Possibly so about the race issue Oak. It’s not my normal go-to angle. However, players have been mentioning it for years, and the league has recognized its existence and has implemented a program to help black coaches in the league by rewarding those teams that help them get coaching jobs. It’s kinda hard to say it doesn’t exist AT ALL. When people say a 5,000 yard 33 TD passer who has lead a historically struggling team to a 9-7 record has no chance against a guy with 4 starts to his resume, you start scratching your head and trying to figure out where they are coming from.

Matters of racial bias and prejudice will forever be difficult to substantiate... ...I can’t pretend that those sentiments don’t cross my mind when I hear people attempt to make a case for Hill over Winston, but trust me when I say, it’s not worth the headache. I’m with you. Winston is the younger, QB. He’s the more talented QB. He’s the more proven QB. He’s the QB that was compared to Peyton Manning when it came to X’s and O’s. He had maturity issues, but Hill has injury issues. He’s a faster version of Tim Tebow. I like him a lot, but there’s no scenario I can envision where Taysom Hill beats out Winston in an open competition.

Come on Rez, just because someone may have a different opinion than you or I shouldn’t automatically result in race being applied. I have been on record for saying that Winston is the better QB while Taysom is a gadget guy. But I definitely can see a scenario where Taysom could beat out Winston..., and it revolves around a QB who has 88 career int’s over 70 games as a starter. And has absolutely nothing to do with his race or even if I like/dislike the guy.

Turning the ball over as a QB will eliminate your team from postseason play almost always. Taysom has a tendency to turn the ball over also, but he just doesn’t have the stats over time that Jameis has. When I hear “We know what Jameis is”, it’s an argument I don’t agree with, but understand. I keep in mind that Tampa performance won’t necessarily result in NoLa performance though. But I’ve always been a believer in the best predictor for future behavior/performance is past behavior/performance.

Bottom line Jameis’ career stats are a double edged sword. They’re his strongest advocate..., and also his greatest detractor.

Bottom line Jameis’ career stats are a double edged sword. They’re his strongest advocate..., and also his greatest detractor.

Pardon me for jumping in go, but they simply are not the double edge sword you are making them out to be. As demonstrated before there have been multiple
seasons for quarterbacks that made the Hall of Fame that had worse touchdown to interception ratio’s in a season than Winston; including a year when Brett Favre through 29 interceptions to only 20 touchdowns. Yet no one wrote Brett Favre off after that year. It’s simply a misnomer that his stats are that bad. Why did Favre, Elway, Manning and others get passes for seasons with negative 5, 6 or more Ints to TD seasons and Winston is branded for his career for a season he threw for 5,000 and had a +3 TD number? Answer me that simple question please ! Anyone!

Pardon me for jumping in go, but they simply are not the double edge sword you are making them out to be. As demonstrated before there have been multiple
seasons for quarterbacks that made the Hall of Fame that had worse touchdown to interception ratio’s in a season than Winston; including a year when Brett Favre through 29 interceptions to only 20 touchdowns. Yet no one wrote Brett Favre off after that year. It’s simply a misnomer that his stats are that bad. Why did Favre, Elway, Manning and others get passes for seasons with negative 5, 6 or more Ints to TD seasons and Winston is branded for his career for a season he threw for 5,000 and had a +3 TD number? Answer me that simple question please ! Anyone!

Who is giving him a pass? If those QB’s were on the Saints rosters after having horrible seasons wrt interceptions, I would be making the EXACT same argument that I am now. Those QB’s are all retired though, their stats and careers are history..., aka the past. What we’re discussing is the future. And anybody who says I don’t trust Winston to not throw a crapton of int’s has a legitimate point.

