DE cameron Jordan not as effective as he once was ?

jeanpierre · 10-19-2021, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Cam Jordan is still a top player in the league. Not every good player gets a ton of sacks. Running containment on the edge doesn't really allow the outside run which lowers your sack numbers if you're not in all out rush mode. Our corners run man to man mostly which leaves the edge open to running QB's if there is no containment. Jordan is still the man in my book.

True, but the elephant in the room is Cam's being paid to not only apply pressure, disrupt, but get the QB on the ground - and that salary cap return isn't happening...

Reality is Cam's 32yo, and the decline in his play from elite to very good has a lot to do with his age...

Sean and Mickey need to be paying for current production (Ramczyk, Lattimore), not past production (Cam Jordan)...

dizzle88 · 10-19-2021, 07:59 PM

We have a very expensive and inactive D line at the moment with Cam and 2 1sts

jeanpierre · 10-19-2021, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

We have a very expensive and inactive D line at the moment with Cam and 2 1sts

Well, three 1st(s) and a fifth...

While the Davenport pick was a horrible, horrible reach, you can't say Sean hasn't recognized the importance of investing in a defensive pass rush...

He'll get a free pass from the local, suppressed press (in denial), but letting Hendrickson walk does seem counterproductive, even if he was likely unaffordable...

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Rugby Saint II · 10-23-2021, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

True, but the elephant in the room is Cam's being paid to not only apply pressure, disrupt, but get the QB on the ground - and that salary cap return isn't happening...

Reality is Cam's 32yo, and the decline in his play from elite to very good has a lot to do with his age...

Sean and Mickey need to be paying for current production (Ramczyk, Lattimore), not past production (Cam Jordan)...

Maybe he'll be willing to rework his contract. Other players have done that. I wonder if he values the community and team over money? My money says yes.

Boston Saint · 10-23-2021, 08:32 PM

The Davenport pick/investment has been a huge disappointment that has crippled the team. Much, MUCH worse pick than Peat. Yet Peat gets all the criticism and Davenport gets a pass. Screw that !

ChrisXVI · 10-23-2021, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

The Davenport pick/investment has been a huge disappointment that has crippled the team. Much, MUCH worse pick than Peat. Yet Peat gets all the criticism and Davenport gets a pass. Screw that !

Davenport is so good though and that’s what makes it hurt even more that he can’t stay healthy. When he plays he gives us these awesome glimpses of the incredible talent he has and then he’s gone.

Boston Saint · 10-23-2021, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Davenport is so good though and that’s what makes it hurt even more that he can’t stay healthy. When he plays he gives us these awesome glimpses of the incredible talent he has and then he’s gone.

That’s really kind of a myth though Chris. If you compare his per game production stats it’s worse than Trey Hendrickson in just about every category. It’s just not true that he’s worthy of this type of praise.

iceshack149 · 10-23-2021, 11:05 PM

I'll shoot you guys straight. Talk like this is similar to the last couple of years with Brees. It's not fun for me to discuss but it is inevitable. Cam has been the ultimate player and teammate.

subguy · 10-24-2021, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Davenport is so good though and that’s what makes it hurt even more that he can’t stay healthy. When he plays he gives us these awesome glimpses of the incredible talent he has and then he’s gone.

His play time has been as elusive as Bigfoot...

K Major · 11-01-2021, 09:57 AM

Bump ...

Sacks in back-to-back games for Cam. He's only going to improve with a pi**ed off David O & Davenport on the Dline. Tanoh K(2 tackles/1 sack) continues to play well.

Atlanta O-line is struggling right now. Expect these guys to get in on Matty Ice this Sunday.

Dome Sweet Dome.

10-19-2021, 04:20 PM	#41
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: DE cameron Jordan not as effective as he once was ? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Cam Jordan is still a top player in the league. Not every good player gets a ton of sacks. Running containment on the edge doesn't really allow the outside run which lowers your sack numbers if you're not in all out rush mode. Our corners run man to man mostly which leaves the edge open to running QB's if there is no containment. Jordan is still the man in my book. True, but the elephant in the room is Cam's being paid to not only apply pressure, disrupt, but get the QB on the ground - and that salary cap return isn't happening... Reality is Cam's 32yo, and the decline in his play from elite to very good has a lot to do with his age... Sean and Mickey need to be paying for current production (Ramczyk, Lattimore), not past production (Cam Jordan)... SmashMouth likes this.

10-19-2021, 07:59 PM	#42
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10-19-2021, 10:29 PM	#43
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: DE cameron Jordan not as effective as he once was ? Originally Posted by dizzle88 We have a very expensive and inactive D line at the moment with Cam and 2 1sts Well, three 1st(s) and a fifth... While the Davenport pick was a horrible, horrible reach, you can't say Sean hasn't recognized the importance of investing in a defensive pass rush... He'll get a free pass from the local, suppressed press (in denial), but letting Hendrickson walk does seem counterproductive, even if he was likely unaffordable... Twitter bobdog86 and Boston Saint like this.
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10-23-2021, 06:27 PM	#44
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: DE cameron Jordan not as effective as he once was ? Originally Posted by jeanpierre True, but the elephant in the room is Cam's being paid to not only apply pressure, disrupt, but get the QB on the ground - and that salary cap return isn't happening... Reality is Cam's 32yo, and the decline in his play from elite to very good has a lot to do with his age... Sean and Mickey need to be paying for current production (Ramczyk, Lattimore), not past production (Cam Jordan)... Maybe he'll be willing to rework his contract. Other players have done that. I wonder if he values the community and team over money? My money says yes.

10-23-2021, 08:32 PM	#45
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10-23-2021, 08:56 PM	#46
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: DE cameron Jordan not as effective as he once was ? Originally Posted by Boston Saint The Davenport pick/investment has been a huge disappointment that has crippled the team. Much, MUCH worse pick than Peat. Yet Peat gets all the criticism and Davenport gets a pass. Screw that ! Davenport is so good though and that’s what makes it hurt even more that he can’t stay healthy. When he plays he gives us these awesome glimpses of the incredible talent he has and then he’s gone. turbo_dog and SmashMouth like this.

10-23-2021, 09:02 PM	#47
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: DE cameron Jordan not as effective as he once was ? Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Davenport is so good though and that’s what makes it hurt even more that he can’t stay healthy. When he plays he gives us these awesome glimpses of the incredible talent he has and then he’s gone. That’s really kind of a myth though Chris. If you compare his per game production stats it’s worse than Trey Hendrickson in just about every category. It’s just not true that he’s worthy of this type of praise.

10-23-2021, 11:05 PM	#48
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,258 Blog Entries: 1	Re: DE cameron Jordan not as effective as he once was ? I'll shoot you guys straight. Talk like this is similar to the last couple of years with Brees. It's not fun for me to discuss but it is inevitable. Cam has been the ultimate player and teammate. SmashMouth likes this.

10-24-2021, 09:19 AM	#49
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,095	Re: DE cameron Jordan not as effective as he once was ? Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Davenport is so good though and that’s what makes it hurt even more that he can’t stay healthy. When he plays he gives us these awesome glimpses of the incredible talent he has and then he’s gone. His play time has been as elusive as Bigfoot... Boston Saint likes this.

11-01-2021, 09:57 AM	#50
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: DE cameron Jordan not as effective as he once was ? Bump ... Sacks in back-to-back games for Cam. He's only going to improve with a pied off David O & Davenport on the Dline. Tanoh K(2 tackles/1 sack) continues to play well. Atlanta O-line is struggling right now. Expect these guys to get in on Matty Ice this Sunday. Dome Sweet Dome**.

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