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Not really upset about the two INT’s, they were more like punts. I remember someone commenting on the 1st INT took a possible 3 of the board. With the way our kicker is playing, it would have given the Panthers better field position.

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I don't think we can with our current WRs. We have two QBs who can gun sling it. Problem is they got nobody open to throw it to.

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Agreed ^^. It's hard enough to succeed at this level of football, but even harder when your QB is throwing to a roster full of undrafted WR's.

No one is getting open. One of those is 5'6 special teams ace transitioning to a WR. Play him man/man, then double Kamara who is going to beat you consistently?

It's going to take Jameis a while to gain confidence in this group. Getting players back (MT, McCoy) will help.

Good to see Stills out there ... only one catch but he moved the chains. He'll have more opportunities going forward.

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Probably an unpopular opinion but I see that both of our QBs still play like they are in college.

It's fun and exciting to watch but lacks ball security.

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I'm not sure I understand this. There were no turnovers in two of our 3 games by the QB. Late in the game last week, when no one was getting open, Winston wasn't getting a decent pocket, and when there was nothing to lose he threw some wild throws and got picks. I've actually been impressed by the restraint JW has showed. I was talking with a Bucs fan while watching the game yesterday that each time he took a sack versus throwing a wild throw that would probably have been a pick my heart grew little (like the Grinch).

This team is built to win by Defense and running game. JW just needs to pass when he HAS to. So far he pretty much has done so. With Thomas and Smith come back (or trade for random WR) the passing game will be better but I don't expect the overall philosophy will change

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No… Apparently Belichick grabbed Mac’s arm and led him off the field and into the locker room.

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I knew we were going to be a run first team. Winston is doing a pretty good job of managing the game and our defense is so much fun to watch that I think they can cary an average team to the playoffs and maybe even deeper....like all the way! :p

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19-1 Baby!

:bng:

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I love how this defense imposes their will on offenses. Kinda gives me a woody, been wanting a good defense for years. Now, we got an elite defense and when the offense gets on track. We are gonna roll

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We have two more games coming up the Giants & Washington these are good teams for us to get the Offense worked out.
After that comes the Seahawks and Bucs which both will be tough games.
Still can't figure out how we took apart the Pack, guess we caught them snoozing.

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And we're doing it with a bunch of nobodies on the D-line. Sweet! :p

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Truth. So is their success based on Scheme, Technique, Chemistry, or Instinct/Football IQ?

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I think we’ve scouted really well at that position over the last several years.

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Yes.

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Watching live I was actually pleased with Winston’s play. It was a packed, loud stadium. Once they got a 2 score lead you could tell he was determined not to force a bad throw and turn the ball over. He’s got a 3.5 to 1 TD to Int ratio so far. That’s not bad at all. Game number 2 Carolina was ready and stuffed the O line and held Kamara in check (let’s not forget the travel/Ida/COVID Coach issues that week). They finally get a true home game against a struggling Giants team with a chance to go 3-1 with healthy players hopefully returning soon.

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DeMario Davis could get me to run through a wall for him. He's easily my favorite current Saints player.

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Best pick up since Brees.

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I think we can thank Jeff Ireland for the fantastic job he does in college scouting. We’ve been hitting on multiple draft picks for a while. Before him we were very hit or miss

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Maybe Vilma?

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Vilma truly was a Field General, during the Vilma Era it was like having an extra Coach in the huddle.

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Mostly miss.

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I want to give love to Paulson Adebo. Rookie is playing well and for someone who didn't play in 2020, to line up at one of the toughest positions in football and hold his own is great to see. I was shocked to see him starting over Roby, especially after the trade. Looks to be another 3rd round gem.

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Lol

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What are the chances Austin Reiter plays at center on Sunday and Ruiz back to guard until McCoy returns?

Deuce Windham did a film breakdown today and Ruiz is still having mental lapses & losing a lot of one on ones. Winston is having to take off running way too soon.

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You don’t see it because you are looking at stats by your response, but then you prove my point with him ‘making wild throws causing picks’ instead of taking the sack and securing the ball.

Go back through my posts you’ll fine more than one when I defended Winstons 30 interceptions with the Bucs because advanced stats showed that most were tipped balls and I am generally of the mind that if a receiver can tip it they can catch it. But those were just numbers without video showing him under duress forcing passes, if Drew had thrown the pass in the below video on Sunday some of the very same people that clicked like on your reply would have said he was forcing it with a ‘take what they give you’ follow up.

