Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total

Boston Saint · 04-05-2021, 06:50 PM

Glad to know you’re on his side

voodooido · 04-05-2021, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Glad to know you’re on his side

If that was meant for me I am in no way pulling against JW. I’m just not drinking the koolaid. The dude is 2nd string at best

Boston Saint · 04-05-2021, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

If that was meant for me I am in no way pulling against JW. I’m just not drinking the koolaid. The dude is 2nd string at best

BS. Your attitude and statements towards him make it clear you do not want him to succeed.

jnormand · 04-05-2021, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

BS. Your attitude and statements towards him make it clear you do not want him to succeed.

It's just his opinion. JW has to prove it. I'm not a believer in him right now either. The guy is an interception machine and doesn't seem very intelligent.

Why would he not want him to succeed?

I'll tell you this, I've never been a fan of the guy. Ever. Big deal.

But if he comes in and tears it up, I'll eat crow. But imo, if the front office saw something more in him, he'd have a bigger contract. Not a 1 year prove it deal.

Just my 2 cents.

Boston Saint · 04-06-2021, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

It's just his opinion. JW has to prove it. I'm not a believer in him right now either. The guy is an interception machine and doesn't seem very intelligent.

Why would he not want him to succeed?

I'll tell you this, I've never been a fan of the guy. Ever. Big deal.

But if he comes in and tears it up, I'll eat crow. But imo, if the front office saw something more in him, he'd have a bigger contract. Not a 1 year prove it deal.

Just my 2 cents.

I have no problem with doubting Winston. I doubt him too. But VD has gone way overboard in his criticism IMO. He’s exaggerated Winston’s turnovers, falsely claimed he was benched for Hill, makes hyperbolic statements about going undefeated and ignores any valid statistical observation about his performance when compared to other QBs. Doubting is one thing, blindly repeating “he sucks” with no other input is a personal grudge.

voodooido · 04-06-2021, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I have no problem with doubting Winston. I doubt him too. But VD has gone way overboard in his criticism IMO. He’s exaggerated Winston’s turnovers, falsely claimed he was benched for Hill, makes hyperbolic statements about going undefeated and ignores any valid statistical observation about his performance when compared to other QBs. Doubting is one thing, blindly repeating “he sucks” with no other input is a personal grudge.

Ok his turnovers are easily looked up. 30 ints his last year starting. That’s all I need to know. And as him being benched for hill, what would you call it? He played like crap and hill replaced him

AsylumGuido · 04-06-2021, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Ok his turnovers are easily looked up. 30 ints his last year starting. That’s all I need to know. And as him being benched for hill, what would you call it? He played like crap and hill replaced him

You can't "bench" a QB that never started a game. Brees and Hill are the only two QB's that started a game for the Saints last season. Before the season Payton laid out the plan to start Hill if Brees was unable to go, but planned to bring in Winston if Brees got injured during a game. That is exactly how it played out.

It made perfect sense. Hill practiced all week every week for his role as Joker. Winston took second team snaps. In a given week Winston was better prepared to take over mid-game based upon that week's game plan. On the other hand, Hill was much more entrenched into the full playbook and it made sense for him to be the starter if Brees was unable to go.

As for Winston's 30 picks, it was double his average from previous seasons and came under Bruce Arians whose philosophy was to take chances downfield.

Boston Saint · 04-06-2021, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Ok his turnovers are easily looked up. 30 ints his last year starting. That’s all I need to know. And as him being benched for hill, what would you call it? He played like crap and hill replaced him

If that’s “All you need to know” then that’s ignorant and short sided. Winston’s 30 Int season came with 33 TDs, 5000 yards and a 7-9 record. In 2005, Favre had 29 INTs (that’s only 1 less BTW) with only 20 TDS, less than 4,000 yards and a 4-12 record. Would your “all you need to know” attitude thrown in the towel on Favre?

voodooido · 04-06-2021, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

BS. Your attitude and statements towards him make it clear you do not want him to succeed.

If I wanted to argue I would be talking to my wife. I said what I said. Dude does great I’ll eat crow but IMO he is pure trash

rezburna · 04-06-2021, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

If I wanted to argue I would be talking to my wife. I said what I said. Dude does great I’ll eat crow but IMO he is pure trash

Trash is an overstatement. He’s far from trash. Trash is Mason Rudolph or Chase Daniel. Some career back up that’s never accomplished anything. Winston is talented af.

