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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; New Orleans Saints quarterback Jameis Winston has been one of the NFL’s most fascinating players for several seasons now. Perhaps, not one of the best, but even the briefest look at his statistics is a fascinating experience. Unfortunately, we were ...

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Old 06-22-2021, 08:05 AM   #1
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New Orleans Saints quarterback Jameis Winston has been one of the NFL’s most fascinating players for several seasons now. Perhaps, not one of the best, but even the briefest look at his statistics is a fascinating experience.

Unfortunately, we were deprived of the roller coaster ride that is Winston last season, as he sat on the bench for most of Drew Brees’ final campaign. Now he is back with a chance to win a starting role following Brees’ retirement. And the data shows that, with a few minor adjustments, Winston can be a star in New Orleans.



Jameis Winston’s last season in Tampa Bay was truly unique
Back in 2019, Winston had one of the most bizarre seasons in recent memory. He led the NFL with 5,109 passing yards and was second with 33 passing touchdowns while simultaneously throwing 30 interceptions, tied for the seventh-most in a season in NFL history.

I imagine it was frustrating for Buccaneers fans and the Tampa bay organization, but it was incredible to watch from an outside perspective. Interestingly, as bizarre as Winston’s statistics appear on the surface, the advanced metrics are arguably more riveting.

Despite his inconsistent play, Winston’s advanced metrics have always been excellent
It might be difficult to believe, but Winston has been one of the best quarterbacks according to multiple advanced metrics over the last five seasons. To illustrate this, let’s look at the Offensive Value Metric (OVM). The OVM is a grading system created by the (Bx) Movement to evaluate players based on how much they contributed to their offense.

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Old 06-22-2021, 08:49 AM   #2
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Interception numbers generally require context. I urge anyone wanting to discuss Winston's 2019 interception numbers to read the article belowis. Part of the reason for the high total Ints is because he threw more passes than anyone else but that doesn't account for the lions share of the INTs.

Do I expect to see similar numbers with the Saints? No, a one season 2x anomaly is usually one that is removed statistically. Remove the high and the low and he averages 15.6 INT per season, roughly 1 per game which is still by any fans standard high and would have led the league in 2020, #2 in 2018, #3 in 2018.

I have noticed that some people have a different reaction to a Drew Brees interception compared to a Jameis Winston interception.


https://www.footballoutsiders.com/st...rceptions-2019
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Interception numbers generally require context. I urge anyone wanting to discuss Winston's 2019 interception numbers to read the article belowis. Part of the reason for the high total Ints is because he threw more passes than anyone else but that doesn't account for the lions share of the INTs.

Do I expect to see similar numbers with the Saints? No, a one season 2x anomaly is usually one that is removed statistically. Remove the high and the low and he averages 15.6 INT per season, roughly 1 per game which is still by any fans standard high and would have led the league in 2020, #2 in 2018, #3 in 2018.

I have noticed that some people have a different reaction to a Drew Brees interception compared to a Jameis Winston interception.


https://www.footballoutsiders.com/st...rceptions-2019
Here's the 2020 numbers

Fun banter... but we'll have to wait and see after this season to fully appreciate.
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Old 06-22-2021, 10:25 AM   #4
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Arians "No risk it No biscuit" offense:

In 2001, with Tim Couch as Arians’ pupil in Cleveland for the first time, Couch threw 17 touchdown passes and 21 interceptions.

In 2013, Carson Palmer joined forces with Arians in Arizona. And Palmer threw 22 interceptions, against 24 touchdown passes.

Peyton Manning had Arians as a quarterbacks coach with the Colts. Manning threw 26 touchdown passes . . . and 28 interceptions. It’s a single-season rookie record that still stands.
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He’s about to shock the world.
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Originally Posted by rezburna View Post
He’s about to shock the world.
I am beginning to think the same. I initially wanted Winston solely so we could use Hill to his full potential elsewhere, but now I am becoming convinced he is going to be the superior option regardless of whether Hill touches the field or not.
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If nothing else, both Hill and Winston are being given an honest shot. It’s time for either one (maybe both) to put up or shut up so to speak. Sure hope it happens!
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