Zach Strief: Erik McCoy is on his way to becoming one of NFL’s top centers

Boston Saint · 05-27-2021, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

It’s a fair point, and one I understand, but see differently..., and ‘Pass opening up the run’? I doubt that. 31 other NFL teams knew that all they had to do was squat inside 20 yards bc as even the future first ballot Hall of Fame QB recently stated when going through his progressions:

1) “I can’t make that throw”

2) “I can’t make that throw”

3) “I can’t make that throw”

4) “I KNOW I can’t make that throw”

As our greatest QB aged, he no longer was able to make the throws needed, either bc of year long injuries or simply aging. The last few years, the pass most definitely did not open up the run. The running game was good for three reasons.

1) Alvin Kamara

2) Latavius Murray

3) An effective run blocking Offensive Line.

Brees getting the ball out quickly almost always meant a dump out in the flat to Kamara, or an out route inside ten yards..., and the entire league knew it. Sometimes it amazes me at the amount of success the Saints have had, in spite of Mr. Brees recently. Not meaning to disparage him, truly I’m not, but he was done. We saw it clearly the last year. But it’s my belief it’s been snowballing for several years now.

I don’t buy it. Brees would still be a top 10 QB if in the league. His Y/A the last 2 seasons did not go drastically down as he had lower numbers earlier in his career. He had crap production from his WRs the last two years outside of Thomas; and Cook was an untrustworthy TO machine who cost them a playoff loss with a fumble and a tipped pass that turned into a Int. His dump-offs to Kamara were the result of him being the better receiving option over under-producing and injured receivers. If “31 other NFL teams knew that all they had to do was squat inside 20 yards“ the team would not have been 17-6 under him the last two years, would not have won their opening round playoff games the last two years and won the division (beating Tampa twice last year) multiple times consecutively. They would not have been a top 5 scoring team last year. Maybe he couldn’t make those throws because there was no window to throw into due to poor WR separation.

Tampa had a damn good D down the stretch run. They forced 2 playoff Ints from Mahomes and 1 from Rodgers (he only threw 5 ALL SEASON). Were those INTs the result of Mahomes and Rodgers weak arms too? Of course not. Brees may have lost some velocity, but no way was he the noodle armed washed-up player you are portraying.

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Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Zach Strief: Erik McCoy is on his way to becoming one of NFL’s top centers Originally Posted by gosaints1 It’s a fair point, and one I understand, but see differently..., and ‘Pass opening up the run’? I doubt that. 31 other NFL teams knew that all they had to do was squat inside 20 yards bc as even the future first ballot Hall of Fame QB recently stated when going through his progressions: 1) “I can’t make that throw” 2) “I can’t make that throw” 3) “I can’t make that throw” 4) “I KNOW I can’t make that throw” As our greatest QB aged, he no longer was able to make the throws needed, either bc of year long injuries or simply aging. The last few years, the pass most definitely did not open up the run. The running game was good for three reasons. 1) Alvin Kamara 2) Latavius Murray 3) An effective run blocking Offensive Line. Brees getting the ball out quickly almost always meant a dump out in the flat to Kamara, or an out route inside ten yards..., and the entire league knew it. Sometimes it amazes me at the amount of success the Saints have had, in spite of Mr. Brees recently. Not meaning to disparage him, truly I’m not, but he was done. We saw it clearly the last year. But it’s my belief it’s been snowballing for several years now. I don’t buy it. Brees would still be a top 10 QB if in the league. His Y/A the last 2 seasons did not go drastically down as he had lower numbers earlier in his career. He had crap production from his WRs the last two years outside of Thomas; and Cook was an untrustworthy TO machine who cost them a playoff loss with a fumble and a tipped pass that turned into a Int. His dump-offs to Kamara were the result of him being the better receiving option over under-producing and injured receivers. If “31 other NFL teams knew that all they had to do was squat inside 20 yards“ the team would not have been 17-6 under him the last two years, would not have won their opening round playoff games the last two years and won the division (beating Tampa twice last year) multiple times consecutively. They would not have been a top 5 scoring team last year. Maybe he couldn’t make those throws because there was no window to throw into due to poor WR separation. Tampa had a damn good D down the stretch run. They forced 2 playoff Ints from Mahomes and 1 from Rodgers (he only threw 5 ALL SEASON). Were those INTs the result of Mahomes and Rodgers weak arms too? Of course not. Brees may have lost some velocity, but no way was he the noodle armed washed-up player you are portraying.
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