Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 918303)

I realize that DeMaurice Smith let the players negotiate for less time getting ready to play NFL football while giving all the power to Godhell. Football is sloppier to start than it was years ago when coaches ran players in the ground and toughened them up. Now we can't force players to fit the system. More and more players are opting out of voluntary workouts.

I realize that more injuries occur in physical practices but if your not ready for it then playing the game is where you will get hurt if your body is not ready for the punishment. If you were a player for the Saints would you opt out of the chance to build chemistry with your team mates and impress the coaches? Personally, I'd try hard to follow the schedule that Brees used to gain such success. First in and last out of the facilities.

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 918303)

I realize that DeMaurice Smith let the players negotiate for less time getting ready to play NFL football while giving all the power to Godhell. Football is sloppier to start than it was years ago when coaches ran players in the ground and toughened them up. Now we can't force players to fit the system. More and more players are opting out of voluntary workouts.

I realize that more injuries occur in physical practices but if your not ready for it then playing the game is where you will get hurt if your body is not ready for the punishment. If you were a player for the Saints would you opt out of the chance to build chemistry with your team mates and impress the coaches? Personally, I'd try hard to follow the schedule that Brees used to gain such success. First in and last out of the facilities.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 918306)

The NFLPA has asked all players to hold out of all voluntary activities until after COVID is no longer a concern. It is expected that all players will end up complying with that request. So, it's looking like no OTA's once again nor any other voluntary workouts.

Memo:

“We have been in regular contact with the NFL on negotiations over a virtual offseason. As we have shared with your Executive Committee and Board, it is clear that neither side wants to move off their respective position. As we have made clear throughout bargaining: The COVID status in the country is as perilous as it was at this point last year; a number of players recently tested positive at team facilities. COVID weekly positive rates are as high, if not higher than, at this point last offseason; and NFL players who contracted COVID last season can become infected again.

“We believe that having the same offseason rules as last year is in the best interest of . . . the players and gives us the best chance of completing a full NFL season in 2021.

“As you know, other than minicamps, all offseason workouts are completely voluntary despite some of the language used by the clubs in recent days. And, while the CBA allows the teams to host mandatory minicamps, we believe the league should make them virtual just like last season.


“It is the recommendation of the NFLPA based on our medical experts’ advice that if the voluntary offseason program is in person, players should not attend. Therefore, as teams host calls to discuss these issues we urge that all players consider their own health and safety, make a personal decision about attending voluntary workouts and take into consideration the unanimous recommendation of the NFLPA COVID committee that we have an entirely virtual offseason.

“Please let your Player Director know what the consensus is of your teammates regarding their individual decision about the voluntary offseason period. We will let you know what we hear regarding minicamps and training camp structure and schedule.”

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 918362)

We should be prepared for another slow start across the NFL this season. OTA's build team chemistry as well as the essential conditioning. The players get into their rhythm and schedules change from their personal trainer to an NFL program designed for you and the team to execute.

OTA's are great for establishing good relations with your team mates and starting to get in sync and get back to discussing detailed football with the team leaders and veterans whose brains you can pick. If we skip that there will still need to be an abbreviated mini-camp and training camp with the shortened preseason. We will have fewer vets now and we need help immediately on the field with less time to prepare them.

I have a feeling that we will start slower than last year but finish strong if we stay relatively healthy and have well trained back ups ready to go. We have several holes on defense that that players will need time in the system. We finally had all the defensive players for DA's scheme to succeed.

Not to mention that Sean's play book will look vastly different without Drew under center. Payton will have lots of new installations that even our best vets need reps to learn a new playbook. Thanks Guido for sharing more valuable information.

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 918371)

All I can say is do not draft players who sat out last season. Missing a year of development and the impending skipping of OTA’s will put them so far behind.

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 918373)

So... Neaux Jamar Chase if he falls to us?

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 918373)

So... Neaux Jamar Chase if he falls to us?

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 918374)

More than likely the first WR taken off the board.

LSU WR's and LB's continue to transition well in the NFL.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 918306)

The NFLPA has asked all players to hold out of all voluntary activities until after COVID is no longer a concern. It is expected that all players will end up complying with that request. So, it's looking like no OTA's once again nor any other voluntary workouts.

