Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints

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New Orleans Saints quarterback Jameis Winston has been one of the NFL’s most fascinating players for several seasons now. Perhaps, not one of the best, but even the briefest look at his statistics is a fascinating experience.

Unfortunately, we were deprived of the roller coaster ride that is Winston last season, as he sat on the bench for most of Drew Brees’ final campaign. Now he is back with a chance to win a starting role following Brees’ retirement. And the data shows that, with a few minor adjustments, Winston can be a star in New Orleans.

Jameis Winston’s last season in Tampa Bay was truly unique
Back in 2019, Winston had one of the most bizarre seasons in recent memory. He led the NFL with 5,109 passing yards and was second with 33 passing touchdowns while simultaneously throwing 30 interceptions, tied for the seventh-most in a season in NFL history.

I imagine it was frustrating for Buccaneers fans and the Tampa bay organization, but it was incredible to watch from an outside perspective. Interestingly, as bizarre as Winston’s statistics appear on the surface, the advanced metrics are arguably more riveting.

Despite his inconsistent play, Winston’s advanced metrics have always been excellent
It might be difficult to believe, but Winston has been one of the best quarterbacks according to multiple advanced metrics over the last five seasons. To illustrate this, let’s look at the Offensive Value Metric (OVM). The OVM is a grading system created by the (Bx) Movement to evaluate players based on how much they contributed to their offense.

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TheOak · 06-22-2021, 07:49 AM

Interception numbers generally require context. I urge anyone wanting to discuss Winston's 2019 interception numbers to read the article belowis. Part of the reason for the high total Ints is because he threw more passes than anyone else but that doesn't account for the lions share of the INTs.

Do I expect to see similar numbers with the Saints? No, a one season 2x anomaly is usually one that is removed statistically. Remove the high and the low and he averages 15.6 INT per season, roughly 1 per game which is still by any fans standard high and would have led the league in 2020, #2 in 2018, #3 in 2018.

I have noticed that some people have a different reaction to a Drew Brees interception compared to a Jameis Winston interception.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/st...rceptions-2019

SmashMouth · 06-22-2021, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Interception numbers generally require context. I urge anyone wanting to discuss Winston's 2019 interception numbers to read the article belowis. Part of the reason for the high total Ints is because he threw more passes than anyone else but that doesn't account for the lions share of the INTs.

Do I expect to see similar numbers with the Saints? No, a one season 2x anomaly is usually one that is removed statistically. Remove the high and the low and he averages 15.6 INT per season, roughly 1 per game which is still by any fans standard high and would have led the league in 2020, #2 in 2018, #3 in 2018.

I have noticed that some people have a different reaction to a Drew Brees interception compared to a Jameis Winston interception.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/st...rceptions-2019

Here's the 2020 numbers

Fun banter... but we'll have to wait and see after this season to fully appreciate.

vpheughan · 06-22-2021, 09:25 AM

Arians "No risk it No biscuit" offense:

In 2001, with Tim Couch as Arians’ pupil in Cleveland for the first time, Couch threw 17 touchdown passes and 21 interceptions.

In 2013, Carson Palmer joined forces with Arians in Arizona. And Palmer threw 22 interceptions, against 24 touchdown passes.

Peyton Manning had Arians as a quarterbacks coach with the Colts. Manning threw 26 touchdown passes . . . and 28 interceptions. It’s a single-season rookie record that still stands.

Boston Saint · 06-22-2021, 10:51 AM

No comment 🤐

rezburna · 06-22-2021, 10:58 AM

He’s about to shock the world.

AsylumGuido · 06-22-2021, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

He’s about to shock the world.

I am beginning to think the same. I initially wanted Winston solely so we could use Hill to his full potential elsewhere, but now I am becoming convinced he is going to be the superior option regardless of whether Hill touches the field or not.

jnormand · 06-22-2021, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

No comment 🤐

Same.

Boston Saint · 06-22-2021, 11:46 AM

If nothing else, both Hill and Winston are being given an honest shot. It’s time for either one (maybe both) to put up or shut up so to speak. Sure hope it happens!

vpheughan · 06-22-2021, 01:45 PM

Is posting "No Comment" on a forum that requires a typed response a "COMMENT" ?

