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WR's & TE's are more likely to have an effect on the success of the QB and the offense as a whole 5 29.41%
QB is more likely to have an effect on the success of the WR's & TE's 12 70.59%
Neither group has much effect upon the success of the other 0 0%
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Saints WR's and TE's versus Saints QB's

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; You have options for a, b, and neither but you are missing the option for both. I feel that both have major effects on the other. I dont think any offense can be successful with horrible receivers or with a ...

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Old 11-17-2021, 10:38 PM   #11
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Re: Saints WR's and TE's versus Saints QB's

You have options for a, b, and neither but you are missing the option for both. I feel that both have major effects on the other. I dont think any offense can be successful with horrible receivers or with a horrible qb. I think our receivers are more horrible than our qb but thats just us. Want to see a great qb with horrible receivers, look at the 2019 patriots, very mediocre offense and made the qb look done. Brady goes to tampa and gets good receivers suddenly he is good again. But visa versa take Indy the year Manning got hurt and their horrible backup qb played. The receivers were fine but the offense was not good. Both effect eachother a lot, equally. If Brees was still here and a few years younger, we would look like the 2019 patriots offense. If we had Michael Thomas with Trevor Semian throwing to him, we would look like Trevor Semian with the Broncos who had some decent receivers I believe but was mediocre. If we brought back Tom Savage who is worse than Semian and Hill, but equal to our receivers, we would have the worst passing offense in modern nfl history.
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Old 11-18-2021, 09:10 AM   #12
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Re: Saints WR's and TE's versus Saints QB's

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You have options for a, b, and neither but you are missing the option for both. I feel that both have major effects on the other. I dont think any offense can be successful with horrible receivers or with a horrible qb. I think our receivers are more horrible than our qb but thats just us. Want to see a great qb with horrible receivers, look at the 2019 patriots, very mediocre offense and made the qb look done. Brady goes to tampa and gets good receivers suddenly he is good again. But visa versa take Indy the year Manning got hurt and their horrible backup qb played. The receivers were fine but the offense was not good. Both effect eachother a lot, equally. If Brees was still here and a few years younger, we would look like the 2019 patriots offense. If we had Michael Thomas with Trevor Semian throwing to him, we would look like Trevor Semian with the Broncos who had some decent receivers I believe but was mediocre. If we brought back Tom Savage who is worse than Semian and Hill, but equal to our receivers, we would have the worst passing offense in modern nfl history.
Read carefully. Of course both have an impact on the other. The whole question is which is MORE LIKELY to have an impact (negative or positive) on the other.
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Old 11-18-2021, 09:47 AM   #13
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Re: Saints WR's and TE's versus Saints QB's

Wow! You think the QB's aren't having an effect on the pass catchers? Check this out from Jeff Duncan. Only one team this year in the NFL has a lower catchable pass rate than the Saints!

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If any one of the QBs on this roster would match the intensity of effort Brees put into preparation, we're not having a conversation about how good/bad WRs and TEs are...
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Old 11-18-2021, 11:33 AM   #15
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Re: Saints WR's and TE's versus Saints QB's

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido View Post
Wow! You think the QB's aren't having an effect on the pass catchers? Check this out from Jeff Duncan. Only one team this year in the NFL has a lower catchable pass rate than the Saints!

https://twitter.com/JeffDuncan_/stat...30741443317762
So which one is correct then, because the other stat from twitter that was posted yesterday says Siemian has the 4th best catchable pass rate in the NFL.
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Old 11-18-2021, 12:06 PM   #16
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So which one is correct then, because the other stat from twitter that was posted yesterday says Siemian has the 4th best catchable pass rate in the NFL.
Got me. Holder got his numbers from Sport Info Solutions and Duncan got his from SportsRadar. Holder's was for Siemian only, while Duncan's was for the entire 2021 season.
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Old 11-18-2021, 01:06 PM   #17
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I don't think Siemian has played that bad. In fact, I've been pleasantly surprised at some of his throws. You can't have a game where receivers drop eight passes and expect to have a lot of offensive success. My one criticism for him is holding the ball too long and taking sacks.
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Re: Saints WR's and TE's versus Saints QB's

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I don't think Siemian has played that bad. In fact, I've been pleasantly surprised at some of his throws. You can't have a game where receivers drop eight passes and expect to have a lot of offensive success. My one criticism for him is holding the ball too long and taking sacks.
Drew made his above average receivers look good. Siemian has put the ball in his receivers hands but they aren't catching most of them. Could Drew do more with these receivers? Yes, but probably not that much better. I miss stickum'!!!

Option B is easily my choice.
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Old 11-18-2021, 03:34 PM   #19
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Re: Saints WR's and TE's versus Saints QB's

Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
If any one of the QBs on this roster would match the intensity of effort Brees put into preparation, we're not having a conversation about how good/bad WRs and TEs are...
Yes we are. We still are talking about dropped passes. We still are talking about penalties. We still are talking about fumbles. We still are talking about poor rout running and separation. Not to mention bad kicking and defensive letdowns. None of that has anything to do with a QBs preparation intensity.
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If any one of the QBs on this roster would match the intensity of effort Brees put into preparation, we're not having a conversation about how good/bad WRs and TEs are...




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