2021 NFL MVP dark horses: Don't sleep on Justin Herbert, Carson Wentz, Jameis Winston

The Dude · 05-21-2021, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

We shall see.

AK, Latavius and newly signed FB Armah … running the football is always a good option.

One would think.....

AsylumGuido · 05-22-2021, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

One would think.....

In Payton's offensive scheme it all depends upon what the defense dictates. Most plays have always had a run or pass option based upon what the defense shows. If the defense shows a hedge toward the run 20 plays in a row they'll end upon passing the ball on almost all of those plays. On the other hand, if the defense plays heavy coverage we see a heavy dose of the run. I know some do not agree with this scheme, but it has produced arguably the best offense in the league over the past decade and a half.

Perhaps without Brees under center there will be less audibling out of the initial call. I guess we'll see.

ChrisXVI · 05-21-2021, 06:22 PM

Drew never won it, Jameis ain’t winning it.

AsylumGuido · 05-21-2021, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Drew never won it, Jameis ain’t winning it.

The irony is that Winston may win it when Brees never did.

Boston Saint · 05-21-2021, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The irony is that Winston may win it when Brees never did.

I’d settle for Comeback Player of the Year!

BakoSaint · 05-22-2021, 01:04 AM

Winston has one legit receiver to target. Kamara is the #2 receiver. And Michael Thomas limped all year so back to 100% is not guaranteed. I doubt Maholmes could win MVP with what Hill or Winston will be working with. Maybe Tua and Burrow are dark horses. They got new weapons. Winston lost weapons. Maybe Tua was shaking off the rust, maybe Burrow will grow in Year 2.

AsylumGuido · 05-22-2021, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Winston has one legit receiver to target. Kamara is the #2 receiver. And Michael Thomas limped all year so back to 100% is not guaranteed. I doubt Maholmes could win MVP with what Hill or Winston will be working with. Maybe Tua and Burrow are dark horses. They got new weapons. Winston lost weapons. Maybe Tua was shaking off the rust, maybe Burrow will grow in Year 2.

I don't think you are giving enough credit to Calloway and the others.

st thomas · 05-22-2021, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I don't think you are giving enough credit to Calloway and the others.

That’s what I’m thinking we had some pretty impressive guys that stood up when we were limping. Well till they started limping also.

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Rugby Saint II · 05-22-2021, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by st thomas

That’s what I’m thinking we had some pretty impressive guys that stood up when we were limping. Well till they started limping also.

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I totally agree st thomas. Callaway was impressive when I saw him out there catching every thing thrown his way. I think he had 19 out of 20 catches to targets last year in phenomenal rookie play considering there was no offseason for the rookie. He looks fluid and blocks well. He'll get a lot of targets this year. Tre Quan has the talent but I don't think that he can get enough separation need for a less accurate QB than Drew. If Smith couldn't make catches with Drew then he's not likely to do better with a QB who is not known for his accuracy. Johnson looked good and is the right fit for the Saints.

On the other hand they may have developed some chemistry running with the two's last year. We have talent and we drafted a speedster to open the field. We'll see how it develops.

st thomas · 05-22-2021, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I totally agree st thomas. Callaway was impressive when I saw him out there catching every thing thrown his way. I think he had 19 out of 20 catches to targets last year in phenomenal rookie play considering there was no offseason for the rookie. He looks fluid and blocks well. He'll get a lot of targets this year. Tre Quan has the talent but I don't think that he can get enough separation need for a less accurate QB than Drew. If Smith couldn't make catches with Drew then he's not likely to do better with a QB who is not known for his accuracy. Johnson looked good and is the right fit for the Saints.

On the other hand they may have developed some chemistry running with the two's last year. We have talent and we drafted a speedster to open the field. We'll see how it develops.