Memo:

“We have been in regular contact with the NFL on negotiations over a virtual offseason. As we have shared with your Executive Committee and Board, it is clear that neither side wants to move off their respective position. As we have made clear throughout bargaining: The COVID status in the country is as perilous as it was at this point last year; a number of players recently tested positive at team facilities. COVID weekly positive rates are as high, if not higher than, at this point last offseason; and NFL players who contracted COVID last season can become infected again.

“We believe that having the same offseason rules as last year is in the best interest of . . . the players and gives us the best chance of completing a full NFL season in 2021.

“As you know, other than minicamps, all offseason workouts are completely voluntary despite some of the language used by the clubs in recent days. And, while the CBA allows the teams to host mandatory minicamps, we believe the league should make them virtual just like last season.

“It is the recommendation of the NFLPA based on our medical experts’ advice that if the voluntary offseason program is in person, players should not attend. Therefore, as teams host calls to discuss these issues we urge that all players consider their own health and safety, make a personal decision about attending voluntary workouts and take into consideration the unanimous recommendation of the NFLPA COVID committee that we have an entirely virtual offseason.

“Please let your Player Director know what the consensus is of your teammates regarding their individual decision about the voluntary offseason period. We will let you know what we hear regarding minicamps and training camp structure and schedule.”

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 918420)

Because nobody gives a rats ass about Covid anymore. A lot of these players didn’t give a **** during the regular season when they were forced to be there every day. They sure as hell aren’t going to adhere to procedure at this point.
Players are just getting lazy. I too have noticed more sloppy starts in the last several years.

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 918421)

Last years rookies like Ruiz, Baun and Trautman will lose even more development. I was hoping for a full offseason of development for them but it’s apparently not going to happen. It’s imperative that we draft plug and play starters this year.

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 918421)

Last years rookies like Ruiz, Baun and Trautman will lose even more development. I was hoping for a full offseason of development for them but it’s apparently not going to happen. It’s imperative that we draft plug and play starters this year.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 918423)

Those are few and far between. They were talking about that on NFL Radio yesterday. ALL rookies need development even if they are forced to start. They said no rookie is truly ready.

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 918427)

Let me pose this question then Guido... would you consider it prudent then to be aggressive and trade up for guys we feel confident can contribute right away? I feel like the prevailing thought this year has been that we have holes and need as many draft picks as possible so DON’T trade up.

Personally, I want to win and I really only see holes at CB and LB. If we can get the best of the best at those positions then let’s do it.

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 918428)

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 918441)

I think you underestimate Tre’Quan Smith as a Z receiver. He was fantastic in that role in college and then came to a team that didn’t throw it deep. His stock is soaring in my mind with a new QB.

We don’t need O-Line. I know you guys are eager to run off Armstead but he isn’t going anywhere and nor should he. 12 games of Armstead is better than not having Armstead. He’s one of the best in the league. Peat ain’t going anywhere. Ruiz should be making the switch the center.

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 918303)

I realize that DeMaurice Smith let the players negotiate for less time getting ready to play NFL football while giving all the power to Godhell. Football is sloppier to start than it was years ago when coaches ran players in the ground and toughened them up. Now we can't force players to fit the system. More and more players are opting out of voluntary workouts.

I realize that more injuries occur in physical practices but if your not ready for it then playing the game is where you will get hurt if your body is not ready for the punishment. If you were a player for the Saints would you opt out of the chance to build chemistry with your team mates and impress the coaches? Personally, I'd try hard to follow the schedule that Brees used to gain such success. First in and last out of the facilities.

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 918445)

It isn't that simple Rugs. What gets players hurt in full pad practice is missing the off-season workouts which should be designed to get players ready to hit. Junior High, High school, and college all do extensive off season workouts leading up to full pad workouts to prevent this by getting joints, tendons, and ligaments in shape for the stress and torque of full practices and games.

Being "in shape" is not being in "football conditioned" as those have two fairly different requirements. The less they do before pads the more injuries you will see especially in the front 7 on either side of the ball.

