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Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints
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New Orleans Saints quarterback Jameis Winston has been one of the NFL’s most fascinating players for several seasons now. Perhaps, not one of the best, but even the briefest look at his statistics is a fascinating experience.
Unfortunately, we were deprived of the roller coaster ride that is Winston last season, as he sat on the bench for most of Drew Brees’ final campaign. Now he is back with a chance to win a starting role following Brees’ retirement. And the data shows that, with a few minor adjustments, Winston can be a star in New Orleans. https://www.profootballnetwork.com/w...is-Winston.png Jameis Winston’s last season in Tampa Bay was truly unique Back in 2019, Winston had one of the most bizarre seasons in recent memory. He led the NFL with 5,109 passing yards and was second with 33 passing touchdowns while simultaneously throwing 30 interceptions, tied for the seventh-most in a season in NFL history. I imagine it was frustrating for Buccaneers fans and the Tampa bay organization, but it was incredible to watch from an outside perspective. Interestingly, as bizarre as Winston’s statistics appear on the surface, the advanced metrics are arguably more riveting. Despite his inconsistent play, Winston’s advanced metrics have always been excellent It might be difficult to believe, but Winston has been one of the best quarterbacks according to multiple advanced metrics over the last five seasons. To illustrate this, let’s look at the Offensive Value Metric (OVM). The OVM is a grading system created by the (Bx) Movement to evaluate players based on how much they contributed to their offense. much more here |
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Interception numbers generally require context. I urge anyone wanting to discuss Winston's 2019 interception numbers to read the article belowis. Part of the reason for the high total Ints is because he threw more passes than anyone else but that doesn't account for the lions share of the INTs.
Do I expect to see similar numbers with the Saints? No, a one season 2x anomaly is usually one that is removed statistically. Remove the high and the low and he averages 15.6 INT per season, roughly 1 per game which is still by any fans standard high and would have led the league in 2020, #2 in 2018, #3 in 2018. I have noticed that some people have a different reaction to a Drew Brees interception compared to a Jameis Winston interception. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/st...rceptions-2019 |
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Fun banter... but we'll have to wait and see after this season to fully appreciate. |
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Arians "No risk it No biscuit" offense:
In 2001, with Tim Couch as Arians’ pupil in Cleveland for the first time, Couch threw 17 touchdown passes and 21 interceptions. In 2013, Carson Palmer joined forces with Arians in Arizona. And Palmer threw 22 interceptions, against 24 touchdown passes. Peyton Manning had Arians as a quarterbacks coach with the Colts. Manning threw 26 touchdown passes . . . and 28 interceptions. It’s a single-season rookie record that still stands. |
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He’s about to shock the world.
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If nothing else, both Hill and Winston are being given an honest shot. It’s time for either one (maybe both) to put up or shut up so to speak. Sure hope it happens!
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Is posting "No Comment" on a forum that requires a typed response a "COMMENT" ?
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I'm a fan of redemption stories and I want nothing more than for Jameis to fulfill his potential and all the justification he'll feel along with winning.
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Who Dat! :bng: |
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We haven't been through this QB situation since Brees came to town.
So for us it's back to the Good Ole Days.. |
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In Jim Mora cadence.Potential?! Potential?! He will BE who HE IS.
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You don’t talk about potential when a guy has been in the league for over half a decade.
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He had never thrown for over 5000 yards before coming to the Saints. Heck, he'd never passed for 4000 yards. He only managed to complete 65% of his passes once in that half a decade (65.5%). He had never topped 27 TD's in a season and more than 17 TD's only twice. |
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Speaking of potential, in Drew Brees' first half a decade he produced 80 TD's. This is the same guy that later met his potential and became the NFL's all-time leader in TD passes. After Jameis Winston's first half a decade he struggled to ONLY 121 TD's, over 50% more than that Drew Brees guy managed in his first half a decade.
In Brees' first half a decade he passed for 12,348 yards. This is the same guy that later met his potential and became the NFL's all-time leader in yards passing. After Jameis Winston's first half a decade he struggled to ONLY 19,737 yards, once again well over 50% more than that Drew Brees guy managed in his first half a decade. |
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It is fun to speculate. I certainly do wish the best for the Saints, since I am a die-hard. If Winston is QB I could care less, I just want wins.
I do have an opinion and fortunately if his lack of good decision making continues to haunt him, we are rather screwed unless Hill or Book can step up. My gut feeling says this will be a one year experiment. Being from Florida all of my Bucs friends are truly enjoying their SB win and the cherry on top of their sundae is to see the Saints stuck with Jameis. Many haha's at my expense. While Brees had a less than stellar last year, his main target Thomas was not up to par either, which did impact that. My hope is Thomas returns solid and others step up. If the receiving corps can create space quickly downfield or in the secondary it will eliminate Winston from being pressed to make the wrong decision. |
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Everything I've ever heard about Winston is how intelligent he is. "Florida State coach Jimbo Fisher is not surprised by reports that quarterback Jameis Winston impressed NFL teams with the intelligence he demonstrated in interviews at the Combine. Fisher, who has been a quarterbacks coach, offensive coordinator or head coach for 27 years, said he has never coached a player with the level of football intelligence that Winston possesses. “Jameis, in football intellect, intelligence level, is as smart as anybody I’ve ever been around,” Fisher said on NFL Network. “You can do so many different things with him and he grasps it. He just doesn’t memorize plays, he understands the concepts of how to attack the coverage, how a play works, where his one-on-one matchups are. He just has a tremendous football intellect that way.”" |
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Second, I never saw Winston smiling and laughing on the sidelines after throwing an Int. I did see Brooks do that. I don’t agree with the comparison. Just my opinion. |
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Quoted the wrong post Thirty. Sorry.
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First, Philip Rivers was not drafted by the San Diego Chargers. He was drafted by the New York Giants. He was traded to the Chargers for San Diego's 1st round selection, Eli Manning. Secondly, Philip Rivers was acquired by the Chargers in 2004 and it had nothing to do with Brees' injury which occurred in the final game of the 2005 season. Third, Brees was offered an incentive laden contract to remain with the Chargers, but gambled on his potential to go elsewhere. It was not because they "weren't sure Drew could recover". And finally, Jameis Winston was not FIRED as you seem to claim. His contract expired and he was a free agent. He could have resigned with Tampa Bay for a deal similar to the one he agreed to with the Saints, but like Brees, he gambled on his potential to go elsewhere. Now he's looking at a starting gig with the most prolific offensive mind in the NFL. |
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Mannings were up front they didn't want Eli playing in San Diego because of the way that franchise was run - Lessons from Archie Manning's career ruined by John Mecom...
San Diego knew this and were looking at Rivers also; still selected Manning knowing they'd get Rivers and picks to boot - Saving face, Salvaging a Disadvantaged Hand... Brees had been inconsistent at that point, even being benched for poor play; San Diego had a prototype in mind at QB, and Brees at 6' 0" wasn't it... |
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Getting benched may have worked in his favor. Made him work smarter, faster, stronger. Not to mention a HC that believed in his ability. DB is just built different. Now he's headed to Canton :bng:. |
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Good day for the B&G when the first ballot HOF’er is enshrined! |
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And thank God you don't have any say. |
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Are you that detached from reality that you do not realize Tampa Bay just jettisoned Jameis Winston, signed Tom Brady, and won a Super Bowl? |
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You guys are arguing with someone that refuses to see anyone's logic except his own. Which most of the time is based on popular opinion or what makes him look smart. Lol
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