Jameis Winston has a knee injury but practices fully

NonieT · 10-01-2021, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I've been clear that I'm hopeful that Winston turns out to be a great QB and will give him the benefit of the doubt until I'm either proven right or wrong. He just doesn't seem to be a bright guy. But for what it's worth, apparently Marino wasn't very bright also.

He didn't have to think in Tampa he was just told to sling it. That doesn't take much thought.

AsylumGuido · 10-01-2021, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by NonieT

He didn't have to think in Tampa he was just told to sling it. That doesn't take much thought.

That's Bruce Arians for you. Brady came in and basically told Arians not to get in his way and took over.

NonieT · 10-01-2021, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That's Bruce Arians for you. Brady came in and basically told Arians not to get in his way and took over.

And that is probably the only reason Arians still has a job and a SB title.

jnormand · 10-01-2021, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I've been clear that I'm hopeful that Winston turns out to be a great QB and will give him the benefit of the doubt until I'm either proven right or wrong. He just doesn't seem to be a bright guy. But for what it's worth, apparently Marino wasn't very bright also.

Winston is not a "cerebral QB." He's got skill. And he's athletic. I don't want to call him dumb. He's just not the QB that is gonna make the reads like Brees. He probably relies more on instinct. He's obviously not as serious. Brees was all business. Like a coach on the field.

hitta · 10-02-2021, 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Winston is not a "cerebral QB." He's got skill. And he's athletic. I don't want to call him dumb. He's just not the QB that is gonna make the reads like Brees. He probably relies more on instinct. He's obviously not as serious. Brees was all business. Like a coach on the field.

This is exactly why we would be better off with Taysom. I don't think Jameis is bad or anything, I just think he has a very high ceiling. He has a quick mind, he runs well, and throws bullets. I don't think he does a bad job at choosing the right receivers, but he does throw the ball too damn hard. I think this is correctable with in game reps. I just think Winston is missing something that is required to be at the top of the NFL hierarchy.

neugey · 10-02-2021, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Winston is not a "cerebral QB." He's got skill. And he's athletic. I don't want to call him dumb. He's just not the QB that is gonna make the reads like Brees. He probably relies more on instinct. He's obviously not as serious. Brees was all business. Like a coach on the field.

To be fair, having a cerebral QB who takes on such a heavy role of leadership is a rare thing. A Brees or Peyton Manning or Brady or Elway just doesn't come along all too often. There are guys like Aikman or Favre that are in the Hall of Fame and great in their own way yet are not this type of QB. Need to evaluate Winston for who he is.

cmike · 10-03-2021, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Gonna give a not-so-popular opinion here. As fans we are all still in some form of a grieving stage about not having Brees. Some of us have blinders on and wear saints colored glasses in acceptance hoping Winston will be our next QB. Some of us are in denial and won’t give Winston a fair chance.

One championship in over a decade and a half. A championship that the defense deserves way more of the credit(Tracy Porter). Should’ve accomplished more. Sorry in advance for my not so popular opinion. Porter deserves a statue.

WhoDat!656 · 10-03-2021, 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by cmike

One championship in over a decade and a half. A championship that the defense deserves way more of the credit(Tracy Porter). Should’ve accomplished more. Sorry in advance for my not so popular opinion. Porter deserves a statue.

The way the Saints wasted Brees is criminal; the Saints should have at least 4 more SP appearances, if not wins; I wonder how many times that has crossed his mind.

Out of all of the Saints playoff loses in the Payton-era, I can't think of any that were because of the offense.

SmashMouth · 10-03-2021, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

The way the Saints wasted Brees is criminal; the Saints should have at least 4 more SP appearances, if not wins; I wonder how many times Brees that has crossed his mind.

Out of all of the Saints playoff loses in the Payton-era, I can't think of any that were because of the offense.

That's why I keep saying to lay it all on SP. And he needed to know the rule book like BB. The latter point would've given us two SB berths right there.

dizzle88 · 10-03-2021, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

The way the Saints wasted Brees is criminal; the Saints should have at least 4 more SP appearances, if not wins; I wonder how many times that has crossed his mind.

Out of all of the Saints playoff loses in the Payton-era, I can't think of any that were because of the offense.

Whilst I agree that Brees' prime years were wasted with bad defenses, I think there are a few playoff losses that fall on the offense. However I think it's all predicated on how you look at things.

In my opinion, the 2013 hawks loss and the 2020 Bucs ones definitely fall on the offense. 2013 Hawks I'm not too mad about as they had the number 1 D, we were away from home and they were the eventual SB champs.

2020 bucs one whilst they were also SB champs, the Offense put the D in some really bad spots and 3 or 4 turnovers on offense, you're never going to win a playoff game like that. Salt in the wound was that we demolished them twice and then looked scared at home in the playoffs against their D.

2011 vs 49ers is a tough one, I do blame the offense for turning the ball over 4 times, but then I blame GW and the D for blowing a miraculous comeback, one that may not have been needed, had the offense not turned the ball over so much.

Probably my main point, we never seem to get a full team effort in the playoffs. When one unit does well, the other falters.

10-01-2021, 01:31 PM	#1
NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: Jameis Winston has a knee injury but practices fully Originally Posted by iceshack149 I've been clear that I'm hopeful that Winston turns out to be a great QB and will give him the benefit of the doubt until I'm either proven right or wrong. He just doesn't seem to be a bright guy. But for what it's worth, apparently Marino wasn't very bright also. He didn't have to think in Tampa he was just told to sling it. That doesn't take much thought.
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10-01-2021, 01:41 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Jameis Winston has a knee injury but practices fully Originally Posted by NonieT He didn't have to think in Tampa he was just told to sling it. That doesn't take much thought. That's Bruce Arians for you. Brady came in and basically told Arians not to get in his way and took over.

