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Old 04-15-2021, 01:50 PM   #1
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I realize that DeMaurice Smith let the players negotiate for less time getting ready to play NFL football while giving all the power to Godhell. Football is sloppier to start than it was years ago when coaches ran players in the ground and toughened them up. Now we can't force players to fit the system. More and more players are opting out of voluntary workouts.

I realize that more injuries occur in physical practices but if your not ready for it then playing the game is where you will get hurt if your body is not ready for the punishment. If you were a player for the Saints would you opt out of the chance to build chemistry with your team mates and impress the coaches? Personally, I'd try hard to follow the schedule that Brees used to gain such success. First in and last out of the facilities.
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I realize that DeMaurice Smith let the players negotiate for less time getting ready to play NFL football while giving all the power to Godhell. Football is sloppier to start than it was years ago when coaches ran players in the ground and toughened them up. Now we can't force players to fit the system. More and more players are opting out of voluntary workouts.

I realize that more injuries occur in physical practices but if your not ready for it then playing the game is where you will get hurt if your body is not ready for the punishment. If you were a player for the Saints would you opt out of the chance to build chemistry with your team mates and impress the coaches? Personally, I'd try hard to follow the schedule that Brees used to gain such success. First in and last out of the facilities.
I would certainly take advantage of it as Winston or Hill, or Callaway, Smith, or Humphries. Positions that need work and improvement. I wouldn’t make a big deal for Thomas, Kamara, or Jordan not attending and risking injury to established players.
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Old 04-15-2021, 03:04 PM   #3
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I realize that DeMaurice Smith let the players negotiate for less time getting ready to play NFL football while giving all the power to Godhell. Football is sloppier to start than it was years ago when coaches ran players in the ground and toughened them up. Now we can't force players to fit the system. More and more players are opting out of voluntary workouts.

I realize that more injuries occur in physical practices but if your not ready for it then playing the game is where you will get hurt if your body is not ready for the punishment. If you were a player for the Saints would you opt out of the chance to build chemistry with your team mates and impress the coaches? Personally, I'd try hard to follow the schedule that Brees used to gain such success. First in and last out of the facilities.
The NFLPA has asked all players to hold out of all voluntary activities until after COVID is no longer a concern. It is expected that all players will end up complying with that request. So, it's looking like no OTA's once again nor any other voluntary workouts.

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“We have been in regular contact with the NFL on negotiations over a virtual offseason. As we have shared with your Executive Committee and Board, it is clear that neither side wants to move off their respective position. As we have made clear throughout bargaining: The COVID status in the country is as perilous as it was at this point last year; a number of players recently tested positive at team facilities. COVID weekly positive rates are as high, if not higher than, at this point last offseason; and NFL players who contracted COVID last season can become infected again.

“We believe that having the same offseason rules as last year is in the best interest of . . . the players and gives us the best chance of completing a full NFL season in 2021.

“As you know, other than minicamps, all offseason workouts are completely voluntary despite some of the language used by the clubs in recent days. And, while the CBA allows the teams to host mandatory minicamps, we believe the league should make them virtual just like last season.

“It is the recommendation of the NFLPA based on our medical experts’ advice that if the voluntary offseason program is in person, players should not attend. Therefore, as teams host calls to discuss these issues we urge that all players consider their own health and safety, make a personal decision about attending voluntary workouts and take into consideration the unanimous recommendation of the NFLPA COVID committee that we have an entirely virtual offseason.

“Please let your Player Director know what the consensus is of your teammates regarding their individual decision about the voluntary offseason period. We will let you know what we hear regarding minicamps and training camp structure and schedule.”
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The NFLPA has asked all players to hold out of all voluntary activities until after COVID is no longer a concern. It is expected that all players will end up complying with that request. So, it's looking like no OTA's once again nor any other voluntary workouts.

