Re: I hope we don't trade up.
 

As he should. Payton has been right the vast majority of his tenure with the Saints.

Re: I hope we don't trade up.
 

I don’t like trading up unless it is for a QB or you are one player away from being a major Super Bowl contender and you move up to fill that one need. If the reports are true that this trade up is for a non-QB than I’m not a big fan because we are more than one player away from being a top contender.

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I get all the possibilities Guido. The fact of the matter is that tonight, at the start of the draft, you do not have a starting QB. If you do not have one then the position is open and contrary to popular opinion I would go all in to better myself at the position that touches the ball on every snap except kicks. I also vividly remember what it was like before Drew Brees and regardless of how confident people are in our two possibilities, no one has said either is the next Drew Brees.


John Madden used to say "if you have two QBs, you do not have one"... In the NFL that has historically held true. Teams that start a season with a controversy and two QBs dont fair as well as college teams who do the same.

I would roll the dice and roll them hard :bng:

Re: I hope we don't trade up.
 

Trading up increases your chances of getting an impact player. There's a reason later picks are later. It's because statistically speaking they garner a less successful player. Of course, not in every case, but statistically, yes.

Re: I hope we don't trade up.
 

Saints seem to be all in on the QB by committee, they tried it with Drew and Taysom, to varying degrees of success. I’m not a fan, but I’m biased towards siding with Coach Madden. That being said, when Drew was out, either with Teddy or Taysom, the Saints performed exceptionally well. Both Winston and Taysom are, imho, better QB’s than Teddy Two Gloves. Question wrt Taysom is if he is just a gadget player..., Question wrt Winston is if he has learned how to manage a game. I’m good with testing either out for a year, instead of reaching, or going all in, on a college prospect, that might need years of development behind a veteran QB anyways.

Re: I hope we don't trade up.
 

Firstly, I honesty feel that Payton knows we do not have two QB's. I believe he knows full well who the starter is and that that person is Winston. Don't forget, Winston was the first overall pick in the draft, as will be Trevor Lawrence. After Lawrence there is a major drop off to QB #2 (which appears to be Wilson) which will supposedly go #2 overall. After that there is a huge drop in potential. I feel Winston is easily better than anyone after Lawrence or Wilson. If the Saints feel the same there is no reason to target a QB given those two are out of reach.

Do I think Winston is the next Drew Brees? No. I don't think the next Drew Brees is even in the draft this year. Hell, it may be ten years, or more, before we see another. And don't forget, we didn't draft our last Drew Brees.

;)

Who is the QB (or QB's) in this draft that you are confident will be better than Jameis Winston?

Re: I hope we don't trade up.
 

Personally, I wouldn't call Taysom's 7 total passing attempts in 2020 while Drew was starting, QB by committee. That, to me, is a gadget.

Taysom and Teddy did show some success, Taysom and Teddy also took the field with very little if any tape on them as a QB in a Saints uniform... Much like how we struggle with rookie QBs. Taysom and Teddy also had Drew Brees on the side line... There are a lot more layers to Taysom and Teddy than just their records as starting QBs.

Re: I hope we don't trade up.
 

I expect that Taysom will resume that gadget role and will be happy with it as he has the right attitude. With Payton and company designing the offense I can see Winston being successful in that starting role. Not as successful as Brees, perhaps, but more potential for success than anything obtainable in the draft this year.

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The catch there brother is that when Drew Brees was in the draft, no one thought he would be Drew Brees either. Payton has an eye for QBs, I do believe he also had some words of influence getting Romo drafted in Dallas.


I promise you that Hill will go down a few games and that leaves us with Teddy and no back up. Winston only has 3 of 5 16 game seasons in Tampa so when he goes down Hill is all we have. Again, go all in and put you next franchise QB in a position to be there when you absolutely need him. Kind of like that 7th rounder.. what was his name... Tom Brady? I know Brady was a seventh rounder but if Payton is doing diligence to move up I trust that he has a very good reason.:bng:

Re: I hope we don't trade up.
 

And if the QB whisperer, Payton, agrees with me and knows there is no franchise worthy QB in the 2021 draft after Lawrence, and maybe Wilson?

And how many QB's drafted after let's say the 2nd round have turned out to be "franchise" quality in the history of the NFL? Not many. Most drafted in the first round do not end up being "franchise" quality.