he was 8 years old. Good hell, if the Saints signed Matty Shart or Cam, dude...I'd have a problem with it. Because I hate those guys! Lol!! I doubt anyone is questioning if he has the physical gifts to do the job. Point is, some people think he's the next face of the franchise. And some people think he's a waste of time. None of it matters until he either proves some people right or some people wrong. Regardless of anything, I'm sure everyone with an opinion about Winston all want want the same thing. What's best for the team. But it's all just speculation on both sides right now. ^^^^ IMO Jameis gives the Saints the best chance in 2021. He has the pedigree, but simply lacked the maturity. Dude changed his diet, got married, had eye surgery & signed a minimum contract. JW wanted to sit back and learn from Brees for a complete season. All those signs point to a player that should improve. If Jameis can throw for 4k, 25TDs & limit the INTs we all are contenders in the post season. Personally I think he can keep us as contenders but hey that's just me. Can't wait for 2021 season. Lol, the NFL is hard. By the way, you aren't playing QB in Sean Payton's system unless you are sharp. JW is a very intelligent young man. Que, sera sera. AsylumGuido, SmashMouth and gosaints1 like this.
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04-06-2021, 04:09 PM	#35
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by K Major ^^^^ IMO Jameis gives the Saints the best chance in 2021. He has the pedigree, but simply lacked the maturity. Dude changed his diet, got married, had eye surgery & signed a minimum contract. JW wanted to sit back and learn from Brees for a complete season. All those signs point to a player that should improve. If Jameis can throw for 4k, 25TDs & limit the INTs we all are contenders in the post season. Personally I think he can keep us as contenders but hey that's just me. Can't wait for 2021 season. Lol, the NFL is hard. By the way, you aren't playing QB in Sean Payton's system unless you are sharp. JW is a very intelligent young man. Que, sera sera. Facts. He could have easily gone to Chicago or Washington and started. gosaints1 likes this.

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Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by jnormand They have every right to not be sold on him yet. In fairness, not being sold on him is one thing. Being insulting of the player and his abilities while willfully ignoring his accomplishments is another.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,237	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by Boston Saint In fairness, not being sold on him is one thing. Being insulting of the player and his abilities while willfully ignoring his accomplishments is another. Agreed. I'm personally not sold on him as our future, but to label Winston as trash because of his interception total for one season is ridiculous. The same year he had the 30 picks he also led the entire league in yardage (5109) and was second in TD's (33) to only Lamar Jackson's 36.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by Boston Saint In fairness, not being sold on him is one thing. Being insulting of the player and his abilities while willfully ignoring his accomplishments is another. Before he came here I thought he was trash. Now that he's a Saint I'm supposed to give him a pass with no more information? Not happening. I have backed off of my inflammatory statements toward him. Actually, I think he gives us the best chance of winning this season. I have my reservations but I believe he has earned a second chance. Lord help us! jnormand likes this.

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voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by Boston Saint This has nothing to do with the Favre Comparison question I put to you which you avoided. But, if you want to point out that Brady (by most measures the greatest QB ever) won a SB with a Tampa team that had improved WRs, RBs, OL and D as evidence that Winston is a “trash” QB, I will again call that an ignorant statement. Would you care to answer my question about why Winston’s terrible 30 Int season with a net +4 TDS was so much worse than Favres 29 with a -9? Or Elway’s -7? Or any of the other SB winning QBs I pointed out in previous threads that clearly had worse seasons (Brees first two years vs Winston’s for example) than ANY season Winston has had? No, you don’t. You are just going to pull out the “He Sucks” narrative and hope you are right. If JW came to NO with the same credentials Farve has I would welcome him with open arms. Instead, he comes with a vet minimum 1yr deal because no one else wanted him. I don’t want him or Hill starting but I’d pick Hill over him all day. I want the Saints future to be drafted this year. Deep qb class will make someone fall to 28. jnormand likes this.
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Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by voodooido Instead, he comes with a vet minimum 1yr deal because no one else wanted him. Not true. He had offers from other teams he turned down. Another sign of your unwarranted evaluation of him.