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Dude.... If it protects me then it protects them.But let me get this through to that thick skull of yours, only if it's a properly rated mask does it work. That is the point. I think you would try to convince a door knob it can only be turned one way. Your pretty close to the drama queen aspect aren't you? You like to THINK you are right but really don't have a clue about certain things in the least and WILL keep on and on and on and on about it. Really sad, I would feel sorry for you and people like you but I don't and want, ever. So keep on spewing out what you think you know, whether you really know it or not. I'm getting a kick out of it, how about you?

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I think flu and common cold are down because of the general precautions of dealing with COVID are effective for the prevention of both of them, as well. Another factor is that this past year had more people get the flu vaccination in any year since 2009-2010. Maybe that's a sign we win the Lombardi again this year.

:bng:

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My God, you honestly do not get the concept. Yes, if you were wearing a mask that gave you 95% protection, it would in turn be excellent in protecting others from you. You are correct in that. But, but even a simple cloth mask that is extremely ineffective at keeping out virus particles and does little if anything to protect the wearer is very effective at catching expelled droplets containing the virus thus protecting others.

Once again, the main purpose of wearing a mask is not to protect the wearer, but to protect others from the wearer - regardless of the type of mask worn. Any mask is better than none for that purpose.

If you don't get that then the doorknob analogy appears to be correct in this case.

;)

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Just so many things wrong with peoples responses and “reasoning” in this thread. Ace was out of 30’foot poles.

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Monoclonal antibodies are certainly a tool in the toolbox that should be used for treatment. However, it's not an alternative for measures designed to prevent getting infected in the first place.

That's why I wear a mask even though I am fully vaccinated. That's why I test on exposure, even though I'm fully vaccinated. That's why I'll get an infusion if I ever do get infected even though I'm fully vaccinated.

Every measure helps, though none are 100% preventative. Each lowers the chance of getting and spreading the infection.

SFIAH

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I’m relatively healthy and not paranoid.

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None of this true and studies 100 percent contradict this. There is a 99 to 99.5% survival rate. Age is a huge factor in those dying. The holes in the cloth masks are wjat is it 1000 times larger than the virus.

We are going to have to learn to treat those thst inexplicably become gravely ill and to live with it. Youre not eradicating the virus...better chance at eradicating fauci and the other scientist who supported and helped create it.

BTW had covid in December, got tired for little more than a week and lost my sense of smell.

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Same here. Very healthy and absolutely not paranoid. When I am out and about now I wear a mask not because I am concerned at all about getting sick since I am fully vaccinated. Simply concern for others.

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"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." - Benjamin Franklin

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Ahh, you selfless soul you. So worthy of chop busting.

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Why, thank you, my friend. :D

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“ Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”....Steve Franklin. No wait...that was BEN Franklin.

Consider your Chops Busted!!!!

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You are aware of the context of that quote, right? It doesn't mean what you think it means.

Ben Franklin's Famous 'Liberty, Safety' Quote Lost Its Context In 21st Century

SIEGEL: What's the exact quotation?

WITTES: The exact quotation, which is from a letter that Franklin is believed to have written on behalf of the Pennsylvania General Assembly, reads, those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

SIEGEL: And what was the context of this remark?

WITTES: He was writing about a tax dispute between the Pennsylvania General Assembly and the family of the Penns, the proprietary family of the Pennsylvania colony who ruled it from afar. And the legislature was trying to tax the Penn family lands to pay for frontier defense during the French and Indian War. And the Penn family kept instructing the governor to veto. Franklin felt that this was a great affront to the ability of the legislature to govern. And so he actually meant purchase a little temporary safety very literally. The Penn family was trying to give a lump sum of money in exchange for the General Assembly's acknowledging that it did not have the authority to tax it.

SIEGEL: So far from being a pro-privacy quotation, if anything, it's a pro-taxation and pro-defense spending quotation.

WITTES: It is a quotation that defends the authority of a legislature to govern in the interests of collective security. It means, in context, not quite the opposite of what it's almost always quoted as saying but much closer to the opposite than to the thing that people think it means.

SIEGEL: Well, as you've said, it's used often in the context of surveillance and technology. And it came up in my conversation with Mr. Anderson 'cause he's part of what's called the Ben Franklin Privacy Caucus in the Virginia legislature. What do you make of the use of this quotation as a motto for something that really wasn't the sentiment Franklin had in mind?

WITTES: You know, there are all of these quotations. Think of kill all the lawyers - right? - from Shakespeare. Nobody really remembers what the characters in question were saying at that time. And maybe it doesn't matter so much what Franklin was actually trying to say because the quotation means so much to us in terms of the tension between government power and individual liberties. But I do think it is worth remembering what he was actually trying to say because the actual context is much more sensitive to the problems of real governance than the flip quotation's use is, often. And Franklin was dealing with a genuine security emergency. There were raids on these frontier towns. And he regarded the ability of a community to defend itself as the essential liberty that it would be contemptible to trade. So I don't really have a problem with people misusing the quotation, but I also think it's worth remembering what it was really about.

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Ahhh, the wiggle. That’s why I disagree with having you banned. It’s easier to see and disprove some of the BS things you say face to face. IF (which is not so) you were as righteous as you believe you are, then you would at least wonder why some people find you so....unpleasant. You would try to overcome that shortcoming you have. If for no other reason than to try to bridge that gap. Someone trying to engage in dialogue would do that. But, as usual, you aren’t, and the problem is never yours in your mind. Thanks for busting your own chops.

