Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina

jeanpierre · 09-20-2021, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Another positive takeaway from this game was Zach Baun; he was struggling early on, but managed to regroup his focus in game and come back and play tough...

In recent past, we've usually had LBers that had to sit for the remainder of the game, perhaps another week or so, before they regained that focus, confidence...

Baun was right back in there, swarming, slugging it out, keeping it close in the hopes that Jameis would eventually figure out how to read a blitz and make the hot read...

Yep, looked like he was benched, but thought Baun did a nice job of turning it around in the second half...

SaintGnome · 09-20-2021, 04:59 PM

I was surprised it took so long to get Taysom involved, and that he wasn't involved more. Not so much as a QB but some more gadgety ways. As a matter of fact I'm surprised Sean didn't inject some razzle dazzle plays in the second half when Jamius obviously wasn't getting it done, an end arounds, flee flicker, something.

Lord_Saint83 · 09-20-2021, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Yep, looked like he was benched, but thought Baun did a nice job of turning it around in the second half...

That’s a hard assignment for a guy in only his second start to do.

jeanpierre · 09-20-2021, 05:17 PM

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spkb25 · 09-20-2021, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by winmill1

I worry that Jameis has been exposed with the blitz packages. Not only was he not adjusting the line pre-snap, even when he had time he was way off target. I think Taysom knows our system better. It seemed like Jameis was in the black and only having an offseason of half reps is the cause.

U should be more worried ur oline and lack of talent were

turbo_dog · 09-20-2021, 06:25 PM

I'm late because I was traveling yesterday. I had to listen to the game on siriusXM. But nice to have that option, as WWL doesn't reach Georgia. I didn't understand why SP kept trying the same crap that wasn't working on offense. Seems like once it was clear that normal three step drop or handoff wasn't working, he should have thrown Taysom in there with some run/pass option to loosen up the defense.

Rsanders24 · 09-20-2021, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by turbo_dog

I'm late because I was traveling yesterday. I had to listen to the game on siriusXM. But nice to have that option, as WWL doesn't reach Georgia. I didn't understand why SP kept trying the same crap that wasn't working on offense. Seems like once it was clear that normal three step drop or handoff wasn't working, he should have thrown Taysom in there with some run/pass option to loosen up the defense.

Wouldn’t have mattered who was at QB. The play of offense line was offensive. Even the few plays Hill contributed with weren’t great. We couldn’t run and we couldn’t pass.

Defense did okay with having so many key starters out but they could have played a lot better as well.

I think being on the road for over three weeks is also starting to get to them.

jeanpierre · 09-20-2021, 08:36 PM

Repeat

Winston's own words -

“I have to take responsibility for communicating with the offensive line...Got to get us in better protections. Just communicate better out there.”

Taysom Hill had 2 RuAtt for 9 RuYds and 7 RuYds, so, if anything, Taysom should have gotten more touches earlier, and often...

jeanpierre · 09-20-2021, 09:34 PM

Dan Campbell has Detroit up by a FG at the half at Green Bay; more schadenfreude of seeing Rodgers start 0-2, please...

jeanpierre · 09-20-2021, 10:28 PM

For those that follow...

PFF Grades for Saints, Week 2

Top 5, Offense

C Cesar Ruiz – 70.9

QB Taysom Hill – 69.8

WR Lil’Jordan Humphrey – 69.5

RG Calvin Throckmorton – 69.3

WR Chris Hogan – 64.1

Bottom 5, Offense

QB Jameis Winston – 40.7

RB Alvin Kamara – 43.8

LG Andrus Peat – 44.2

WR Marquez Callaway – 45.1

FB Garrett Griffin – 48.6

Top 5, Defense

S Marcus Williams – 76.3

LB Demario Davis – 75.4

CB Desmond Trufant – 74.2

DE Cameron Jordan – 74.1

DE Payton Turner – 72.1

Bottom 5, Defense

LB Andrew Dowell – 44.5

DT Malcolm Roach – 43.1

DE Jalyn Holmes – 42.7

CB Paulson Adebo – 40.6

LB Zack Baun – 29.0

09-20-2021, 04:45 PM	#81
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina Originally Posted by jeanpierre Another positive takeaway from this game was Zach Baun; he was struggling early on, but managed to regroup his focus in game and come back and play tough... In recent past, we've usually had LBers that had to sit for the remainder of the game, perhaps another week or so, before they regained that focus, confidence... Baun was right back in there, swarming, slugging it out, keeping it close in the hopes that Jameis would eventually figure out how to read a blitz and make the hot read... Yep, looked like he was benched, but thought Baun did a nice job of turning it around in the second half... Lord_Saint83 likes this.