Memo:

“We have been in regular contact with the NFL on negotiations over a virtual offseason. As we have shared with your Executive Committee and Board, it is clear that neither side wants to move off their respective position. As we have made clear throughout bargaining: The COVID status in the country is as perilous as it was at this point last year; a number of players recently tested positive at team facilities. COVID weekly positive rates are as high, if not higher than, at this point last offseason; and NFL players who contracted COVID last season can become infected again.

“We believe that having the same offseason rules as last year is in the best interest of . . . the players and gives us the best chance of completing a full NFL season in 2021.

“As you know, other than minicamps, all offseason workouts are completely voluntary despite some of the language used by the clubs in recent days. And, while the CBA allows the teams to host mandatory minicamps, we believe the league should make them virtual just like last season.


“It is the recommendation of the NFLPA based on our medical experts’ advice that if the voluntary offseason program is in person, players should not attend. Therefore, as teams host calls to discuss these issues we urge that all players consider their own health and safety, make a personal decision about attending voluntary workouts and take into consideration the unanimous recommendation of the NFLPA COVID committee that we have an entirely virtual offseason.

“Please let your Player Director know what the consensus is of your teammates regarding their individual decision about the voluntary offseason period. We will let you know what we hear regarding minicamps and training camp structure and schedule.”
We should be prepared for another slow start across the NFL this season. OTA's build team chemistry as well as the essential conditioning. The players get into their rhythm and schedules change from their personal trainer to an NFL program designed for you and the team to execute.

OTA's are great for establishing good relations with your team mates and starting to get in sync and get back to discussing detailed football with the team leaders and veterans whose brains you can pick. If we skip that there will still need to be an abbreviated mini-camp and training camp with the shortened preseason. We will have fewer vets now and we need help immediately on the field with less time to prepare them.

I have a feeling that we will start slower than last year but finish strong if we stay relatively healthy and have well trained back ups ready to go. We have several holes on defense that that players will need time in the system. We finally had all the defensive players for DA's scheme to succeed.

Not to mention that Sean's play book will look vastly different without Drew under center. Payton will have lots of new installations that even our best vets need reps to learn a new playbook. Thanks Guido for sharing more valuable information.

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We should be prepared for another slow start across the NFL this season. OTA's build team chemistry as well as the essential conditioning. The players get into their rhythm and schedules change from their personal trainer to an NFL program designed for you and the team to execute.

OTA's are great for establishing good relations with your team mates and starting to get in sync and get back to discussing detailed football with the team leaders and veterans whose brains you can pick. If we skip that there will still need to be an abbreviated mini-camp and training camp with the shortened preseason. We will have fewer vets now and we need help immediately on the field with less time to prepare them.

I have a feeling that we will start slower than last year but finish strong if we stay relatively healthy and have well trained back ups ready to go. We have several holes on defense that that players will need time in the system. We finally had all the defensive players for DA's scheme to succeed.

Not to mention that Sean's play book will look vastly different without Drew under center. Payton will have lots of new installations that even our best vets need reps to learn a new playbook. Thanks Guido for sharing more valuable information.
"if we stay relatively healthy"

^^^^^

This is a major reason for much of our post-season struggles as of late. Crossing my fingers that luck swings our way a bit more this season.
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Old 04-16-2021, 01:51 PM   #6
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All I can say is do not draft players who sat out last season. Missing a year of development and the impending skipping of OTA’s will put them so far behind.
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All I can say is do not draft players who sat out last season. Missing a year of development and the impending skipping of OTA’s will put them so far behind.
So... Neaux Jamar Chase if he falls to us?
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So... Neaux Jamar Chase if he falls to us?
More than likely the first WR taken off the board.

LSU WR's and LB's continue to transition well in the NFL.
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So... Neaux Jamar Chase if he falls to us?
Chase falling to us.

I’m talking more about the late first through third round prospects who you would expect to have a role as a rookie; not top 10 prospects like Chase or Sewell.
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More than likely the first WR taken off the board.

LSU WR's and LB's continue to transition well in the NFL.

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