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 918449)

Exactly. I fully expect to see more injuries this year.

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 918303)

I realize that DeMaurice Smith let the players negotiate for less time getting ready to play NFL football while giving all the power to Godhell. Football is sloppier to start than it was years ago when coaches ran players in the ground and toughened them up. Now we can't force players to fit the system. More and more players are opting out of voluntary workouts.

I realize that more injuries occur in physical practices but if your not ready for it then playing the game is where you will get hurt if your body is not ready for the punishment. If you were a player for the Saints would you opt out of the chance to build chemistry with your team mates and impress the coaches? Personally, I'd try hard to follow the schedule that Brees used to gain such success. First in and last out of the facilities.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 918450)

More than last year? This year the players have far more access to off-site training facilities which were not open at all last year. They couldn't even go to local high schools or parks to workout. They will have three preseason games as opposed to none like last year.

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 918459)

The only player that I’ve see do structural work is Kamara because he does a lot of off balance work. Sleds, straight line running, stadiums, weights, that’s not football conditioning. They would get more football conditioning playing basketball that solo workouts at a field or field house. That gives them strength and stamina but doesn’t condition them for lateral and torsional stresses on ankles, knees, and hips which is why we see so many tweaks and sprains.

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 918459)

The only player that I’ve see do structural work is Kamara because he does a lot of off balance work. Sleds, straight line running, stadiums, weights, that’s not football conditioning. They would get more football conditioning playing basketball that solo workouts at a field or field house. That gives them strength and stamina but doesn’t condition them for lateral and torsional stresses on ankles, knees, and hips which is why we see so many tweaks and sprains.

Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 918466)

Look like saints are joining the no workout movement


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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 918465)

You'd think that if the Saints were smart, having a real a off season while everyone else is doing stupid virtual training would give them an advantage.

But whatever.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 918423)

Those are few and far between. They were talking about that on NFL Radio yesterday. ALL rookies need development even if they are forced to start. They said no rookie is truly ready.

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 918445)

It isn't that simple Rugs. What gets players hurt in full pad practice is missing the off-season workouts which should be designed to get players ready to hit. Junior High, High school, and college all do extensive off season workouts leading up to full pad workouts to prevent this by getting joints, tendons, and ligaments in shape for the stress and torque of full practices and games.

Being "in shape" is not being in "football conditioned" as those have two fairly different requirements. The less they do before pads the more injuries you will see especially in the front 7 on either side of the ball.

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 918598)

Ramczyk?

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 918598)

Ramczyk?

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 918598)

Ramczyk?

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 918608)

I remember right after the draft Peter Prisco gave Saints a C for drafting Ryan :(. "Where will he play? Where does this leave Streif. He doesn't love football :rolleyes:" yada, yada, yada.

As a rookie Ramz played in all 16 games, only 4 penalties/2 sacks/1 false start & 2 holding calls. Borderline elite play as a rookie @ tackle.

This is a guy who will be well deserving of a huge upcoming payday. Not many in his draft class played better or had more impact as a rookie.

Not too much more you can ask production wise from a former 1st rounder.

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 918613)

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 918608)

I remember right after the draft Peter Prisco gave Saints a C for drafting Ryan :(. "Where will he play? Where does this leave Streif. He doesn't love football :rolleyes:" yada, yada, yada.

As a rookie Ramz played in all 16 games, only 4 penalties/2 sacks/1 false start & 2 holding calls. Borderline elite play as a rookie @ tackle.

This is a guy who will be well deserving of a huge upcoming payday. Not many in his draft class played better or had more impact as a rookie.

Not too much more you can ask production wise from a former 1st rounder.

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 918599)

The better rugby teams practice live tackling every week in a scrimmage. They don't just play on Saturday. They also play on Thursday after fitness and skills drills on Tuesday. You've got to get used to taking a beating and not breaking down because your ligaments and muscles are conditioned for it from practicing.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 918616)

Not all first rounders end up starting. Ideally that is the plan, but studies have shown that only around 2/3rd's of first rounders end up starting more than half their games. Far fewer than that can be called elite as Ramczyk clearly has shown himself. He absolutely beat the odds.