Well said

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05-21-2021, 09:49 PM	#1
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: 2021 NFL MVP dark horses: Don't sleep on Justin Herbert, Carson Wentz, Jameis Winston Originally Posted by K Major We shall see. AK, Latavius and newly signed FB Armah … running the football is always a good option. One would think.....
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: 2021 NFL MVP dark horses: Don't sleep on Justin Herbert, Carson Wentz, Jameis Winston Originally Posted by The Dude One would think..... In Payton's offensive scheme it all depends upon what the defense dictates. Most plays have always had a run or pass option based upon what the defense shows. If the defense shows a hedge toward the run 20 plays in a row they'll end upon passing the ball on almost all of those plays. On the other hand, if the defense plays heavy coverage we see a heavy dose of the run. I know some do not agree with this scheme, but it has produced arguably the best offense in the league over the past decade and a half. Perhaps without Brees under center there will be less audibling out of the initial call. I guess we'll see.
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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2021 NFL MVP dark horses: Don't sleep on Justin Herbert, Carson Wentz, Jameis Winston Drew never won it, Jameis ain’t winning it.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: 2021 NFL MVP dark horses: Don't sleep on Justin Herbert, Carson Wentz, Jameis Winston Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Drew never won it, Jameis ain’t winning it. The irony is that Winston may win it when Brees never did. leilung likes this.

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Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: 2021 NFL MVP dark horses: Don't sleep on Justin Herbert, Carson Wentz, Jameis Winston Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The irony is that Winston may win it when Brees never did. I’d settle for Comeback Player of the Year! st thomas likes this.

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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,390	Re: 2021 NFL MVP dark horses: Don't sleep on Justin Herbert, Carson Wentz, Jameis Winston Winston has one legit receiver to target. Kamara is the #2 receiver. And Michael Thomas limped all year so back to 100% is not guaranteed. I doubt Maholmes could win MVP with what Hill or Winston will be working with. Maybe Tua and Burrow are dark horses. They got new weapons. Winston lost weapons. Maybe Tua was shaking off the rust, maybe Burrow will grow in Year 2.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: 2021 NFL MVP dark horses: Don't sleep on Justin Herbert, Carson Wentz, Jameis Winston Originally Posted by BakoSaint Winston has one legit receiver to target. Kamara is the #2 receiver. And Michael Thomas limped all year so back to 100% is not guaranteed. I doubt Maholmes could win MVP with what Hill or Winston will be working with. Maybe Tua and Burrow are dark horses. They got new weapons. Winston lost weapons. Maybe Tua was shaking off the rust, maybe Burrow will grow in Year 2. I don't think you are giving enough credit to Calloway and the others. st thomas and SaintGnome like this.

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st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: 2021 NFL MVP dark horses: Don't sleep on Justin Herbert, Carson Wentz, Jameis Winston Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I don't think you are giving enough credit to Calloway and the others. That’s what I’m thinking we had some pretty impressive guys that stood up when we were limping. Well till they started limping also. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,153	Re: 2021 NFL MVP dark horses: Don't sleep on Justin Herbert, Carson Wentz, Jameis Winston Originally Posted by st thomas That’s what I’m thinking we had some pretty impressive guys that stood up when we were limping. Well till they started limping also. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I totally agree st thomas. Callaway was impressive when I saw him out there catching every thing thrown his way. I think he had 19 out of 20 catches to targets last year in phenomenal rookie play considering there was no offseason for the rookie. He looks fluid and blocks well. He'll get a lot of targets this year. Tre Quan has the talent but I don't think that he can get enough separation need for a less accurate QB than Drew. If Smith couldn't make catches with Drew then he's not likely to do better with a QB who is not known for his accuracy. Johnson looked good and is the right fit for the Saints. On the other hand they may have developed some chemistry running with the two's last year. We have talent and we drafted a speedster to open the field. We'll see how it develops. st thomas likes this.
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st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: 2021 NFL MVP dark horses: Don't sleep on Justin Herbert, Carson Wentz, Jameis Winston Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I totally agree st thomas. Callaway was impressive when I saw him out there catching every thing thrown his way. I think he had 19 out of 20 catches to targets last year in phenomenal rookie play considering there was no offseason for the rookie. He looks fluid and blocks well. He'll get a lot of targets this year. Tre Quan has the talent but I don't think that he can get enough separation need for a less accurate QB than Drew. If Smith couldn't make catches with Drew then he's not likely to do better with a QB who is not known for his accuracy. Johnson looked good and is the right fit for the Saints. On the other hand they may have developed some chemistry running with the two's last year. We have talent and we drafted a speedster to open the field. We'll see how it develops. Well said Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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