Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina

Thirty3 · 09-20-2021, 12:27 AM

A guy whose game is similar to Steve Young would give opposing teams fits.

BakoSaint · 09-20-2021, 01:02 AM

Also, based on our oline performance, anyone expecting a 6 year $160 million extension for Armstead announced tomorrow? Would be just typical. And then he goes on IR Tuesday.

jeanpierre · 09-20-2021, 04:16 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

Constructive criticism:
- Drives me nuts when we start in pistol-like formation and shift to a normal shotgun. I think we could do more damage with the pistol similar to Chiefs and Cardinals.
- The pitch to Kamara at the goal line was much too risky and we saw the huge negative result. Unless you are playing a defense that is absolutely gassed, I don't think that play works at the goalline in the NFL. Stuff the middle or call another play.
- Play action on first down seemed kind of predictable and Panthers got us for huge losses on it.
- I don't think we called a screen all game. Could've used a few to keep Winston from getting assaulted.
- Needed to send more pressure vs Darnold earlier in the game. I know it's risky calling it with McCaffery, but we let Darnold get way too much rhythm.
- Refs need to chill with the roughing-the-passer flag. Terrible ones called against both teams today.

Fair criticisms but you can't completely control that last one in some cases; but if you're gonna harass a QB, you gotta do it early, pick your spots...

Another positive to take away - it was clear from this game that Payton Turner is now our DE2, if not DE1, as Cam Jordan is definitely slowing down now...

While I believe in rotating, keeping DEs fresh, it's Cam that should've been coming out more for Granderson, especially on 3rd downs, as he was obviously gassed...

Granderson has no business being in there on early downs as he doesn't have the sand in his arse to anchor the edge vs the run...

Thought our DTs played above expectations, especially in goal line defense; they got lit up by tight officiating, but as said earlier, they gotta pick their spots...

jeanpierre · 09-20-2021, 04:25 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Also, based on our oline performance, anyone expecting a 6 year $160 million extension for Armstead announced tomorrow? Would be just typical. And then he goes on IR Tuesday.

Don't believe Armstead is getting an extension to stay with the Saints. Why?

Under reported, or at least spot-lighted, when announced, Ryan Ramczyk's contract calls for a lot of significant performance bonuses tied to him playing Left Tackle...

Ramczyk is not only our best tackle, but our best offensive lineman; Armstead has convenient injuries when he doesn't know his opponent, or ones he's struggled...

Smart on Armstead's part really, because if you minimize bad film vs bad matchups, management won't have that leverage in contract negotiations...

Ramczyk literally faced a gauntlet of HOF pass rushers the year before for twelve weeks, not allowing even one sack and maybe a few pressures...

Payton is mercurial, may walk in, changed mind, and alter Ramczyk's contract language, but as of now, based on the facts, this is Armstead's last Saints season...

subguy · 09-20-2021, 04:32 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You need to let that go. Move on.

While I agree you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube, it is frustrating.

jeanpierre · 09-20-2021, 04:32 AM

Another positive takeaway from this game was Zach Baun; he was struggling early on, but managed to regroup his focus in game and come back and play tough...

In recent past, we've usually had LBers that had to sit for the remainder of the game, perhaps another week or so, before they regained that focus, confidence...

Baun was right back in there, swarming, slugging it out, keeping it close in the hopes that Jameis would eventually figure out how to read a blitz and make the hot read...

subguy · 09-20-2021, 04:35 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

That’s a problem.

It is a problem. It also shows what happens when Jameis is pressured. His bad decision gene kicks in. WE certainly need that top=tier o-line to show up each week to help alleviate Jameis decision making. We have to compensate for this QB

subguy · 09-20-2021, 04:36 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Lol, where is the criticism of the O LINE ? They COLLECTIVELY stunk it up.

No QB would have played well under that type of duress.

Correct, and that doesn't help a QB that is notoriously bad at decision making

jeanpierre · 09-20-2021, 04:38 AM

Know I disagreed with Brother Chris during the game commentary, but thought Adebo played very well...

While he gave up short gains, that Michael Thomas 8-yard power-step-in route is hard to defend, he stopped all the big plays and made some crucial open-field tackles...

Should also mention that Adebo could've used some help from the DEs to knock down those quick low-trajectory passes as defenses adjusted vs Drew Brees...

Remember the Panthers have our playbook in Brady and he knows how to pick at even a good CB...

