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SaintFanInATLHELL 04-29-2021 02:47 PM

Re: I hope we don't trade up.
 
Wow! You are all over the place and it's almost all wrong.

1. Romo wasn't drafted. He was a college free agent.
2. Brady was drafted in the 6th round, not the 7th.
3. What does Teddy have to do with any of this? Hint: Teddy just got traded to the Broncos.
4. Franchise QBs don't just fall off trees in any round, including the first. There are exactly 0 QBs drafted between 2011 and 2016 (including Winston) that remain with the team that drafted them.

Frankly, I'm disgusted at your dismissiveness of Winston as a franchise QB. Winston has more TDs and only 2 less wins than Brees did when he arrived here in 2006. One was lauded as the savior of the franchise, which he turned out to be. The other dismissed as a massive failure. Makes no sense to me.

Winston may not be a HOF QB like Brees or Brady. But I think it's dumb to dismiss as a potential franchise a QB that has pulled off game winning drives and 4th quarter comebacks. A QB that threw for 5000+ yards and 33 TDs in his last full season. Let's not forget that Tampa was a mess 12 games into last season until Brady essentially took the reigns as GM and offensive coordinator and turned the ship around. But he brought 20 years of championship experience and the best coaching in the league into that mix. Jameis up until now has been mired in a mess of changing coaches and schemes with no rhyme or reason.

But he has CSP and Loomis now. An experienced championship team that knows what they are doing and puts QBs into the best position to win.

I advise stop running around with your hair on fire, let CSP, Loomis, and Ireland do what they do in the draft, and look forward to a different, but hopefully excellent Postbreesian (tm to Guido) era of Saints football.

SFIAH

AsylumGuido 04-29-2021 02:56 PM

Re: I hope we don't trade up.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 919040)
Wow! You are all over the place and it's almost all wrong.

1. Romo wasn't drafted. He was a college free agent.
2. Brady was drafted in the 6th round, not the 7th.
3. What does Teddy have to do with any of this? Hint: Teddy just got traded to the Broncos.
4. Franchise QBs don't just fall off trees in any round, including the first. There are exactly 0 QBs drafted between 2011 and 2016 (including Winston) that remain with the team that drafted them.

Frankly, I'm disgusted at your dismissiveness of Winston as a franchise QB. Winston has more TDs and only 2 less wins than Brees did when he arrived here in 2006. One was lauded as the savior of the franchise, which he turned out to be. The other dismissed as a massive failure. Makes no sense to me.

Winston may not be a HOF QB like Brees or Brady. But I think it's dumb to dismiss as a potential franchise a QB that has pulled off game winning drives and 4th quarter comebacks. A QB that threw for 5000+ yards and 33 TDs in his last full season. Let's not forget that Tampa was a mess 12 games into last season until Brady essentially took the reigns as GM and offensive coordinator and turned the ship around. But he brought 20 years of championship experience and the best coaching in the league into that mix. Jameis up until now has been mired in a mess of changing coaches and schemes with no rhyme or reason.

But he has CSP and Loomis now. An experienced championship team that knows what they are doing and puts QBs into the best position to win.

I advise stop running around with your hair on fire, let CSP, Loomis, and Ireland do what they do in the draft, and look forward to a different, but hopefully excellent Postbreesian (tm to Guido) era of Saints football.

SFIAH

And the wife is wondering why I am applauding the computer.

:chug:

Boston Saint 04-29-2021 03:33 PM

Re: I hope we don't trade up.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 919040)
Wow! You are all over the place and it's almost all wrong.

1. Romo wasn't drafted. He was a college free agent.
2. Brady was drafted in the 6th round, not the 7th.
3. What does Teddy have to do with any of this? Hint: Teddy just got traded to the Broncos.
4. Franchise QBs don't just fall off trees in any round, including the first. There are exactly 0 QBs drafted between 2011 and 2016 (including Winston) that remain with the team that drafted them.

Frankly, I'm disgusted at your dismissiveness of Winston as a franchise QB. Winston has more TDs and only 2 less wins than Brees did when he arrived here in 2006. One was lauded as the savior of the franchise, which he turned out to be. The other dismissed as a massive failure. Makes no sense to me.

Winston may not be a HOF QB like Brees or Brady. But I think it's dumb to dismiss as a potential franchise a QB that has pulled off game winning drives and 4th quarter comebacks. A QB that threw for 5000+ yards and 33 TDs in his last full season. Let's not forget that Tampa was a mess 12 games into last season until Brady essentially took the reigns as GM and offensive coordinator and turned the ship around. But he brought 20 years of championship experience and the best coaching in the league into that mix. Jameis up until now has been mired in a mess of changing coaches and schemes with no rhyme or reason.

But he has CSP and Loomis now. An experienced championship team that knows what they are doing and puts QBs into the best position to win.

I advise stop running around with your hair on fire, let CSP, Loomis, and Ireland do what they do in the draft, and look forward to a different, but hopefully excellent Postbreesian (tm to Guido) era of Saints football.

SFIAH

Bravo! And many have said as much before. You don’t throw for 5,000 yards and 33 TDs if you aren’t a “starting QB” , I don’t care if it came with 30 INTs.

SaintFanInATLHELL 04-29-2021 04:17 PM

Re: I hope we don't trade up.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 919048)
Bravo! And many have said as much before. You don’t throw for 5,000 yards and 33 TDs if you aren’t a “starting QB” , I don’t care if it came with 30 INTs.

It's a lot easier to teach someone how not to lose a game than to win one. Winston can be coached to throw the ball away, or take a sack, or to simply dump off to the outlet. In Tampa due to poor scheme and poor line, he had to play hero ball all the time.

SFIAH

TheOak 04-29-2021 04:26 PM

Re: I hope we don't trade up.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 919037)
And if the QB whisperer, Payton, agrees with me and knows there is no franchise worthy QB in the 2021 draft after Lawrence, and maybe Wilson?

And how many QB's drafted after let's say the 2nd round have turned out to be "franchise" quality in the history of the NFL? Not many. Most drafted in the first round do not end up being "franchise" quality.

You are drifting Guido, that is a lot of ifs and I have been replying under the premise of the OP which is that he is preparing for something that is higher in the first round.

I'll go along with you though just for fun. If he does "agree with you" can you please get t it on video? :bng:

AsylumGuido 04-29-2021 04:30 PM

Re: I hope we don't trade up.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 919059)
You are drifting Guido, that is a lot of ifs and I have been replying under the premise of the OP which is that he is preparing for something that is higher in the first round.

I'll go along with you though just for fun. If he does "agree with you" can you please get t it on video? :bng:

I am absolutely hoping he is planning on something higher in the first round. And I hope like hell it isn't a QB. Then again, I would be shocked if it was. I'll record it when he says it, though, if you wish.

:D

jeanpierre 04-29-2021 04:34 PM

Re: I hope we don't trade up.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 919026)
As he should. Payton has been right the vast majority of his tenure with the Saints.

No he hasn't - as you've aptly pointed out re: the draft is not an exact science; and he's barely been 50% on the free agent signings...

An objective person would see this...

AsylumGuido 04-29-2021 04:38 PM

Re: I hope we don't trade up.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 919062)
No he hasn't - as you've aptly pointed out re: the draft is not an exact science; and he's barely been 50% on the free agent signings...

An objective person would see this...

https://media3.giphy.com/media/10jXA...giphy.gif&ct=g

jeanpierre 04-29-2021 05:04 PM

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RaginCajun83 04-29-2021 05:09 PM

Re: I hope we don't trade up.
 
Put me down for trading up for Justin Fields


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