If you are built to win by defense and run then you are also built for ball security no? If you aren’t built for an air game then wouldn’t that speak to someone that makes decisions also having concerns about the air game and ball security?

Another wild throw and jump ball and truth be known a lot of people said **ck when they saw this release because they felt what I am saying… like it or not. This is a lack of focus on ball security, your disagreement with it doesn’t change that. Jump balls are desperation throws and generally come at the end of 1/2s or when behind.


If nothing I’ve said makes sense then maybe hearing it from Winston himself might.. So wild of a throwaway it was a TD by the ‘hand of God’ LOL
https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2021...yton-reaction/

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Just sayin' ...

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After the game I heard a Pats fan in disgust say one of the funniest lines about a football play I’ve heard in a while:

“That’s the first time I’ve seen a Hail Mary completed from the friggin ten yard line!”

I cracked up. And while there is a sliver of truth there I’ll still say I see mostly positive things in his play so far. It’s far from perfect, or even Brees-like. But no way do I put the Carolina loss on his shoulders alone. At the pace he’s on he’ll have 39 TDs and 11 INTs and the team will have 12 or 13 wins. I’ll take that any season.

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Clearly you didn't read my post or if you didn't understand it. He only had INT's in one game, and then only when it was already pretty hopeless. Our offense, particularly our OL was out of sync that game. As for the 'hand of god' play it was meant to be a throw away, meaning he threw it high away and was surprised it was caught, it didn't look to me like the DB had any chance to make the INT. I'm not reading stats, I'm watching games. Ironically your statement that our QBs "lack of focus on ball security" only makes sense if you focus on stats versus actually watching the games and realizing the game situations.

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I noticed this, as well ...

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Sorry Maddy but Ramz is the least of my worries on that O line. Share a video tweet of Ruiz or Tumbleweed Peat from the last 3 games. It's more than a handful of awful plays and effort. In that second vid clip, how long is Ramz supposed to stay engaged with his man before a possible hold? Then she goes on to say "should have been an easy push to the ground". Nothing is easy in the NFL. JW had 4+ seconds of protection and no one was open downfield.

McCoy can't come back soon enough. He's been a missing cog on this line.

Lots of blame to go around however saying "O effort" is a bit short-sighted on her part.

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Mahomes has more INTs than Winston?


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Ha!!! Cmon man! Winston has only attempted 63 passes in 3 games. He only has 387 yards. Good enough for 30th in the NFL in both categories. Btw, he's only been completing 60% of his passes. Also good for 30th.

Winston has done nothing impressive. I'm not buying into him yet. No way.

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So what do we do J? Insert Trevor S? Taysom H or the rookie Ian Book :rolleyes:?

I just don't see this offense or ANY QB on this roster doing anything remotely better than JW without weapons at WR/TE. Is Winston holding on to the ball a second too long? Maybe but I don't see any guys downfield creating any separation whatsoever. Route runners - see Chiefs, Rams, or Cowboys.

Collectively, this entire offensive line needs to perform better as well. It ain't all on Jameis.

#9 has truly spoiled us as fans.

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I would agree that Winston has been a bit unremarkable outside of that nice TD pass to the wee-man in week one but he is avoiding the turnovers as well. It seems like he's playing a bit scared right now but I'm not ready to see any of the saints backups in the QB role yet.

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On watching people’s and media reaction to the game I’ve noticed a common idea. There is a rush to criticize Winston for his low passing yardage total, yet he is criticized for throwing a pass that resulted in a TD. 🤔

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Oh the irony! :rolleyes:

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The media is against Jameis Winston. Every single thing he does is put under a microscope and hyper scrutinized. They replayed his post game interview where he mentioned what his trainer said and purposely cut it short as if he didn’t repeat what he was told a few seconds later. He has so much pressure on his face. The fact he was willing to try and put this team on his shoulders after somebody like Brees shows me a lot of toughness and character. Our fan base doesn’t make it easier either.

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Agreed K! I'm not saying that it's all on him man. I was just saying that him having less Ints than Mahomes doesn't resonate as some kind of awesome stat to me when he doesn't throw the ball much and doesn't do anything really spectacular. i was replying to Smashy's post. That's all. And nah, idk if we have a better QB on the roster. Certainly not Trevor!

Yes Brees spoiled us. Lol. Everyone is gonna suck compared to him. Lol. There's no way around that.

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I understand it's a week-to-week league however we should be able to gain some momentum offensively against the Giants on Sunday.

They (HC JJudge/media) are already hinting that Jason Garrett could be relieved of his OC duties if they continue to underperform. This is a Jacksonville Jaguar level bad team.