09-20-2021, 04:59 PM	#82
SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina I was surprised it took so long to get Taysom involved, and that he wasn't involved more. Not so much as a QB but some more gadgety ways. As a matter of fact I'm surprised Sean didn't inject some razzle dazzle plays in the second half when Jamius obviously wasn't getting it done, an end arounds, flee flicker, something. jeanpierre likes this.

09-20-2021, 05:10 PM	#83
Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina Originally Posted by jeanpierre Yep, looked like he was benched, but thought Baun did a nice job of turning it around in the second half... That’s a hard assignment for a guy in only his second start to do. jeanpierre likes this.

09-20-2021, 05:17 PM	#84
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09-20-2021, 05:28 PM	#85
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina Originally Posted by winmill1 I worry that Jameis has been exposed with the blitz packages. Not only was he not adjusting the line pre-snap, even when he had time he was way off target. I think Taysom knows our system better. It seemed like Jameis was in the black and only having an offseason of half reps is the cause. U should be more worried ur oline and lack of talent were

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09-20-2021, 06:25 PM	#86
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,592	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina I'm late because I was traveling yesterday. I had to listen to the game on siriusXM. But nice to have that option, as WWL doesn't reach Georgia. I didn't understand why SP kept trying the same crap that wasn't working on offense. Seems like once it was clear that normal three step drop or handoff wasn't working, he should have thrown Taysom in there with some run/pass option to loosen up the defense. jnormand, neugey and SaintGnome like this.

09-20-2021, 06:50 PM	#87
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,482	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina Originally Posted by turbo_dog I'm late because I was traveling yesterday. I had to listen to the game on siriusXM. But nice to have that option, as WWL doesn't reach Georgia. I didn't understand why SP kept trying the same crap that wasn't working on offense. Seems like once it was clear that normal three step drop or handoff wasn't working, he should have thrown Taysom in there with some run/pass option to loosen up the defense. Wouldn’t have mattered who was at QB. The play of offense line was offensive. Even the few plays Hill contributed with weren’t great. We couldn’t run and we couldn’t pass. Defense did okay with having so many key starters out but they could have played a lot better as well. I think being on the road for over three weeks is also starting to get to them. K Major and Boston Saint like this.

09-20-2021, 08:36 PM	#88
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina Repeat Winston's own words - “I have to take responsibility for communicating with the offensive line...Got to get us in better protections. Just communicate better out there.” Taysom Hill had 2 RuAtt for 9 RuYds and 7 RuYds, so, if anything, Taysom should have gotten more touches earlier, and often... jnormand likes this.

09-20-2021, 09:34 PM	#89
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina Dan Campbell has Detroit up by a FG at the half at Green Bay; more schadenfreude of seeing Rodgers start 0-2, please...

09-20-2021, 10:28 PM	#90
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina For those that follow... PFF Grades for Saints, Week 2 Top 5, Offense C Cesar Ruiz – 70.9 QB Taysom Hill – 69.8 WR Lil’Jordan Humphrey – 69.5 RG Calvin Throckmorton – 69.3 WR Chris Hogan – 64.1 Bottom 5, Offense QB Jameis Winston – 40.7 RB Alvin Kamara – 43.8 LG Andrus Peat – 44.2 WR Marquez Callaway – 45.1 FB Garrett Griffin – 48.6 Top 5, Defense S Marcus Williams – 76.3 LB Demario Davis – 75.4 CB Desmond Trufant – 74.2 DE Cameron Jordan – 74.1 DE Payton Turner – 72.1 Bottom 5, Defense LB Andrew Dowell – 44.5 DT Malcolm Roach – 43.1 DE Jalyn Holmes – 42.7 CB Paulson Adebo – 40.6 LB Zack Baun – 29.0 Rugby Saint II likes this.
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