Saints WR's and TE's versus Saints QB's

turbo_dog · 11-18-2021, 12:06 PM

I don't think Siemian has played that bad. In fact, I've been pleasantly surprised at some of his throws. You can't have a game where receivers drop eight passes and expect to have a lot of offensive success. My one criticism for him is holding the ball too long and taking sacks.

Rugby Saint II · 11-18-2021, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by turbo_dog

I don't think Siemian has played that bad. In fact, I've been pleasantly surprised at some of his throws. You can't have a game where receivers drop eight passes and expect to have a lot of offensive success. My one criticism for him is holding the ball too long and taking sacks.

Drew made his above average receivers look good. Siemian has put the ball in his receivers hands but they aren't catching most of them. Could Drew do more with these receivers? Yes, but probably not that much better. I miss stickum'!!!

Option B is easily my choice.

Cruize · 11-20-2021, 01:48 PM

Brees made a lot of average guys look good. The problem is the Saints have backup talent at all of the positions mentioned.

Rugby Saint II · 11-20-2021, 01:49 PM

For goodness sake ya'll. It's not rocket science. No one will catch a ball if no one throws it. Especially if they're crappy receivers. Notice that I did not say scrappy!

neugey · 11-20-2021, 06:16 PM

Our next tight end? That size and athleticism! Kern got horse collared and it barely phased him! If he can block - and at this size, why couldn't he - hmmm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oFLNp4jDkg

Boston Saint · 11-20-2021, 06:38 PM

With the way the question is worded It’s hard to answer with one of the options. Teams have won and lost with great and subpar talent at all positions. Since most plays theoretically start with the QB getting the ball it seems logical to say he is the most important in the dynamic. Yet look back at Brees and his stats. Obviously he was a once in a lifetime talent when it comes to accuracy, but he was super accurate in percentage completion when he threw to Michael Thomas. much higher than he was to others receivers. This shows it’s a two-way street.

AsylumGuido · 11-20-2021, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

With the way the question is worded It’s hard to answer with one of the options. Teams have won and lost with great and subpar talent at all positions. Since most plays theoretically start with the QB getting the ball it seems logical to say he is the most important in the dynamic. Yet look back at Brees and his stats. Obviously he was a once in a lifetime talent when it comes to accuracy, but he was super accurate in percentage completion when he threw to Michael Thomas. much higher than he was to others receivers. This shows it’s a two-way street.

Geez. How much more simple can it be? There's no absolute answer. The question asks your opinion.

Which is MORE LIKELY to affect the success of the other in general. That's it. Easy peasy.

Come on, Boston. You can handle it. There's no wrong answer.

Boston Saint · 11-20-2021, 06:49 PM

Since a QB handles the ball most every offensive play I’d say the QB is more impactful to a team.

AsylumGuido · 11-20-2021, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Since a QB handles the ball most every offensive play I’d say the QB is more impactful to a team.

Of course QB's more impactful to the team, but more impactful to the success, good or bad, to the WR's, than the WR's are impactful to the success of the QB, good or bad? That is the crux of the question.

Boston Saint · 11-20-2021, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Of course QB's more impactful to the team, but more impactful to the success, good or bad, to the WR's, than the WR's are impactful to the success of the QB, good or bad? That is the crux of the question.

It’s one guy throwing and up to 5 guys receiving on any play. Obviously the QB has to handle the snap and throw at least a catchable ball. So he is more likely to dictate success.

View Poll Results: Which of the following do you feel is more true?
WR's & TE's are more likely to have an effect on the success of the QB and the offense as a whole	5	29.41%
QB is more likely to have an effect on the success of the WR's & TE's	12	70.59%
Neither group has much effect upon the success of the other	0	0%
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11-18-2021, 12:06 PM	#1
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,708	Re: Saints WR's and TE's versus Saints QB's I don't think Siemian has played that bad. In fact, I've been pleasantly surprised at some of his throws. You can't have a game where receivers drop eight passes and expect to have a lot of offensive success. My one criticism for him is holding the ball too long and taking sacks. jnormand and Rugby Saint II like this.

11-18-2021, 02:12 PM	#2
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,179	Re: Saints WR's and TE's versus Saints QB's Originally Posted by turbo_dog I don't think Siemian has played that bad. In fact, I've been pleasantly surprised at some of his throws. You can't have a game where receivers drop eight passes and expect to have a lot of offensive success. My one criticism for him is holding the ball too long and taking sacks. Drew made his above average receivers look good. Siemian has put the ball in his receivers hands but they aren't catching most of them. Could Drew do more with these receivers? Yes, but probably not that much better. I miss stickum'!!! Option B is easily my choice. jnormand likes this.

11-20-2021, 01:48 PM	#3
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,467	Re: Saints WR's and TE's versus Saints QB's Brees made a lot of average guys look good. The problem is the Saints have backup talent at all of the positions mentioned.
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11-20-2021, 01:49 PM	#4
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,179	Re: Saints WR's and TE's versus Saints QB's For goodness sake ya'll. It's not rocket science. No one will catch a ball if no one throws it. Especially if they're crappy receivers. Notice that I did not say scrappy! Boston Saint likes this.

11-20-2021, 06:38 PM	#6
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints WR's and TE's versus Saints QB's With the way the question is worded It’s hard to answer with one of the options. Teams have won and lost with great and subpar talent at all positions. Since most plays theoretically start with the QB getting the ball it seems logical to say he is the most important in the dynamic. Yet look back at Brees and his stats. Obviously he was a once in a lifetime talent when it comes to accuracy, but he was super accurate in percentage completion when he threw to Michael Thomas. much higher than he was to others receivers. This shows it’s a two-way street. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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11-20-2021, 06:45 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,701	Re: Saints WR's and TE's versus Saints QB's Originally Posted by Boston Saint With the way the question is worded It’s hard to answer with one of the options. Teams have won and lost with great and subpar talent at all positions. Since most plays theoretically start with the QB getting the ball it seems logical to say he is the most important in the dynamic. Yet look back at Brees and his stats. Obviously he was a once in a lifetime talent when it comes to accuracy, but he was super accurate in percentage completion when he threw to Michael Thomas. much higher than he was to others receivers. This shows it’s a two-way street. Geez. How much more simple can it be? There's no absolute answer. The question asks your opinion. Which is MORE LIKELY to affect the success of the other in general. That's it. Easy peasy. Come on, Boston. You can handle it. There's no wrong answer.

11-20-2021, 06:49 PM	#8
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints WR's and TE's versus Saints QB's Since a QB handles the ball most every offensive play I’d say the QB is more impactful to a team.

11-20-2021, 07:01 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,701	Re: Saints WR's and TE's versus Saints QB's Originally Posted by Boston Saint Since a QB handles the ball most every offensive play I’d say the QB is more impactful to a team. Of course QB's more impactful to the team, but more impactful to the success, good or bad, to the WR's, than the WR's are impactful to the success of the QB, good or bad? That is the crux of the question.

11-20-2021, 07:31 PM	#10
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints WR's and TE's versus Saints QB's Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Of course QB's more impactful to the team, but more impactful to the success, good or bad, to the WR's, than the WR's are impactful to the success of the QB, good or bad? That is the crux of the question. It’s one guy throwing and up to 5 guys receiving on any play. Obviously the QB has to handle the snap and throw at least a catchable ball. So he is more likely to dictate success. AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.