10-01-2021, 02:10 PM	#3
NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: Jameis Winston has a knee injury but practices fully Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That's Bruce Arians for you. Brady came in and basically told Arians not to get in his way and took over. And that is probably the only reason Arians still has a job and a SB title. jnormand, AsylumGuido, Lord_Saint83 and 1 others like this.
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10-01-2021, 09:38 PM	#4
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,759	Re: Jameis Winston has a knee injury but practices fully Originally Posted by iceshack149 I've been clear that I'm hopeful that Winston turns out to be a great QB and will give him the benefit of the doubt until I'm either proven right or wrong. He just doesn't seem to be a bright guy. But for what it's worth, apparently Marino wasn't very bright also. Winston is not a "cerebral QB." He's got skill. And he's athletic. I don't want to call him dumb. He's just not the QB that is gonna make the reads like Brees. He probably relies more on instinct. He's obviously not as serious. Brees was all business. Like a coach on the field. iceshack149, neugey, RailBoss and 2 others like this.

10-02-2021, 01:29 AM	#5
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,339	Re: Jameis Winston has a knee injury but practices fully Originally Posted by jnormand Winston is not a "cerebral QB." He's got skill. And he's athletic. I don't want to call him dumb. He's just not the QB that is gonna make the reads like Brees. He probably relies more on instinct. He's obviously not as serious. Brees was all business. Like a coach on the field. This is exactly why we would be better off with Taysom. I don't think Jameis is bad or anything, I just think he has a very high ceiling. He has a quick mind, he runs well, and throws bullets. I don't think he does a bad job at choosing the right receivers, but he does throw the ball too damn hard. I think this is correctable with in game reps. I just think Winston is missing something that is required to be at the top of the NFL hierarchy. Thirty3 likes this.
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10-02-2021, 07:17 AM	#6
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,857 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Jameis Winston has a knee injury but practices fully Originally Posted by jnormand Winston is not a "cerebral QB." He's got skill. And he's athletic. I don't want to call him dumb. He's just not the QB that is gonna make the reads like Brees. He probably relies more on instinct. He's obviously not as serious. Brees was all business. Like a coach on the field. To be fair, having a cerebral QB who takes on such a heavy role of leadership is a rare thing. A Brees or Peyton Manning or Brady or Elway just doesn't come along all too often. There are guys like Aikman or Favre that are in the Hall of Fame and great in their own way yet are not this type of QB. Need to evaluate Winston for who he is. jnormand, RailBoss, SmashMouth and 2 others like this.

10-03-2021, 12:19 AM	#7
cmike 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gulfport Posts: 1,447	Re: Jameis Winston has a knee injury but practices fully Originally Posted by Boston Saint Gonna give a not-so-popular opinion here. As fans we are all still in some form of a grieving stage about not having Brees. Some of us have blinders on and wear saints colored glasses in acceptance hoping Winston will be our next QB. Some of us are in denial and won’t give Winston a fair chance. One championship in over a decade and a half. A championship that the defense deserves way more of the credit(Tracy Porter). Should’ve accomplished more. Sorry in advance for my not so popular opinion. Porter deserves a statue. neugey, SmashMouth and WhoDat!656 like this.

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WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,086	Re: Jameis Winston has a knee injury but practices fully Originally Posted by cmike One championship in over a decade and a half. A championship that the defense deserves way more of the credit(Tracy Porter). Should’ve accomplished more. Sorry in advance for my not so popular opinion. Porter deserves a statue. The way the Saints wasted Brees is criminal; the Saints should have at least 4 more SP appearances, if not wins; I wonder how many times that has crossed his mind. Out of all of the Saints playoff loses in the Payton-era, I can't think of any that were because of the offense. SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.

10-03-2021, 07:21 AM	#9
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,782 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Jameis Winston has a knee injury but practices fully Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 The way the Saints wasted Brees is criminal; the Saints should have at least 4 more SP appearances, if not wins; I wonder how many times Brees that has crossed his mind. Out of all of the Saints playoff loses in the Payton-era, I can't think of any that were because of the offense. That's why I keep saying to lay it all on SP. And he needed to know the rule book like BB. The latter point would've given us two SB berths right there.

10-03-2021, 08:13 AM	#10
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,534	Re: Jameis Winston has a knee injury but practices fully Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 The way the Saints wasted Brees is criminal; the Saints should have at least 4 more SP appearances, if not wins; I wonder how many times that has crossed his mind. Out of all of the Saints playoff loses in the Payton-era, I can't think of any that were because of the offense. Whilst I agree that Brees' prime years were wasted with bad defenses, I think there are a few playoff losses that fall on the offense. However I think it's all predicated on how you look at things. In my opinion, the 2013 hawks loss and the 2020 Bucs ones definitely fall on the offense. 2013 Hawks I'm not too mad about as they had the number 1 D, we were away from home and they were the eventual SB champs. 2020 bucs one whilst they were also SB champs, the Offense put the D in some really bad spots and 3 or 4 turnovers on offense, you're never going to win a playoff game like that. Salt in the wound was that we demolished them twice and then looked scared at home in the playoffs against their D. 2011 vs 49ers is a tough one, I do blame the offense for turning the ball over 4 times, but then I blame GW and the D for blowing a miraculous comeback, one that may not have been needed, had the offense not turned the ball over so much. Probably my main point, we never seem to get a full team effort in the playoffs. When one unit does well, the other falters. Rugby Saint II and cmike like this.
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