Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 929757)

Let’s look at some numbers. In 2006, his first year as starter with the team, Brees through his first three games had:

3 TDs
2 Int
7.2 yards/attempt
team 25.3 ppg
Horn, Colston, Moore, Henderson, Bush, Deuce as offensive weapons.
4 pre-season games to work with the first team starters.
0 games where team was displaced by Hurricane
0 coaches missing for Covid protocol.

Winston in his first 3 starts for the Saints has:

7 TDs
2 Ints
6.1 Y/A
24.3 ppg
Kamara...and a bunch of guys less talented than Brees had.
1 preseason game working with starters.
3 games team displaced by Hurricane.
5 coaches at least missed from Covid protocols.

Now, you can call someone pointing out these facts as being an apologist if it makes you feel better. I call it being a realist. I also don’t see the comparative “ineffectiveness” you are complaining about. Payton had two seasons watching Winston and I don’t think he would make him his starter if he had doubts about his ability to pass the ball downfield. But, as you say, time will tell.

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 929754)

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 929758)

Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 (Post 929760)

Just like some here are Taysom apologist around here too. I love Taysom but I know he’s not a 17 game every snap starting QB, I’m sorry. But he’s perfect for what he does. Oh and what about the Teddy haters when he first started he first couple of games. Some on here y’all know who y’all are talking about Teddy sucks and check down Teddy, Teddy can’t throw down the field. Then when SP let Teddy rip, everyone was changing there tune chanting Teddy, Teddy, Teddy. And before you give me his 3-1 record, the defense carried the team not Taysom stats all the fumbles 6 and fumbles 3 lost the four games to pair with four td’s and 2 ints. He’s as turnover prone Jameis. And that infamous Philadelphia game he couldn't come back from behind to win that either, so how is he this vast improvement from Jameis? Don’t let the three wins confuse some of y’all the defense carried him just like they are carrying them now.

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 929771)

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 929757)

Let’s look at some numbers. In 2006, his first year as starter with the team, Brees through his first three games had:

3 TDs
2 Int
7.2 yards/attempt
team 25.3 ppg
Horn, Colston, Moore, Henderson, Bush, Deuce as offensive weapons.
4 pre-season games to work with the first team starters.
0 games where team was displaced by Hurricane
0 coaches missing for Covid protocol.

Winston in his first 3 starts for the Saints has:

7 TDs
2 Ints
6.1 Y/A
24.3 ppg
Kamara...and a bunch of guys less talented than Brees had.
1 preseason game working with starters.
3 games team displaced by Hurricane.
5 coaches at least missed from Covid protocols.

Now, you can call someone pointing out these facts as being an apologist if it makes you feel better. I call it being a realist. I also don’t see the comparative “ineffectiveness” you are complaining about. Payton had two seasons watching Winston and I don’t think he would make him his starter if he had doubts about his ability to pass the ball downfield. But, as you say, time will tell.

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 929768)

Quick study on Highland Park (Stafford) and the Rams.

The guy is a good QB but more importantly he has good/elite weapons (I like to refer to them as route runners) + a solid pass catching TE.

Cooper Kuup (ask Lattimore), Robert Woods & Van Jefferson. Then add in a guy who can blow the top off (see last game) in Desean Jackson. That will be difficult to defend in the post season. There was a reason why Matthew wasn’t succeeding in Detroit. Not much around him (see Winston).

Saints don’t have that type of offensive firepower, but we do have an above avg DEFENSE.

Long season though, keep grinding.