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Hes a fool that spouts BS. If he can find a way to take the alternative side. He will. There's going to be a lot of losing for those Saints this year. Team has huge holes absent any talent. Youre going to see this board absent the cry baby....which he won't blame on himself but on others apparent negativity because they point out the truth

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Report from Ochsner Medical System:

Average age of covid death for vaccinated patients: 75
Average age of covid death for unvaccinated patients: 48

Covid really doesn't care if you are healthy or not paranoid. The entire point now is that it's killing younger, healthy, unvaccinated people.

SFIAH

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Unpleasant perhaps to those that do not agree with my takes. That's not my problem. But, by the way, is this not dialog?

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If people want to vaccinate, fine. If people do not want to vaccinate, fine. If people want to mask fine. If not mask, fine. The idea of telling others what they should do because it is good for other people is not supported by logic
nor science and against the idea of individual freedom. I will no doubt now hear a version of “you don’t have a study” as a rebuff.

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Your mind is made up and cannot be changed. Right or wrong.

By the way, what does "individual freedom" mean?

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https://memegenerator.net/img/instan...hat-i-want.jpg

SFIAH

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"Freedom without obligation is anarchy; freedom with obligation is democracy." - Earl Riney

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An example is to not force (ask) a child to wear a face covering as a requisite to attend taxpayer funded schools under the guise that doing so will protect other children from a virus that has a less chance of killing them than does the virus they encounter during a normal flu season. Let’s start with that.

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No help for you is it? Prozac don't help people who are touched in the head like you even. Hopeless!!

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Do you agree with schools requiring dress codes or uniforms? Why is a mask any different?

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I'm not sure that all that testing is necessary on game day. People just need to show their vaccination card or proof of a negative test. It's not just for attending games. Vaccinations save lives.

It's almost funny how the deniers go to the doctor for help when they get Covid by going to the ER for doctors to help make them better. If someone doesn't think it works then maybe they don't need to fill the ER when they get sick and save that room for people who believe that doctors can help them. Just sayin'.

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The hospital released me even though I had pneumonia and a lung infection to make room for Covid patients. I did not want to go home and do my own infusions but I had no choice. Every time a Covid patient is hospitalized there is less room for other major ailments. Just get vaccinated and don't worry that it is an infringement on personal freedumbs.

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We tell people they must have driver's licenses to drive.

We tell people they must stop at red lights.

I could go on but you get the point.

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This is incorrect.

Go read the studies at JAMA, New England Journal of Medicine, NIH, pubmed.org.

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But they can spread it to anyone they get close to.

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You probably deserved to get kicked out of the hospital because you made poor health decisions at some point that increased your risk of becoming seriously ill.

Seriously brother, your take on turning away people because they decided not to take the vaccine is really screwed up.

I took the vaccine as soon as I could, but I respect the right of others to make their own decisions about their healthcare. There are legitimate reasons not to take the vaccine. I also understand how someone would not trust the pharmaceutical companies, the government or the media.

Although I made a personal decision to take the vax, I question the wisdom of a position that the entire population needs to take these new vaccines all at one time. If it turns out that these vaccines have long term negative health implications then we are going to be screwed. And let's not pretend to know things that we could not possibly know at this time.

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Your sympathy for a fellow forum member is commendable ... NOT!

Unbelievable. But then again, considering your history ... :rolleyes:

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The 2021 date said nothing about covid next closest date was 2017 and covid didn't exist. Be more specific. I do read quite a bit.

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Nothing is ever 100%. Just look no farther than all the lawsuits going on with prescribed medicine that were FDA approved that kill people or give them a long slow death with agonizing side affects. I personally don't put to much stock in the medical outlook or their journals of medicine from wherever or to many of their remedies of yesteryear or today, it might be bad to in the long run. Example - never could cure a common cold,the flu, cancer( how many decades have they been trying while people are dying every hour of the day, 7 days a week 24 hrs, a day), parkinsons, the list is quite extensive and then shazam, they got the ticket to covid. Their good, he!! their great!! Lots of snake oil salesmen out there. Although sometimes they do get it right on occasion every now and then but with covid they still have a long way to go just like the flu that has been around way before my time and still no cure, wow!!

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I had to get mine to work, really not to much of a choice their giving now. Starve or put a needle in your arm. Really sad!! I will refuse the" mark of the beast" when our government tries to shove it down our throats telling us how good it will be if these so called vaccines don't kill me first.

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I think it's pretty obvious that I didn't actually believe he should have been booted from the hospital for his past decisions. Instead, I was making a point that people should not be denied health services based on some social credit score, ala the CCP.

Obvious unless of course the reader isn't that bright (possibly you) or is posting in bad faith (definitely you).

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Absolutely bad faith.

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The mighty hospital Covid compensation model at work here. You probably were better off not being in the midst of other Covid patients. Foreverfan had double pneumonia and got Covid, when they didn't know what the hell they were doing.

If you have antibodies, that should be good enough. Can't show that on a Vax card. Some folks can't get vaxxed with their medical situations. If you just got over Covid, you cannot get vaxxed for at least three months.

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I read something yesterday that said we should prioritize Covid patients needing to be hospitalized by whether they have had the shot or not. This made me think about it for quite sometime. If people don't believe in science before they get sick then why would getting Covid change their mind?

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Glad I found a 40 foot pole from a guy online.