04-05-2021, 06:50 PM	#1
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04-05-2021, 08:11 PM	#2
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,850	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by Boston Saint Glad to know you’re on his side If that was meant for me I am in no way pulling against JW. I’m just not drinking the koolaid. The dude is 2nd string at best subguy and jnormand like this.
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04-05-2021, 10:01 PM	#3
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by voodooido If that was meant for me I am in no way pulling against JW. I’m just not drinking the koolaid. The dude is 2nd string at best BS. Your attitude and statements towards him make it clear you do not want him to succeed.

04-05-2021, 10:46 PM	#4
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,788	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by Boston Saint BS. Your attitude and statements towards him make it clear you do not want him to succeed. It's just his opinion. JW has to prove it. I'm not a believer in him right now either. The guy is an interception machine and doesn't seem very intelligent. Why would he not want him to succeed? I'll tell you this, I've never been a fan of the guy. Ever. Big deal. But if he comes in and tears it up, I'll eat crow. But imo, if the front office saw something more in him, he'd have a bigger contract. Not a 1 year prove it deal. Just my 2 cents. subguy, Rugby Saint II, voodooido and 1 others like this.

04-06-2021, 06:50 AM	#5
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by jnormand It's just his opinion. JW has to prove it. I'm not a believer in him right now either. The guy is an interception machine and doesn't seem very intelligent. Why would he not want him to succeed? I'll tell you this, I've never been a fan of the guy. Ever. Big deal. But if he comes in and tears it up, I'll eat crow. But imo, if the front office saw something more in him, he'd have a bigger contract. Not a 1 year prove it deal. Just my 2 cents. I have no problem with doubting Winston. I doubt him too. But VD has gone way overboard in his criticism IMO. He’s exaggerated Winston’s turnovers, falsely claimed he was benched for Hill, makes hyperbolic statements about going undefeated and ignores any valid statistical observation about his performance when compared to other QBs. Doubting is one thing, blindly repeating “he sucks” with no other input is a personal grudge. K Major and rezburna like this.

04-06-2021, 08:41 AM	#6
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,850	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by Boston Saint I have no problem with doubting Winston. I doubt him too. But VD has gone way overboard in his criticism IMO. He’s exaggerated Winston’s turnovers, falsely claimed he was benched for Hill, makes hyperbolic statements about going undefeated and ignores any valid statistical observation about his performance when compared to other QBs. Doubting is one thing, blindly repeating “he sucks” with no other input is a personal grudge. Ok his turnovers are easily looked up. 30 ints his last year starting. That’s all I need to know. And as him being benched for hill, what would you call it? He played like crap and hill replaced him
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04-06-2021, 08:56 AM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,852	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by voodooido Ok his turnovers are easily looked up. 30 ints his last year starting. That’s all I need to know. And as him being benched for hill, what would you call it? He played like crap and hill replaced him You can't "bench" a QB that never started a game. Brees and Hill are the only two QB's that started a game for the Saints last season. Before the season Payton laid out the plan to start Hill if Brees was unable to go, but planned to bring in Winston if Brees got injured during a game. That is exactly how it played out. It made perfect sense. Hill practiced all week every week for his role as Joker. Winston took second team snaps. In a given week Winston was better prepared to take over mid-game based upon that week's game plan. On the other hand, Hill was much more entrenched into the full playbook and it made sense for him to be the starter if Brees was unable to go. As for Winston's 30 picks, it was double his average from previous seasons and came under Bruce Arians whose philosophy was to take chances downfield. Boston Saint likes this.
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04-06-2021, 09:06 AM	#8
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by voodooido Ok his turnovers are easily looked up. 30 ints his last year starting. That’s all I need to know. And as him being benched for hill, what would you call it? He played like crap and hill replaced him If that’s “All you need to know” then that’s ignorant and short sided. Winston’s 30 Int season came with 33 TDs, 5000 yards and a 7-9 record. In 2005, Favre had 29 INTs (that’s only 1 less BTW) with only 20 TDS, less than 4,000 yards and a 4-12 record. Would your “all you need to know” attitude thrown in the towel on Favre? K Major and rezburna like this.

04-06-2021, 08:38 AM	#9
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,850	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by Boston Saint BS. Your attitude and statements towards him make it clear you do not want him to succeed. If I wanted to argue I would be talking to my wife. I said what I said. Dude does great I’ll eat crow but IMO he is pure trash
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04-06-2021, 09:07 AM	#10
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,131	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by voodooido If I wanted to argue I would be talking to my wife. I said what I said. Dude does great I’ll eat crow but IMO he is pure trash Trash is an overstatement. He’s far from trash. Trash is Mason Rudolph or Chase Daniel. Some career back up that’s never accomplished anything. Winston is talented af. 73Saint, K Major and Boston Saint like this.

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