Winston could be the best thing in a Saints uni since crunchy peanut butter was introduced to the consumer market, lol. Entirely possible, entirely possible the opposite will happen. It’s not fair to compare already finished and completed careers to one that is in process. We, at least I, just don’t know the future. You know my arguments, lol, I’ve been very critical of Drew Brees this past year, and was called a “hater” many times, just for my criticism of his arm strength and ability to push the ball vertically. First ballot HOFer or not, the guy I want starting at QB is not the guy who says:

“I can’t make that throw,
I can’t make that throw,
I know I can’t make that throw,
I can’t make that throw...,
What do I have left in my toolbox”

I’m excited about the future, Hill, Winston..., or heck, maybe even Ian Book, or someone else!

May the best player get the start, stay healthy, and lead the Saints to many championships!!!

As far as Winston’s stats go? 88 int’s in 70 starts. That’s more than one int every game he’s started. Bad? That’s subjective. Me? I’m not ok with turning the ball over that much. You may evaluate turnovers differently though.

Who is giving him a pass? If those QB’s were on the Saints rosters after having horrible seasons wrt interceptions, I would be making the EXACT same argument that I am now. Those QB’s are all retired though, their stats and careers are history..., aka the past. What we’re discussing is the future. And anybody who says I don’t trust Winston to not throw a crapton of int’s has a legitimate point.

Winston could be the best thing in a Saints uni since crunchy peanut butter was introduced to the consumer market, lol. Entirely possible, entirely possible the opposite will happen. It’s not fair to compare already finished and completed careers to one that is in process. We, at least I, just don’t know the future. You know my arguments, lol, I’ve been very critical of Drew Brees this past year, and was called a “hater” many times, just for my criticism of his arm strength and ability to push the ball vertically. First ballot HOFer or not, the guy I want starting at QB is not the guy who says:

“I can’t make that throw,
I can’t make that throw,
I know I can’t make that throw,
I can’t make that throw...,
What do I have left in my toolbox”

I’m excited about the future, Hill, Winston..., or heck, maybe even Ian Book, or someone else!

May the best player get the start, stay healthy, and lead the Saints to many championships!!!

As far as Winston’s stats go? 88 int’s in 70 starts. That’s more than one int every game he’s started. Bad? That’s subjective. Me? I’m not ok with turning the ball over that much. You may evaluate turnovers differently though.

Who is giving him a pass? If those QB’s were on the Saints rosters after having horrible seasons wrt interceptions, I would be making the EXACT same argument that I am now. Those QB’s are all retired though, their stats and careers are history..., aka the past. What we’re discussing is the future. And anybody who says I don’t trust Winston to not throw a crapton of int’s has a legitimate point.

Winston could be the best thing in a Saints uni since crunchy peanut butter was introduced to the consumer market, lol. Entirely possible, entirely possible the opposite will happen. It’s not fair to compare already finished and completed careers to one that is in process. We, at least I, just don’t know the future. You know my arguments, lol, I’ve been very critical of Drew Brees this past year, and was called a “hater” many times, just for my criticism of his arm strength and ability to push the ball vertically. First ballot HOFer or not, the guy I want starting at QB is not the guy who says:

“I can’t make that throw,
I can’t make that throw,
I know I can’t make that throw,
I can’t make that throw...,
What do I have left in my toolbox”

I’m excited about the future, Hill, Winston..., or heck, maybe even Ian Book, or someone else!

May the best player get the start, stay healthy, and lead the Saints to many championships!!!

As far as Winston’s stats go? 88 int’s in 70 starts. That’s more than one int every game he’s started. Bad? That’s subjective. Me? I’m not ok with turning the ball over that much. You may evaluate turnovers differently though.

What do you think about 100 interceptions in a QB's first 80 games? How about 251 interceptions in 265 career games? Some guy named Peyton Manning put up those numbers.

Or how about 336 picks in 298 games? Some guy named Brett Favre did that in his career.

"That’s more than one int every game he’s started. Bad? That’s subjective. Me? I’m not ok with turning the ball over that much."

I don't understand why you make arguments out of bits and pieces of people's discussions. It's misleading. Politicians and media members do that and it's abhorrent.