06-22-2021, 07:05 AM	#1
Threaded by SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 36,987 Blog Entries: 29 Rating: (0 votes - average) New Orleans Saints quarterback Jameis Winston has been one of the NFL’s most fascinating players for several seasons now. Perhaps, not one of the best, but even the briefest look at his statistics is a fascinating experience. Unfortunately, we were deprived of the roller coaster ride that is Winston last season, as he sat on the bench for most of Drew Brees’ final campaign. Now he is back with a chance to win a starting role following Brees’ retirement. And the data shows that, with a few minor adjustments, Winston can be a star in New Orleans. Jameis Winston’s last season in Tampa Bay was truly unique Back in 2019, Winston had one of the most bizarre seasons in recent memory. He led the NFL with 5,109 passing yards and was second with 33 passing touchdowns while simultaneously throwing 30 interceptions, tied for the seventh-most in a season in NFL history. I imagine it was frustrating for Buccaneers fans and the Tampa bay organization, but it was incredible to watch from an outside perspective. Interestingly, as bizarre as Winston’s statistics appear on the surface, the advanced metrics are arguably more riveting. Despite his inconsistent play, Winston’s advanced metrics have always been excellent It might be difficult to believe, but Winston has been one of the best quarterbacks according to multiple advanced metrics over the last five seasons. To illustrate this, let’s look at the Offensive Value Metric (OVM). The OVM is a grading system created by the (Bx) Movement to evaluate players based on how much they contributed to their offense. much more here Attached Thumbnails
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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Interception numbers generally require context. I urge anyone wanting to discuss Winston's 2019 interception numbers to read the article belowis. Part of the reason for the high total Ints is because he threw more passes than anyone else but that doesn't account for the lions share of the INTs. Do I expect to see similar numbers with the Saints? No, a one season 2x anomaly is usually one that is removed statistically. Remove the high and the low and he averages 15.6 INT per season, roughly 1 per game which is still by any fans standard high and would have led the league in 2020, #2 in 2018, #3 in 2018. I have noticed that some people have a different reaction to a Drew Brees interception compared to a Jameis Winston interception. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/st...rceptions-2019 gosaints1 and rezburna like this.
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06-22-2021, 09:25 AM	#4
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,499	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Arians "No risk it No biscuit" offense: In 2001, with Tim Couch as Arians’ pupil in Cleveland for the first time, Couch threw 17 touchdown passes and 21 interceptions. In 2013, Carson Palmer joined forces with Arians in Arizona. And Palmer threw 22 interceptions, against 24 touchdown passes. Peyton Manning had Arians as a quarterbacks coach with the Colts. Manning threw 26 touchdown passes . . . and 28 interceptions. It’s a single-season rookie record that still stands. AsylumGuido, SmashMouth and gosaints1 like this.
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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 36,987 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by TheOak Interception numbers generally require context. I urge anyone wanting to discuss Winston's 2019 interception numbers to read the article belowis. Part of the reason for the high total Ints is because he threw more passes than anyone else but that doesn't account for the lions share of the INTs. Do I expect to see similar numbers with the Saints? No, a one season 2x anomaly is usually one that is removed statistically. Remove the high and the low and he averages 15.6 INT per season, roughly 1 per game which is still by any fans standard high and would have led the league in 2020, #2 in 2018, #3 in 2018. I have noticed that some people have a different reaction to a Drew Brees interception compared to a Jameis Winston interception. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/st...rceptions-2019 Here's the 2020 numbers Fun banter... but we'll have to wait and see after this season to fully appreciate. Thirty3 likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by rezburna He’s about to shock the world. I am beginning to think the same. I initially wanted Winston solely so we could use Hill to his full potential elsewhere, but now I am becoming convinced he is going to be the superior option regardless of whether Hill touches the field or not. RailBoss and rezburna like this.

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jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,530	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by Boston Saint No comment 🤐 Same. SmashMouth likes this.

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Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,869	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints If nothing else, both Hill and Winston are being given an honest shot. It’s time for either one (maybe both) to put up or shut up so to speak. Sure hope it happens! SmashMouth likes this.

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vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,499	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Is posting "No Comment" on a forum that requires a typed response a "COMMENT" ? jnormand, RailBoss, saintsfan1976 and 4 others like this.
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