I hope we don't trade up.

TheOak · 04-29-2021, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Firstly, I honesty feel that Payton knows we do not have two QB's. I believe he knows full well who the starter is and that that person is Winston. Don't forget, Winston was the first overall pick in the draft, as will be Trevor Lawrence. After Lawrence there is a major drop off to QB #2 (which appears to be Wilson) which will supposedly go #2 overall. After that there is a huge drop in potential. I feel Winston is easily better than anyone after Lawrence or Wilson. If the Saints feel the same there is no reason to target a QB given those two are out of reach.

Do I think Winston is the next Drew Brees? No. I don't think the next Drew Brees is even in the draft this year. Hell, it may be ten years, or more, before we see another. And don't forget, we didn't draft our last Drew Brees.

Who is the QB (or QB's) in this draft that you are confident will be better than Jameis Winston?

The catch there brother is that when Drew Brees was in the draft, no one thought he would be Drew Brees either. Payton has an eye for QBs, I do believe he also had some words of influence getting Romo drafted in Dallas.

I promise you that Hill will go down a few games and that leaves us with Teddy and no back up. Winston only has 3 of 5 16 game seasons in Tampa so when he goes down Hill is all we have. Again, go all in and put you next franchise QB in a position to be there when you absolutely need him. Kind of like that 7th rounder.. what was his name... Tom Brady? I know Brady was a seventh rounder but if Payton is doing diligence to move up I trust that he has a very good reason.

turbo_dog · 04-29-2021, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

The game of football is Quarterback driven and we do not have one, and if you want to change the outcome of our games/seasons you need a game changer. Our game changer is gone.

The "experts" have changed Mac Jones from possible late first rounder to now a possible top 3 in the past two weeks.

One guy I don't hear anyone mentioning is Kyle Trask from Florida. This guy has all the tools to be an NFL QB. I wouldn't be surprised if a few teams have their eye on hime and are so quiet because they hope others aren't paying attention. Maybe it's our team?

gosaints1 · 04-29-2021, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Unless we are finding the next Patrick Maholmes etc, I hope we do not trade up.

There is an unfortunate narrative that we may:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...n-first-round/

...Patience is a virtue and nobody except a QB is worth trading up, as we see with the Falcons trying to pawn off Julio now while never getting a ring.

Most recently...,

McCoy was a successful draft day trade,
CJGJ was a successful draft day trade,
Kamara was a successful draft day trade (quite the understatement here, lol),

The jury is still out on both Trautman and Baun, who were draft day trades, but I’m excited, and hopeful that BOTH will see significant playing/starting time.

Davenport..., not so much. I liked the idea of going to get our guy, but so far it truly hasn’t been worth one first, much less two. I can separate the process from the player though, which is why I liked the move, at the time, but can say unequivocally that it just hasn’t worked out.

Regardless, as another poster recently quipped, let’s move up to go get our guy if necessary, but let’s not do it at the expense of future #1’s.

Sainters7 · 04-29-2021, 12:29 PM

It's hard to re-watch the draft clip of when Saints made that trade, as most of the analysts assumed it was for Lamar Jackson...that stings a bit in hindsight, given Davenport's oft-injured, inconsistent play, while Lamar's on the cover of the latest Madden.

And rumours are Saints are trying to move into the top 10, because they're reportedly high on Oregon Ducks OT Penei Sewell. Like Mickey/Sean are just punking us by letting rumours slip that they're going OL again, right?

papz · 04-29-2021, 12:30 PM

With the amount of capital it will cost to move up into the top 10(if that's where we want to be), it has to be a franchise player you build around... not with. I can't get behind that any other position other than quarterback if we're going to make that high of a jump from where we're at.

If the Saints swing and miss here, it will be crippling to our franchise and a lot of people are going to lose their job. This will be a big, BIG decision here. I'm more in favor to a small move up or staying put.

jeanpierre · 04-29-2021, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by papz

With the amount of capital it will cost to move up into the top 10(if that's where we want to be), it has to be a franchise player you build around... not with. I can't get behind that any other position other than quarterback if we're going to make that high of a jump from where we're at.

If the Saints swing and miss here, it will be crippling to our franchise and a lot of people are going to lose their job. This will be a big, BIG decision here. I'm more in favor to a small move up or staying put.

Sean Payton has Don Shula-type tenure for life, but I absolutely agree with you on the rest of this...

neugey · 04-29-2021, 01:25 PM

It'd be nice if we could trade down, given that the difference between the pick #28 and the first 15 picks in the second round is almost negligible because of this draft's depth. But other teams know this too. I'm not sure that I'd like to see the Saints trade up, but if the 28th pick is feeling kind of meh, I understand their thinking.

LivnaLieTimay · 04-29-2021, 01:43 PM

I don’t like trading up unless it is for a QB or you are one player away from being a major Super Bowl contender and you move up to fill that one need. If the reports are true that this trade up is for a non-QB than I’m not a big fan because we are more than one player away from being a top contender.

