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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by jeanpierre So what percentage of influence would place on the outcome of victory based on QB play? Because this discussion is about to get real interesting in seven months where no less than four other teams just ...

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Old 06-28-2021, 06:48 AM   #1
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Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints

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So what percentage of influence would place on the outcome of victory based on QB play?

Because this discussion is about to get real interesting in seven months where no less than four other teams just changed their starting QBs...

Tom Brady's experience and poise was absolutely the difference in TB getting to and winning the SuperBowl; yes, a great defense was also necessary...

Something Sean Payton took years to figure out, accept after winning only one Superbowl and getting rid of the only competent D-coordinator he had at that point...
It’s a fair point, and one that can’t be quantitatively proven…, nor disproven. Yes, the ‘street cred’ that Tom Terrific brings is an instant “influence” to a team…, but let’s look back at TB’s run:

1) Wild Card, Washington was a bad team, a very, very, very bad team.

2) Divisional, Saints turned the ball over four times, all Tom Terrific did was not screw up the advantages the defense gave him.

3) Conference championship, Didn’t Brady toss three interceptions in that game? He was fortunate Bowle’s defense offset those three with two turnovers of their own.

4) Super Bowl? lol, That game was decided by an immobile Mahomes, due to his injuries. Mahomes is KC…, they won’t go anywhere without him being healthy. Not all teams are that QB dependent though. Heck, the Saints just went 8-1 sans our future first ballot HOF’er. With very average QB play in DB#9’s absences, iyam.

Saints are a good team, even without Drew Brees. My bias for younger players is obvious though, and it applies to Tom Brady, equally as much as it did to Mr Brees these past few years. After looking back and pouring over the possessions and stats for the TB 2021 playoff games, outside of the Washington game. It’s still my belief that Bowle’s defense was the deciding factor in their championship run.

Differences in how we view things my friend. If Tom Brady were to have gone to a very bad Carolina football team…, would they have won the SB? It’s my belief the answer is no, they wouldn’t have even made the playoffs. I see those intangible qualities that you are seeing also…, and there is substantial value in that leadership quality that TB brought to Tampa. I don’t discount it. It was important to TB’s successes, but Tom Terrific in Carolina…, or Washington, or most other clubs, would have been an abysmal failure, iyam.
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Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints

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It’s a fair point, and one that can’t be quantitatively proven…, nor disproven. Yes, the ‘street cred’ that Tom Terrific brings is an instant “influence” to a team…, but let’s look back at TB’s run:

1) Wild Card, Washington was a bad team, a very, very, very bad team.

2) Divisional, Saints turned the ball over four times, all Tom Terrific did was not screw up the advantages the defense gave him.

3) Conference championship, Didn’t Brady toss three interceptions in that game? He was fortunate Bowle’s defense offset those three with two turnovers of their own.

4) Super Bowl? lol, That game was decided by an immobile Mahomes, due to his injuries. Mahomes is KC…, they won’t go anywhere without him being healthy. Not all teams are that QB dependent though. Heck, the Saints just went 8-1 sans our future first ballot HOF’er. With very average QB play in DB#9’s absences, iyam.

Saints are a good team, even without Drew Brees. My bias for younger players is obvious though, and it applies to Tom Brady, equally as much as it did to Mr Brees these past few years. After looking back and pouring over the possessions and stats for the TB 2021 playoff games, outside of the Washington game. It’s still my belief that Bowle’s defense was the deciding factor in their championship run.

Differences in how we view things my friend. If Tom Brady were to have gone to a very bad Carolina football team…, would they have won the SB? It’s my belief the answer is no, they wouldn’t have even made the playoffs. I see those intangible qualities that you are seeing also…, and there is substantial value in that leadership quality that TB brought to Tampa. I don’t discount it. It was important to TB’s successes, but Tom Terrific in Carolina…, or Washington, or most other clubs, would have been an abysmal failure, iyam.
First season with the team, he's an all-time GOAT, and after a slow start behind a stocked team (Saints) with more time together, Bucs caught up...

No-brainer GM move to sign Brady and move on from the turnover clown; Jameis has a new start, with Sean Payton, we'll see how it plays out...

But to say the Bucs weren't smart going Winston to Brady, and that wasn't the difference, impact to put them over the top, you're just not facing reality...
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Old 06-28-2021, 12:27 PM   #3
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Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints

Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
First season with the team, he's an all-time GOAT, and after a slow start behind a stocked team (Saints) with more time together, Bucs caught up...

No-brainer GM move to sign Brady and move on from the turnover clown; Jameis has a new start, with Sean Payton, we'll see how it plays out...

But to say the Bucs weren't smart going Winston to Brady, and that wasn't the difference, impact to put them over the top, you're just not facing reality...
I hear you, and it’s a legitimate argument, tough to say the GOAT doesn’t have an impact on a new team. It’s just not the same team, nor coaches out in Strip Club Mecca though. Simply put, Tom Terrific doesn’t make it through NoLa without those four turnovers in the divisional round.
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