But as a rookie CB2, he had a very solid 2nd game and will learn to jump those routes and give those QBs pause, maybe enough for a sack or even a sack/fumble...

jeanpierre · 09-20-2021, 06:41 AM

Thought the time to use Taysom Hill to spark the offense would've been much earlier in the game; Payton really seems to have lost that timing with using him...

09-20-2021, 12:27 AM	#51
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09-20-2021, 01:02 AM	#52
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09-20-2021, 04:16 AM	#53
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina Originally Posted by neugey Constructive criticism: - Drives me nuts when we start in pistol-like formation and shift to a normal shotgun. I think we could do more damage with the pistol similar to Chiefs and Cardinals. - The pitch to Kamara at the goal line was much too risky and we saw the huge negative result. Unless you are playing a defense that is absolutely gassed, I don't think that play works at the goalline in the NFL. Stuff the middle or call another play. - Play action on first down seemed kind of predictable and Panthers got us for huge losses on it. - I don't think we called a screen all game. Could've used a few to keep Winston from getting assaulted. - Needed to send more pressure vs Darnold earlier in the game. I know it's risky calling it with McCaffery, but we let Darnold get way too much rhythm. - Refs need to chill with the roughing-the-passer flag. Terrible ones called against both teams today. Fair criticisms but you can't completely control that last one in some cases; but if you're gonna harass a QB, you gotta do it early, pick your spots... Another positive to take away - it was clear from this game that Payton Turner is now our DE2, if not DE1, as Cam Jordan is definitely slowing down now... While I believe in rotating, keeping DEs fresh, it's Cam that should've been coming out more for Granderson, especially on 3rd downs, as he was obviously gassed... Granderson has no business being in there on early downs as he doesn't have the sand in his arse to anchor the edge vs the run... Thought our DTs played above expectations, especially in goal line defense; they got lit up by tight officiating, but as said earlier, they gotta pick their spots...
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09-20-2021, 04:25 AM	#54
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina Originally Posted by BakoSaint Also, based on our oline performance, anyone expecting a 6 year $160 million extension for Armstead announced tomorrow? Would be just typical. And then he goes on IR Tuesday. Don't believe Armstead is getting an extension to stay with the Saints. Why? Under reported, or at least spot-lighted, when announced, Ryan Ramczyk's contract calls for a lot of significant performance bonuses tied to him playing Left Tackle... Ramczyk is not only our best tackle, but our best offensive lineman; Armstead has convenient injuries when he doesn't know his opponent, or ones he's struggled... Smart on Armstead's part really, because if you minimize bad film vs bad matchups, management won't have that leverage in contract negotiations... Ramczyk literally faced a gauntlet of HOF pass rushers the year before for twelve weeks, not allowing even one sack and maybe a few pressures... Payton is mercurial, may walk in, changed mind, and alter Ramczyk's contract language, but as of now, based on the facts, this is Armstead's last Saints season...
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09-20-2021, 04:32 AM	#55
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,096	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You need to let that go. Move on. While I agree you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube, it is frustrating.

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09-20-2021, 04:35 AM	#57
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,096	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina Originally Posted by K Major That’s a problem. It is a problem. It also shows what happens when Jameis is pressured. His bad decision gene kicks in. WE certainly need that top=tier o-line to show up each week to help alleviate Jameis decision making. We have to compensate for this QB jnormand and jeanpierre like this.

09-20-2021, 04:36 AM	#58
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,096	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina Originally Posted by K Major Lol, where is the criticism of the O LINE ? They COLLECTIVELY stunk it up. No QB would have played well under that type of duress. Correct, and that doesn't help a QB that is notoriously bad at decision making jnormand and jeanpierre like this.

09-20-2021, 04:38 AM	#59
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina Know I disagreed with Brother Chris during the game commentary, but thought Adebo played very well... While he gave up short gains, that Michael Thomas 8-yard power-step-in route is hard to defend, he stopped all the big plays and made some crucial open-field tackles... Should also mention that Adebo could've used some help from the DEs to knock down those quick low-trajectory passes as defenses adjusted vs Drew Brees... Remember the Panthers have our playbook in Brady and he knows how to pick at even a good CB... But as a rookie CB2, he had a very solid 2nd game and will learn to jump those routes and give those QBs pause, maybe enough for a sack or even a sack/fumble... ChrisXVI likes this.
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09-20-2021, 06:41 AM	#60
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina Thought the time to use Taysom Hill to spark the offense would've been much earlier in the game; Payton really seems to have lost that timing with using him...