AsylumGuido · 04-29-2021, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by LivnaLieTimay

I don’t like trading up unless it is for a QB or you are one player away from being a major Super Bowl contender and you move up to fill that one need. If the reports are true that this trade up is for a non-QB than I’m not a big fan because we are more than one player away from being a top contender.

Trading up increases your chances of getting an impact player. There's a reason later picks are later. It's because statistically speaking they garner a less successful player. Of course, not in every case, but statistically, yes.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 04-29-2021, 02:47 PM

Wow! You are all over the place and it's almost all wrong.

1. Romo wasn't drafted. He was a college free agent.
2. Brady was drafted in the 6th round, not the 7th.
3. What does Teddy have to do with any of this? Hint: Teddy just got traded to the Broncos.
4. Franchise QBs don't just fall off trees in any round, including the first. There are exactly 0 QBs drafted between 2011 and 2016 (including Winston) that remain with the team that drafted them.

Frankly, I'm disgusted at your dismissiveness of Winston as a franchise QB. Winston has more TDs and only 2 less wins than Brees did when he arrived here in 2006. One was lauded as the savior of the franchise, which he turned out to be. The other dismissed as a massive failure. Makes no sense to me.

Winston may not be a HOF QB like Brees or Brady. But I think it's dumb to dismiss as a potential franchise a QB that has pulled off game winning drives and 4th quarter comebacks. A QB that threw for 5000+ yards and 33 TDs in his last full season. Let's not forget that Tampa was a mess 12 games into last season until Brady essentially took the reigns as GM and offensive coordinator and turned the ship around. But he brought 20 years of championship experience and the best coaching in the league into that mix. Jameis up until now has been mired in a mess of changing coaches and schemes with no rhyme or reason.

But he has CSP and Loomis now. An experienced championship team that knows what they are doing and puts QBs into the best position to win.

I advise stop running around with your hair on fire, let CSP, Loomis, and Ireland do what they do in the draft, and look forward to a different, but hopefully excellent Postbreesian (tm to Guido) era of Saints football.

SFIAH

04-29-2021, 02:18 PM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: I hope we don't trade up. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Firstly, I honesty feel that Payton knows we do not have two QB's. I believe he knows full well who the starter is and that that person is Winston. Don't forget, Winston was the first overall pick in the draft, as will be Trevor Lawrence. After Lawrence there is a major drop off to QB #2 (which appears to be Wilson) which will supposedly go #2 overall. After that there is a huge drop in potential. I feel Winston is easily better than anyone after Lawrence or Wilson. If the Saints feel the same there is no reason to target a QB given those two are out of reach. Do I think Winston is the next Drew Brees? No. I don't think the next Drew Brees is even in the draft this year. Hell, it may be ten years, or more, before we see another. And don't forget, we didn't draft our last Drew Brees. Who is the QB (or QB's) in this draft that you are confident will be better than Jameis Winston? The catch there brother is that when Drew Brees was in the draft, no one thought he would be Drew Brees either. Payton has an eye for QBs, I do believe he also had some words of influence getting Romo drafted in Dallas. I promise you that Hill will go down a few games and that leaves us with Teddy and no back up. Winston only has 3 of 5 16 game seasons in Tampa so when he goes down Hill is all we have. Again, go all in and put you next franchise QB in a position to be there when you absolutely need him. Kind of like that 7th rounder.. what was his name... Tom Brady? I know Brady was a seventh rounder but if Payton is doing diligence to move up I trust that he has a very good reason. gosaints1 likes this.
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04-29-2021, 12:11 PM	#3
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: I hope we don't trade up. Originally Posted by BakoSaint Unless we are finding the next Patrick Maholmes etc, I hope we do not trade up. There is an unfortunate narrative that we may: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...n-first-round/ ...Patience is a virtue and nobody except a QB is worth trading up, as we see with the Falcons trying to pawn off Julio now while never getting a ring. Most recently..., McCoy was a successful draft day trade, CJGJ was a successful draft day trade, Kamara was a successful draft day trade (quite the understatement here, lol), The jury is still out on both Trautman and Baun, who were draft day trades, but I’m excited, and hopeful that BOTH will see significant playing/starting time. Davenport..., not so much. I liked the idea of going to get our guy, but so far it truly hasn’t been worth one first, much less two. I can separate the process from the player though, which is why I liked the move, at the time, but can say unequivocally that it just hasn’t worked out. Regardless, as another poster recently quipped, let’s move up to go get our guy if necessary, but let’s not do it at the expense of future #1’s. iceshack149, SaintGnome and Boston Saint like this.
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04-29-2021, 12:29 PM	#4
Sainters7 Registered Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 48	Re: I hope we don't trade up. It's hard to re-watch the draft clip of when Saints made that trade, as most of the analysts assumed it was for Lamar Jackson...that stings a bit in hindsight, given Davenport's oft-injured, inconsistent play, while Lamar's on the cover of the latest Madden. And rumours are Saints are trying to move into the top 10, because they're reportedly high on Oregon Ducks OT Penei Sewell. Like Mickey/Sean are just punking us by letting rumours slip that they're going OL again, right?
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04-29-2021, 12:30 PM	#5
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Re: I hope we don't trade up. With the amount of capital it will cost to move up into the top 10(if that's where we want to be), it has to be a franchise player you build around... not with. I can't get behind that any other position other than quarterback if we're going to make that high of a jump from where we're at. If the Saints swing and miss here, it will be crippling to our franchise and a lot of people are going to lose their job. This will be a big, BIG decision here. I'm more in favor to a small move up or staying put. MatthewT, jeanpierre and gosaints1 like this.
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04-29-2021, 12:51 PM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: I hope we don't trade up. Originally Posted by papz With the amount of capital it will cost to move up into the top 10(if that's where we want to be), it has to be a franchise player you build around... not with. I can't get behind that any other position other than quarterback if we're going to make that high of a jump from where we're at. If the Saints swing and miss here, it will be crippling to our franchise and a lot of people are going to lose their job. This will be a big, BIG decision here. I'm more in favor to a small move up or staying put. Sean Payton has Don Shula-type tenure for life, but I absolutely agree with you on the rest of this...

04-29-2021, 12:43 PM	#2
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,703	Re: I hope we don't trade up. Originally Posted by TheOak The game of football is Quarterback driven and we do not have one, and if you want to change the outcome of our games/seasons you need a game changer. Our game changer is gone. The "experts" have changed Mac Jones from possible late first rounder to now a possible top 3 in the past two weeks. One guy I don't hear anyone mentioning is Kyle Trask from Florida. This guy has all the tools to be an NFL QB. I wouldn't be surprised if a few teams have their eye on hime and are so quiet because they hope others aren't paying attention. Maybe it's our team?

04-29-2021, 01:25 PM	#7
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,857 Blog Entries: 13	Re: I hope we don't trade up. It'd be nice if we could trade down, given that the difference between the pick #28 and the first 15 picks in the second round is almost negligible because of this draft's depth. But other teams know this too. I'm not sure that I'd like to see the Saints trade up, but if the 28th pick is feeling kind of meh, I understand their thinking. jeanpierre likes this.

04-29-2021, 01:43 PM	#8
LivnaLieTimay 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York Posts: 1,499	Re: I hope we don't trade up. I don’t like trading up unless it is for a QB or you are one player away from being a major Super Bowl contender and you move up to fill that one need. If the reports are true that this trade up is for a non-QB than I’m not a big fan because we are more than one player away from being a top contender.

04-29-2021, 01:50 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: I hope we don't trade up. Originally Posted by LivnaLieTimay I don’t like trading up unless it is for a QB or you are one player away from being a major Super Bowl contender and you move up to fill that one need. If the reports are true that this trade up is for a non-QB than I’m not a big fan because we are more than one player away from being a top contender. Trading up increases your chances of getting an impact player. There's a reason later picks are later. It's because statistically speaking they garner a less successful player. Of course, not in every case, but statistically, yes.

04-29-2021, 02:47 PM	#10
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: I hope we don't trade up. Wow! You are all over the place and it's almost all wrong. 1. Romo wasn't drafted. He was a college free agent. 2. Brady was drafted in the 6th round, not the 7th. 3. What does Teddy have to do with any of this? Hint: Teddy just got traded to the Broncos. 4. Franchise QBs don't just fall off trees in any round, including the first. There are exactly 0 QBs drafted between 2011 and 2016 (including Winston) that remain with the team that drafted them. Frankly, I'm disgusted at your dismissiveness of Winston as a franchise QB. Winston has more TDs and only 2 less wins than Brees did when he arrived here in 2006. One was lauded as the savior of the franchise, which he turned out to be. The other dismissed as a massive failure. Makes no sense to me. Winston may not be a HOF QB like Brees or Brady. But I think it's dumb to dismiss as a potential franchise a QB that has pulled off game winning drives and 4th quarter comebacks. A QB that threw for 5000+ yards and 33 TDs in his last full season. Let's not forget that Tampa was a mess 12 games into last season until Brady essentially took the reigns as GM and offensive coordinator and turned the ship around. But he brought 20 years of championship experience and the best coaching in the league into that mix. Jameis up until now has been mired in a mess of changing coaches and schemes with no rhyme or reason. But he has CSP and Loomis now. An experienced championship team that knows what they are doing and puts QBs into the best position to win. I advise stop running around with your hair on fire, let CSP, Loomis, and Ireland do what they do in the draft, and look forward to a different, but hopefully excellent Postbreesian (tm to Guido) era of Saints football. SFIAH AsylumGuido, Lord_Saint83 and Boston Saint like this.
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